SA CAA Air Law and Procedures Exam

[ONEIN60]

I need to write the Air Law and Procedures exam to revalidate my licence. Is there anyone who has written recently and would be kind enough to offer some advice please, with respect to which notes are the best and types of questions asked. Thanks, much appreciated.

[Der absolute Hammer]

Within the last two years or less.

Babcock. FAGC.
FTS. FAGC.
Aeronav. FALA.

All produce their own notes for thte Air Law and Procedures examination.
The exams are computer generated and you know your result at once.
All the sets of notes have their own questions in them and you need to know the answers to as many as possible even if some of them do not make sense.
I was only given two chances at the exam by the Director so i got all three sets of notes and swotted all of them. On balance I think that the questions are more important than the notes. I think the preference order for me on that was.
FTS.
Aeronav.
Babcock.
I cannot remember how much the notes cost but there are are two or three books in each set and I seem to rmemeber that its close to a grand a set. Aeronav might be able to arrange a little private tutorial for you. That;s a good idea if you have any matters of principle on which you are stuck.
It is a very far cry from the old law exam which you might have written years ago. They do like having you go round the hold at Phalabora working out at what level you can reneter the pattern after a go round.
Hope that helps. You can Google the schoools of course and I am sure they'll Postnet the manuals to you for a vast cost-especially if that Dunmow is in Essex.

[birrddog]

I had to renew earlier this year and reviewed the Red SA Air Law book that I picked up at the FBO where I did my renewal.

The test was straightforward and I did not feel I needed anything more than the Air Law booklet.

Edited to add:
If it is just private you are looking for, the book is
South African Air Law for Private Pilots - Lilith A Seals

The link below also has another book Air Law for South African Pilots.

Both ~ ZAR 150.

http://www.cometaviationsupplies.co.za (http://www.cometaviationsupplies.co.za/products.asp?cat=Books,%20Magazines,%20Videos%20and%20Softwa re&fromPage=sub3Category&subCat=Training%20Books%20and%20Guides&sub2=%20South%20African%20Training&Db=2)

[Der absolute Hammer]

Is that the olde Lilith who was the first female simulator instructor for SAA? Then the book should be quite good.

[birrddog]

DAH, can't say; never had the pleasure of being in a stimulator with any Lilith...;)

Though the book was an easy read.... even I could make my way through it!

[ONEIN60]

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated and a great help.

[Der absolute Hammer]

Nice of you to thank us.
If you're in Dunmow Essex, I will be north of you in ten days. I could see what I have in the way of commercial course notes stashed away in the UK and call you.

[ONEIN60]

Thanks Hammer. Please see PM.

[Der absolute Hammer]

Done and replied. Good luck.

[EladElap]

Der absolute Hammer, the book is indeed written by Lilith Seales (ex SAA sim instructor) it is a very well put together book and sits in my flight bag permanently. Incidentally she did my Comm and Instructors flight tests, wow she is a heck of a knowledgeable person! She is possibly the most qualified and knowledgeable air law specialist in the country.

[Der absolute Hammer]

Could well be - most certainly not someone to be under estimated.
It was a long time ago when she achieved that first feminine flag waving goal. Those were the days when Grand Central Flight School had gone from Scully L and his great guy father Harold, to an Avex institution and the tower was a tin hut out on the apron. The two guys who ran that operation have gone into the mists of time. DW went to Canada eventually? RW, I do not know- good guys.

[Cardinal Puff]

RW haunts a site called Avcom as a mod. Picky bugger. Likes deleting posts....:}

[Der absolute Hammer]

Well well, thanks for that. he was always of the selective mind - and that is meant nicely.

[Desperate Wannabe]

Yes, uncle Ray can on occasion be found sinking the odd cold one at the Harvard cafe or at TAC at Rand airport.
Good man that. :ok::ok:

[Der absolute Hammer]

Well, the TAC used to be members only and the Harvard cafe used to be owned by...Manny?
But this becomes thread drift of the major proportion even if it has the ATC content.

[Bosotter]

Recently had to rewrite (lost my focus a bit...) and all I can say is, it felt the same as when I initially wrote 10 years ago!!!
Used Avex notes, compared it afterwards with Babcock notes... no real difference.

Study hard!!!

Good luck!!!

[Carrier]

Quote: "I need to write the Air Law and Procedures exam to revalidate my licence."

Several posters including the first seem to be rewriting this examination in order to revalidate a licence. Why? I am assuming they are not having to rewrite because they failed the exam but for some other reason.

Is this Air Law and Procedures examination valid for a limited time for all pilots with South African licences or foreign licences validated by the SACAA?

Is this for a South African or a foreign licence that is being revalidated?

Do pilots with South African licences have to regularly repass the SACAA's written/computer exams to keep up their licences?

Does the same need to keep repassing written/computer exams apply to SACAA validations of foreign licences?

In nearly forty years of flying in different continents I have not come across this unusual situation before. I have licences from four countries in different continents.

I once had my Canadian licence validated in an African country. This involved passing an air law exam and paying a fee. My Canadian licence was then validated in that country for three months. I was then entitled to commercially fly that country's aircraft within that validation period as long as my Canadian licence was valid. The validation fee was substantial and each validation period was for only three months so it made sense to obtain a local licence. This involved one flight test which covered general flying, type rating and instrument rating. The air law I had already passed and did not need to rewrite. I then had a licence from that African country and needed only to renew the instrument rating with a flight test every twelve months. There was never any need to keep passing the same written exams.

After several years away from Canada, during which time I had kept up my Canadian medical but had not been able to renew the instrument rating on the TC licence, I then had to do only a regular flight test to renew the instrument rating on my Canadian licence. I did not have to rewrite the INRAT or any other exam as during the whole time I had been away I had maintained an instrument rating for commercial flying on a licence issued by an ICAO state, including a renewal within the past twelve months. I provided evidence of this to the designated TC examiner, passed the flight test and my instrument rating was renewed.

I have never come across this need to keep rewriting the same exams. What is going on in South Africa?

[ericson007]

If you have a SA license and keep it current, you dont need to re write any exams. If you let it lapse for an extended period then you need to rewrite, if more than 60 months you have to do all the theory from scratch.

In the case of a validation, they are valid 12 months. After it expires you need to do another validation. Same ground rules apply, air law and flight test. Then you got it for another 12 months. You cannot validate in light of holding a previous validation.

Rather than validating you must convert. You will write law, performance & planning and also Met. Once you have done these you have 36 months to get your license issued via flight test or you need to do them again as well. Once you did a convertion, you won't have to sit all exams again.

Before trying to convert make sure to check the AIC for requirements. Once you have converted, you will be issued with a SA license on the bases of a license held from a contracting state (ICAO).

[Zeflo27]

Hi

Looks like I'll have to do Air Law & Procedures. Anyone out there done with their notes and wishing to pass them on? Please PM me.

Thanks.

[mt206]

Could anyone tell where would be best to buy SA CAA CPL Air Law study books. I'm currently in the UK and need to pre study the Air Law before heading out to SA. Also is there any websites, books or DVDs on question banks for the SA CPL Air Law.

Any info would be much appreciated.

Cheers:ok:

[mt206]

Hi

Could anyone help me out here. I'm heading to SA in the next week to do my SA CAA CPL/IR Validation.
Before heading out I need to pre study the Air Law & Procedures.
Would anyone know which are the best books to study and if there are any websites which have exam question banks. Or DVD/CD Question banks.

I would also need the study material sent to the UK so any info on which shops would send it out to.

Any info would be great.

Cheers

[cavortingcheetah]

These guys used to produce notes and sample test questions.

Why Train Here - Why Train Here | Babcock Flying Academy (http://www.flyingacademy.co.za/index.php/why-train-here)
Pilot and Flight Crew Training School | Grand Central South Africa (http://www.fts.co.za/)
Avex Air (http://www.avexair.com/index.html)

Babcock and FTS are based at Grand Central. Avex is at Lanseria I think.
Grand Central is just up the highway from the CAA. As I remember the notes are pretty much of a muchness. I used all three and on balance preferred FTS. Why all three? Well, for super secret reasons the CAA only gave me one shot to pass the examination so I had to be sure I had all the falcons in a row the first time.
Good luck anyway. I think you'll find some of the questions quite tricky.

Here's an add on link to the Avex site. They did have a very clued up guy who would do private tutorials at some cost bit well worth the effort. Every right answer you squeeze out is worth quite a lot and if he is still around he'll be up to speed with the latest in tricky questions.

Study Notes - Avex Air (http://www.avexair.com/pilot_study.html)

[mt206]

Cavortingcheetah

Massive thanks for that. How long ago did you do the exams.

Just little worried as I need to sit these exams in the next week or two. Need to get going with the study.

Do you know if any of those schools will send the study material overseas to the UK. Ive tried one school so far and they will not send the material I have to pick it up in person, which I cant do from the UK.

Anyway big thanks for that
:ok:

[cavortingcheetah]

Must have been about three years ago. I very much doubt that any one will send stuff ex SA and even if they did it probably wouldn't make it through the post. FTS is run by a couple of SAA flight crews. It may be that you could telephonically prevail upon one of them to bring or have brought a set of notes to LHR from where you could collect them. I suspect the law and flight procedures are in two volumes. I fear that you might have sailed a tad close to the wind on time for this one. I'm not sure that you can just walk in to the CAA and push button the exam any time you like.
The CAA in Midrand have a reasonably navigable website which contains quite a bit of the stuff you might need to know splattered around the place.

[Jelly Doughnut]

MT206, I wrote the SACAA exam around this time last year, to revalidate my ATPL.. the Babcock CFA questions are an excellent source for revision.. and the SACARS/CATS are available on the SACAA website so you can look up anything that's not clear from the questions. A week of question bashing did the trick for me!
I'll have a dig around my books tomorrow, if I can find the questions then I am more than happy to post them onto you. I'm UK based.

[mt206]

Jelly Doughnut

Mate if you do have any notes that would be great. I'm currently in the UK North Devon. Also do you know if you can sit the Air Law Procedure exam anytime you wont or do you have to go by CPL exam dates on the SA CAA website.

Cheers

[ab33t]

Hi All,

Anyone written this recently as I have to take the exam shortly and looking for notes and question bank if anyone has them or can point me in the right direction.

Thanks

[cavortingcheetah]

Post # 22 refers and armed with that and a trusty telephone , it's amazing what might be accomplished.

[ab33t]

Thanks if you note that that was posted in 2011 , I have the Babcock notes but they are out dated.

Let me rephrase the question . Does anybody have or know who has updated their notes and questions.

Any help will be appreciated.

[cavortingcheetah]

If that would refer to Part 61 I thought that the SA/CAA website incorporated much of that. Babcock, FTS and Aeronav may well have updates that, for a fee, can be PDFd, faxed or downloaded?

[ab33t]

I did try FTS they dont do their manuals and question bank in PDF. I could buy them and have shipped to the UK . Thats worked out way to expensive

[siduk]

Hi

I am in the process doing conversion from ICAO ATPL (A) to South Africa ATPL (A).

I am seeking some information about what exams do I need to write.
Please provide me the names and websites where I can do online SA Air Law exam preparation.

Also needing names of the training organization around in SA.

Cheers:ok:

[avionimc]

Questionbank (http://questionbank.co.za/)
CPL(A) & ATPL(A) Consolidation Courses (http://www.statusaviation.co.za/index.php/academy/ground-school/cpl-atpl-brush-up-courses)