More DEFO in 2010?

[missingblade]

Have it from good source that the new 777's will be crewed with more DEFO's on bases in North America this year.....

Off now to ask my local SO what he thinks:ouch:

[Swine Facipic]

What about around 43 Cadets who are already done with their training and are almost done with their 777-300 ER Endo. will they get a shot a SO the new birds ?? and what about existing SO's who are close to promotion.

[crwjerk]

And the 50 or so Airbus F/o's swapping fleets.........

[FIRESYSOK]

This rumour surfaces on the frequency of about 2-6 weeks. Be sure to tune in again! In the mean time, you may be better served tuning in to the Lincolnshire Poacher.

[yokebearer]

These are the frequencies for Mondays -

MONDAY
1400 10426//12603//14487
1500 11545//13375//12603 or 15682
2000 11545//??//??

Now I have been trying for a while with the HF set on long boring night flights but it seems the Lincolnshire boys are off the air. Must be that England can't afford any more spies.....

Cathay however can much easier afford FO's on bases than SO's in HKG !

[GTC58]

Missingblade

If there is really DEFO hiring in 2010 as you say, I doubt it will be on the B777. If there is DEFO hiring at all, which I doubt, it will be on the B744 Freighter as most North American B744 FO's signed over to COS08 and B777 conversions have to be offered on bases first to the remaining B744 FO's as per contract and in seniority. Any additional B777 positions should be offered in a basing bid before crewed by DEFO.

[Donkey Duke]

Have most of the US and Canadain 74F FOs converted over to the 777 already? How long will CPA keep the 74F operation? What is the incentive for US based 74F FOs to move to the 777? Cheers!

[flynhigh]

Not true....just talked to HR 2 days ago....NO DEFO until 2012.

[MilPilot]

With the current business plan, no DE hiring until 2012 is also what I heard about a month ago.
BUT, if traffic picks back up at the rate it did in November I am positive they will change the business plan for the better :ok:

[GTC58]

Donkey Duke

Lots of based North American FO's still flying the B744. Someone has to fly the freighter and SFO is still B744 pax. No end in sight for the B744 freighter operation. The ordered -8 freighters are coming by the end of this and beginning of next year.

Incentive to fly the B777 - a stable roster.

[airplaneridesrfun]

...and the most important reason no DEFO's will be hired is that they will have a ton of SO's on BPP that they may as well upgrade, since they will be paid as FO's anyway. There will need to be plenty of of pilots on the 744 with the influx of new -8's in 2011 - no need to convert too many NA 744 drivers.

[GTC58]

Actually the -8 is replacing the BCF's and will probably not stop in ANC anymore. So it seems with the -8 coming there is less B744 pilots required. Even the ERF has now already scheduled LAX-HKG pairings. Plus as it stands at the moment most B744 pax will be replaced by the B777 in the coming 4 years. If CX doesn't order the -8 Intercontinental the B744 fleet will be freighter only by around 2015. It is starting this year with removing 5 B744 Pax. 2 to the desert, 2 cut-up (airframe timed out) and 1 returning to the lessor.

Any NA B777 FO vacancies on a base will be offered in seniority to the B744 FOs, including B744 Freighter FO's on COS08, on that particular base first as per new agreement.

[uspilot]

Can someone answer this for me as I don't understand.
If CX is trying to save money, than why did they change the retirement age from 55 to 65. Why didn't wait until the A scale guys retire than change the age. One other thing they can do is offer what KAL offer Home base roster, where they give you 12 days OFF a month and fly you from home to your base, that way they can save money in housing and allowe people who dont want to be in HKG to go back home. Again guys I dont work for CX and don't have the big picture.

[pill]

The clowns who hangaround after 55 don't get A scales. They have decided that there services are worth less, hence the "clowns" bit.

[Cavallier]

GTC58

Are you sure about the ERF LAX-HKG scheduled pairings? I haven't seen any around and I thought that the only time they bypassed ANC was when Mt Redoubt errupted last year.

The Cav:cool:

[Air Profit]

"The clowns who hangaround after 55 don't get A scales. They have decided that there services are worth less, hence the "clowns" bit. "

...uh, you mean like YOU signing up for B scale (or C or D...)...? How's your clown suit fit..? :ok:

[Captain Dart]

Yeahhh, Pill. And what scale did YOU join on? :hmm:. For sixteen years I have been watching new pilots joining on reduced salaries to mine (and some of them putting their hands up for training and checking).

Your nom de guerre is appropriate, and why don't you learn the difference between 'there' and 'their'?

[GTC58]

Cavallier

087 shows now LAX - HKG on the rosters since December.

[sizematters]

what 'ollox 087 goes HKG-ANC-DFW-LAX-ANC-HKG


why rely on the truth when you can make up stuff !!!

[GTC58]

Sizematters

maybe you get the facts straight. Go to the master roster search for 087 and then check for yourself. Some of the Monday 087 LAX YVR ANC HKG are now replaced by LAX HKG direct. To make it easy for you check the 11., 18. and/or 25. January.

[Cider30]

check cargo staff link under departments on intracx. then click Freighter schedule; changes to schedule. Word document. 087 will operate LAX-HKG from December and 091 will operate DFW-ATL-YVR-HKG.

Cheers,
Cider30

[betpump5]

No DE-anything until 2012 at the very least.

Unless CX want every 4th year SO and 2nd year JFO expecting upgrades to walk out.

[Sqwak7700]

No DE-anything until 2012 at the very least.

Unless CX want every 4th year SO and 2nd year JFO expecting upgrades to walk out.

We are of course talking about the same SOs and JFOs who chose to take SLS to "help" the same company that turned around and but-raped them? Yeah, that'll happen... :rolleyes:

Fat chance they will walk off the job when they can't even say no to voluntary programs. :hmm:

If Cathay wants to hire DEFOs this year, next month, or tomorrow, they will. Although I doubt we will see this in a large scale until the appeal case is heard.

Those of you thinking that they wont hire until 2012, only if they park more planes. Most people are working their asses off and they are still accepting 777s and soon 748s. Unless they plan on cancelling leave, they will need to do something to crew these planes.

[CYRILJGROOVE]

The clowns who hangaround after 55 don't get A scales. They have decided that their services are worth less, hence the "clowns" bit.I think you will find it is the company who decided that they were going to age discriminate and not continue to pay A scales. However that is all about to go to court in Canada when the first COS 08 crew turns 55 very soon.

The company must know they are going to lose this case as well, that is why the DFO has done a side deal with a half dozen Canadians extending A scales and jettisoning the 4.5 year limit that applies to everyone else creating a COS08+ contract to add to the number of contracts.

[Cavallier]

CIDER 30 / GTC 58

Thanks guys seems like an intersting trip, not that I see anything but HKG-DAC-HAN-HKG.


The Cav:cool:

[NoseGear]

We are of course talking about the same SOs and JFOs who chose to take SLS to "help" the same company that turned around and but-raped them? Yeah, that'll happen...

Yes Sqwak, we are....the same SO group who took the first legal action against the company for the continued violations to OUR COS.....what were you doing? Oh yeah, you didnt take SLS....good for you, your a legend...but you already know that don't you mate....:rolleyes::yuk:

Jeez...raven11...so sorry, the first SO group....:rolleyes:Why are we always fighting each other.....:ugh::confused:

[raven11]

Oh Please Nosegear!

Where have you been these past 15 years?

We've been in court since 93.
Continuously since the infamous "your contract
is binding in honour only ruling".

[Sqwak7700]

the same SO group who took the first legal action against the company for the continued violations to OUR COS

Pretty sure the one SO who's name is on the SO bypass-pay lawsuit did not take SLS. When you say "we are", is your name on that law suit? :hmm:

[NoseGear]

It's a much, much shorter list those SOs who aren't involved in the lawsuit...:ok::D;)

[Eyes only]

While they may not be looking at additional DEFOs recruiting until 2012, they presently think they have about 80 DEFOs in their pool from the 2007/2008 recruiting drive. Those DEFOs had been sent letters saying they were successful, however they were not given a start date.

How many of those would still come to CX if they gave them a start date is anyone’s guess.

Would the AOA let them employ more DEFOs without first determining the suitability of the existing SO pool (assessments stopped in 2007) is also another matter? I would see a clear case for an injunction preventing CX from employing DEFOs until all SO have been assessed, as that is what was found in the LT ruling, awaiting the appeal next month.

CX has artificially been creating demand for DEFOs by either limiting and/or not conducting SO assessments.

[juliet]

Remember its not just DEFOs in the hold pool, there are plenty of DESOs as well. It seems though that Cadets are the way ahead.

[MilPilot]

There is still hope :ok:

Cathay Pacific releases combined traffic figures for December 2009 (http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_INTL/aboutus/pressroomdetails?refID=dd8c0005c5026210VgnVCM62000007d21c39_ ___)

[uspilot]

Thats great news for CX...but I also think they just learned they can run the airline with less staff and see bigger and better profits for themself. The down side is the crew will work harder and less days OFF to cover the open flying.