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Aviaservice
19th Dec 2009, 20:40
Hello!
Rumours walks among Russian pilots that Russian Authorities might permit to foreign pilots to work for russian air companies.
Would you consider offer from Russian air company?
For example captain's salary who fly on A320 for Aeroflot about 4000 EUR.

It's just a polling.

P.S. Sorry for English

ROSCO328
19th Dec 2009, 21:04
Only as a last resort :O

P.S your English is very good

Checkboard
19th Dec 2009, 21:56
captain's salary who fly on A320 for Aeroflot about 4000 EUR.
Per week or per month? :hmm:

DA50driver
19th Dec 2009, 22:09
I don't think you will get many westerners, but you may get some from Asia and Eastern Europe for those wages.

NXLHS
20th Dec 2009, 04:28
It all comes down to what kind of packages would eventually be on offer. Anyone with a minimum amount of info on the day-to-day life in Russia knows that things are extremely difficult .Very high cost of living,crime rates,and the reduced number of Russian citizens with moderate English knowledge in the main cities would discourage many to make the move,however people did move to the Sandpit(the closest to hell on earth) in search of good packages, so anything is possible.

concordino
20th Dec 2009, 07:41
NXLHS,

No pun intended but you will find that Moscow is closer to Hell than the sandpit in general. :}

Aviaservice
20th Dec 2009, 10:07
4000 EUR per month, but Aeroflot isn't high-paying company. There are companies which offer better salary in Russia but I don't think that it's exceed 6000 EUR per month.

finncapt
20th Dec 2009, 10:27
Concordino

Don't be rotten it is nice to live here, or did you mean Hell down the road from Trondheim airport?

747JJ
20th Dec 2009, 10:29
Yes I would consider working in Russia. But not for that salary. I worked in many of the CIS countries before and was based in UKBB for a good 10 months so I am familiar with the shortcomings as well as advantages.

Stratobus
20th Dec 2009, 11:00
A320 Captain in Athens, basic 3300 Euros, plus 90 Euros per fly day, so is not bad, here does not matter if company pay agency more for foreign pilot, company can get credit from government..eventually

concordino
20th Dec 2009, 11:50
finncapt,

Last time i checked, Trondheim was in Norway. How does that relate to Moskva ? or for that matter Finland where you seem to be ? :rolleyes:

ab33t
20th Dec 2009, 14:49
Im pretty sure in the current climate there may be willing persons until the economy turns , then you will see a mass exodus

bear11
21st Dec 2009, 09:28
My understanding was that they would allow pilots from the former Soviet Union in first, and see how well that goes - I presume the Air Law exam is in Russian, it still is in some of the former countries. I'm sure there are former B737 pilots of FlyLAL / Centralwings / CSA / Malev etc that would be happy to go there for a while; work is work.

The macho "they'll have to pay far more" type answer is not for the current economic circumstances - as DA50driver says, the next port of call would be Asian pilots. 4,000 Euro is more than 5k USD that some Indonesian airlines are paying to expat Captains currently.

747JJ
21st Dec 2009, 19:31
No macho attitude rather a view based on first hand experience. Having worked in the area, 4000 eur is not much if thats all one gets and is expected to pay accomodation and travel, again all depends on the package on offer. Naturally if one has no job, a badly paid one is better than no job at all. As I have a job that pays more, well nuf said...

Indonesia is hardly comparable for the cost of living in CIS countries is extremely high if one wants to maintain Western standards and Indonesia is very affordable to live and work, yes have been there too.

DeltaT
21st Dec 2009, 20:10
Given the way things are out there in the world job market right now I agree with a former post, you will get some interest however if the terms of employment are not up to scratch then as soon as things come right watch everyone leave! I am sure a deal could be sweetened with accommodation paid for, transport etc.
If you hire type rated experienced guys, then not much of a bond, little training expense, everyone is happy short term until the next upswing in the market.
All the lower houred guys might be keen, but then you have training to worry about.
If the Russians create barriers such as language etc then you are only going to make it harder to recruit.
Me personally I wouldn't mind going to Russia I think I would rather go there and see the place than the Middle East.

captjns
21st Dec 2009, 22:02
When the rumors become fact, then the issue can be addressed appropriately. Flown out of worse places and better places... but then again, one may not be home where they are accustomed to their creature comforts.

ABO944
22nd Dec 2009, 11:59
You wouldn't get me taking up the offer .... currently flying with pilots of the "eastern pursuasion" and it's not much fun. The language barrier isn't the only problem.

captjns
22nd Dec 2009, 13:13
You wouldn't get me taking up the offer .... currently flying with pilots of the "eastern pursuasion" and it's not much fun. The language barrier isn't the only problem.

Depends what seat you're in. Left seat no problemo... right seat, sometimes you're along for the ride.

ABO944
23rd Dec 2009, 19:19
Both seats! But it's single pilot in either!

Then again, this is just my experience from my company and to be honest it does contain the bottom feeding scum sucking pilots that no one else would have (obviously not including me :} )

Kirks gusset
24th Dec 2009, 22:59
Well, we see the Ukraine crews at OAA and to be honest, apart form the language, they can cut it, and in many cases their sim work is to a very high standard. As for the wages.. get real, the Captains can earn 14K US a month.

Coppi
25th Dec 2009, 09:03
Forgive my ignorance, which company is OAA?

747JJ
25th Dec 2009, 11:10
OAA = Oxford Aviation Academy

Some are good some are bad. There seems to be no average operator, the guys I flew with (As Capt) where either extremely sharp or so bad that it made me think if one can buy a licence or obtain it from a box of cornflakes?

One common denominator is the huge cultural divide between Westeners and people CIS countries and the very basic command of English language. My better half being Ukrainian I am dealing with this daily. However in the Cockpit and cabin alike this means more often than not, misunderstandings and conflicts resulting from the above.

Another problem is the Soviet style system where you need to have a millions of papers and stamps to operate an aircraft. The whole CAA structure run by old Aeroflot muppets will not change, though it needs to, until the last of the old school have gone.

AlvinZane
25th Dec 2009, 16:14
Been there, done that...
One of the most enjoyable contracts I have had. The biggest challenge was the language barrier and basic conceptual communication. At first I was ready to pull my hair out. Coming from an air carrier that was known for it's Hitler mentality, it took a while to lighten up and try to approach the root of the issue.

Along with the automated technological issues such no computer projected flight planning or reporting. Everything was back to the basics and completed by the F/O before door closure. WX and other environmental reports could be 48 hours old and of no use. I remember being stuck in another country because the dispatch people back home did not understand why I needed some confusing info such as a take-off alternate. It was CATII/III there when we wanted to depart. We took a six hour delay before the issue was resolved, then the fog had cleared.

MX personnel were quicker to sign of the log, rather than fix the problem.
Some would actual call the interpreter to understand what the write up meant.

Once I learned to lighten up and work with the issue, instead of screaming my bloody head off, life became enjoyable and I saw progress.

I really enjoyed it there, at times think about going back. Accommodations were good, salary was never less than 6500 euro's a month and the food was fantastic. Biggest issue in Russia right now is the old guys and gals converting to today's international World of Aviation. The guys and gals that don't need CRM get hammered with it and the ones that need it never have an fricken clue about what it is. Once that generation goes away, Russian aviation will accelerate at a marvelous rate.

Microburst2002
26th Dec 2009, 07:43
This is the second post regarding russia and pilots.

Don't you realise that if Russia opens to foreign pilots, our countries will accordingly open to Russian pilots??????

IF SO, WE ARE FU*KED, FUC*ED, AND F*CKED

:{

act700
26th Dec 2009, 08:37
Paranoia..........will destroy ya..........

Lighten up Microburst.

Whatever happened to hiring based on experience and qualification? Oh, right.......

I'd rather fly in the back with a drunk russian who's got stick and rudder skills than with our 250 hour wonders who are clueless when the "operating system" takes a dump!

Aviaservice
26th Dec 2009, 11:22
Take it easy guys! I've asked about other thing! See the first post!

Aviaservice
26th Dec 2009, 11:36
If Russians wanted to work for foreign companies they would do it. Russians love Russia despite the problems which we have!
:} ;)

Microburst2002
30th Dec 2009, 20:41
I am sure you all do love mother Russia.

But it is human nature to look for better salaries. Same as many americans and europeans go to the Middle East bacause they pay better and tax free, Many russians would come to Europe. Not only O'leary would love that, but any other airline, because pilot salaries would be halved in no time.

Paranoia?
I don't think so
Fear
Certainly.

Aviaservice
31st Dec 2009, 20:05
Happy new year!

747JJ
31st Dec 2009, 21:22
С новым годом:} Наслаждайся Санкт-Петербургом

varigflier
31st Dec 2009, 21:34
I would go if the package included a Russian wife:)
Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

VF

dessas
1st Jan 2010, 13:35
U must be a sorry 5 foot fat ugly piece of s--t.
Or else you wouldn't be after a Russian wife as contract benefit with all those free ones about?!
What if they give you a nasty big бабушка?
:):):)
:ok:

747JJ
1st Jan 2010, 13:48
Dessas. You must be kidding right := Per capita I would say that Ukraine and Russia have more good looking women around than most of the European countries. One could find a Babushka with a beard and 200kg of "Insulation" but why settle for that?:}

Capetonian
1st Jan 2010, 13:57
Per capita I would say that Ukraine and Russia have more good looking women around than most of the European countries.

Many are are good looking until they reach the age of about 30, or find a husband, whichever happens first, then they tend to start to go off in a big way. I'm not sure about Ukraine though, I spent 3 weeks in Kiev once and didn't see anything that I would consider less than a 5 bottle of wine handicap, although on a weekend in Odessa I have to admit the standard was higher.


How to spot a millionaire :
http://www.sharechat.co.za/index.php/fa/1224/0/

747JJ
1st Jan 2010, 14:04
To pick a woman, check what her mother looks like. Chances are that if she is a porker your dream girl will look about the same in due time :eek:

varigflier
1st Jan 2010, 14:11
Dessas, you can always get a new one so why worry about it?
Thanks 747JJ!!

VF

Aviaservice
5th Jan 2010, 10:24
One day I was looking PLAYBOY and I saw there very nice stewardesses from Varig! We're ready to exchange! ;)

lpokijuhyt
5th Jan 2010, 10:38
They're still commies

Aviaservice
5th Jan 2010, 10:49
what are you talking about?

act700
5th Jan 2010, 13:07
Aviaservice,

I wouldn't put too much into what that cat (lpokijuhyt) is saying/writing!

Judging by a couple of his/her comments on a couple of other threads, we're dealing with a complete tool!

747JJ
5th Jan 2010, 14:27
Yes Aviaservice, just ingnore that fool. I would like lpokijuhyt to say that face to face to people. Anonymity is the only way some muppets can leave the confines of their psychward.

Sassy91
27th Aug 2010, 09:01
well its almost been a year on and still require citizenship to work in russia. doesn't look like its going to change.
Finishing my training in NZ right now, hopefully be able to get a job with SU after I move back and do my one year national service..

Aviator-r-r
29th Aug 2010, 10:07
In my opinion, times when Russia is open for expat pilots are yet long to come. Major carriers are looking for type experienced cpt and f/o but they are not desperate. There are yet lots of low experience and ex-military to be trained. Russian aviation market has yet plenty room to expand. I wouldn't be surprised so to see many expats here in the future. No doubts when western pilots are needed in RUS they will be offered competitive packages. When the times come we will be only happy to share a cockpit with other professionals.
It was funny to read some posts in this thread. Guys you must come to Russia and see with your own eyes it's different place you read about in Cold War propaganda.

gone till november
30th Aug 2010, 16:20
I would rather eat a rancid turd out of a tramps arse than work in russia.

You've only got to work out of UUWW to see the russian mentality:eek:

Capetonian is right. Lots of lovely Young women but never seen a MILF or GILF:confused: