Atr 72-500 Fctm

[midcon385]

Hi,

Looking for an electronic copy of the ATR 72-500 Flight Crew Training Manual. Already have the FCOM, but trying to find the FCTM for reference. Anyone have this and could send it to me?

Thanks,

Tim Herman

[FLEXPWR]

Haven't found it online yet, but it's full of mistakes and not-so-user-friendly... Someone tried to mimic the FCTM from Airbus, but the result is way different.

[ClimbSequence]

The ATR does not publish a "Flight Crew Training Manual" as such labelled by Boeing.
They have FCOM 1 which is a system description divided in 17 sections and FCOM 2, divided in two chapters where you can find Limitations, Procedures and Techniques (one section you might find useful based on what you are looking for), Normal Procedures (would be interesting for you as well), Emergency Procedures, Procedures Following Failure, Loading and Performance.
Hope this help:ok:

[FLEXPWR]

Hi ClimbSequence,

ATR Training Center has been publishing an FCTM for the last 2 years, but not entirely accurate and the page index system leads to reading the wrong variant, i.e. you are reading the 42-300 series, and next page is the 500 series, so reading thru you always have to watch which variant you want to follow (written vertically on the tab).

Honestly, reading "procedures & techniques" is much more informative IMHO.

ATR FCTM includes some "SOP's" which are not really reflecting the way operators could apply SOP's, unlike the Airbus FCTM, which, if followed to the line, is almost full operational. (one example being the ATR FCTM/philosophy is to switch on everything on OVHD Panel -no white light, and taking the risk to burn the ground personel with pitot probes, so necessarily, the operators need to modify this from the very first day they use the aircraft online)

Flex

[ZFT]

FLEXPWR,

A later version (Sept 09?) of the FCTM has just been released.

I'll slightly disagree with you re FCTM Index Tabs. They aren't series but rather ALL ATR, 42 PEC, 72 PEC, 42 Non PEC and 72 Non PEC if I remember correctly.

[airman13]

I have been flying on atr since 99 , 5500 hrs.PEC only.Generally speaking a good machine,but, any improvement is welcome,as regard SOP.However, any operator may modify its sop, because of independent reasons, I mean, a northern operator will not have the same normal procedure like an african or southasian one.NowI will give you some examples of modifications or differences:
1.you start time when pressing start pushbutton, or after 10% and CL in feather....
2.after landing, when you are taxiing to stand,normally #1 engine is shutdown.So,after 1 min cooling time CL feather.You wait 20 or 30 sec , then fuel shutoff.#1 electrical fuelpump off, or after NH is bellow 10% off.....
3.when you are performing power back you switch on taxi &to lights or not.....
and so on...

Best rgds!

[ClimbSequence]

Hi Flex,

You are right, the ATR training centre based in Toulouse published a kind of SOP manual, very well illustrated and user friendly for the different types of ATRs. I remember, I read it about a year ago and have to say that regarding flight technique is quite complete and useful, however at the very end of the book it states something like the manual was made by the ATR Training Centre and it does not intend to replace or supersede any official publication. Therefore, I assume that Flight Crew Operating Manual is the official one and probably was created by other people. I still have that doubt wheter the ATR Training Centre is a separate organization and they recommend the ATR's operation rather than officially dictate the operational procedures. In fact, some of the actions read in the FCOM´s normal procedures section differs from the mentioned flight technique.
The major drawback of the FCOM is the summarization of the procedures and some parts you might find incomplete, perhaps missing as opposed to the well described FCTM.

[FLEXPWR]

Climb Sequence,

You are absolutely right, the ATR FCTM is not intended to replace FCOM, as it is the case for the Airbus one as well. The page 1 of Introduction of the Airbus 320 FCTM states that in case of conflict, the FCOM is the over-riding authority. It even states that airline policies may vary as well, and that airline policies will be then the overiding authority. In order of priority, it seems clear that :
1- FCOM
2- Airline policy (SOP's, variants, etc)
3- FCTM

ZFT: correct about the variants vs "groups of variants", just that in today's operations, a 42 "non-PEC" is a 42-300, or a 72 "non-PEC" is a 72-200, not much else, if you exclude the 201-202, etc.
There will be a complete change in the way the operating procedure will apply with the -600 series coming soon, it'll be interesting to see how to implement so many changes in the current state of things, while trying to keep commonality, but this is another subject, and I apologise for deriving from the intended question from midcon385. :ouch:

Flex

[midcon385]

The training manual from the ATR Training Centre in Toulouse is, I think, what I am actually looking for.

Tim

[ZFT]

Tim,

I've got the 2007 release I no longer need. PM me if you want it