A bit of silliness at YPDN

[Aerohooligan]

So I'm sitting here watching a bunch of dudes contracted by DIA rip down our section of the airport security fence, intent on installing a new one.

Why tear it down, I asked one of the gentlemen? Apparently, he said, the angled part of the fence on top which has all the barbed wire attached to it is on backwards. It should hang over the landside area, not airside...so of course the only solution (other than saving time and money welding some new barbed wire in the correct orientation to the existing fence) is to give a bunch of guys without ASICs or escorts the security gate code and allowing them to work both sides of the fence with the security gate wide open for several days.

This on the same day the AFP came and scrutinised my ASIC and the vehicle I was driving airside, not 150m from the aforementioned goings-on. I just hope we get a shiny new security gate out of all this. :ok:

[YPJT]

Aerohooligan, Not wanting to get into a debate over the merits of changing the fencing arrangements, however it is possible that a special event zone has been established around the work area removing the need for ASICs or VICs. Certain procedures will have been put in place and not necessarily advertised to all and sundry. Things in security are not always as they appear.

If you observe what you believe to be a breach of any part of the regs, you can report it to the Office of Transport Security [email protected]

[Aerohooligan]

I wasn't aware they could do that, but it makes perfect sense now that you mention it. Cheers, YPJT.

[bushy]

We got such fences in Alice Springs a long time ago.
One evening I prepared for an urgent airmedial flight and when i was ready to go and the nurse was also ready, there was still no doctor.
He eventually arrived, and explained that he did not have the magic numbers to open the door, so after all else failed he climbed over the "man proof" fence.
There was no other way he could have got there.

[YPJT]

:ok: no fence is guaranteed to keep someone out who is hell bent on getting in (or out).

[ZEEBEE]

no fence is guaranteed to keep someone out who is hell bent on getting in (or out).

Too true JT. In the HeaviLift compound at at Hagen the raskols were getting over the razor wire infested fences by just chucking some carpet over them.
It became a super highway after that.

[Flying Binghi]

...the raskols were getting over the razor wire infested fences ...

Obviously the razor wire was on the land side, if it were on the air side they would have been stopped......:}

[Arnold E]

Got "pinnged" at APAD on Tuesday for not wearing a high vis vest, by a guy, not wearing a high vis vest. Dont know how he saw me! Prolly end up in Guantuamo Bay:}

[The Green Goblin]

Used to pull that line at Perth when it first came in :}

[PyroTek]

:ok: no fence is guaranteed to keep someone out who is hell bent on getting in (or out).
As locks are made for honest people :ok:

[freshy1234]

As locks are made for honest people http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Lock picking ain't exactly rocket science...

Grabs bolt cutters :ugh:

[Desert Flower]

Grabs bolt cutters

Bolt cutters - also know as a universal key! ;)

DF.

[Worrals in the wilds]

And the fully laden truck. Known as the bigger universal key:E.

It worked on the front gates of HM Gaol Boggo Road in the 1970s.
http://www.boggoroadjail.net/boggo-damage.jpg
The 1970's 1 Division Boggo Road Gaol (http://www.boggoroadjail.net/new1division.htm)

Fences are for keeping the hoi polloi and stray animals out. They're no good for serious threats no matter how big and strong they are.

[tinpis]

universal key!


A Master key in Darwhine

No glove box without one of these http://expresstools.com.au/images/products/thumbs/bga452rfe%20angle%20grinder.jpg:E

[training wheels]

Apparently, he said, the angled part of the fence on top which has all the barbed wire attached to it is on backwards. It should hang over the landside area, not airside...

In that case, Essendon Airport has got it around the wrong way as well. This is a pic taken airside.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ze0276.jpg

[freshy1234]

Gotta think about it logically. Which why is easier to climb over?:ugh::D

[mattyj]

..Simple..to stop the lunatics from escaping the asylum:eek:

[Old 'Un]

Am told that the installers here were used to erecting security fences to keep the inhabitants IN (read "prisons") and gave no forethought to differences when erecting similar fences to keep intruders OUT. I presume a similar mindset was prevalent in Aussie as well.

Le Vieux

[longrass]

I think they are designed to stop people stealing planes, obviously they won't be able to take the plane back over with them

[Xcel]

haha training wheels, perhaps coles erected that fence as to many grubby unemployed pilots helped themselves to the five fingered discount...

[b_sta]

I think they are designed to stop people stealing planes, obviously they won't be able to take the plane back over with them

Interesting dilemma! Just how would one go about getting a plane over a fence :confused::ugh:

[PyroTek]

<edit> I didn't notice he put plane in italics, therefore my comment of "fly it of course" was stating the obvious </edit>

Also, why don't they make a fence which is for both ways?
a V shape for the barbed wire at the top?!:ok:

:ok:Pyro

(Don't tell anyone or anything, I'll be a millionare soon enough!)

[longrass]

Lol, by flying it.... Bit tired are we?

[Worrals in the wilds]

...and in other news, tragedy struck when promising young aviator PyroTek was garotted with ASIC lanyards by a gang of crazed airport operations managers after costing them a zillion dollars in fencing upgrades, when his 'helpful' suggestion was implemented by the OTS for all RPT airports inlcluding Birdsville and Innamincka... ;)

A further proposal that airports not have any gates at all is being considered by the department. Once employed, staff would spend their entire lives within the airside area, with breeding to ensure a future supply of workers. Given the inbred nature of most airports already, this is not expected to create any noticeable difference to the genetic diversity of staff.

[b_sta]

Lol, by flying it.... Bit tired are we?

:rolleyes: At least Pyro got it! The word 'plane' was italicised for a reason!

[The Wawa Zone]

A couple of years ago the gate inside Tealeaf Freight & Travel (gone) at DN was like the swinging doors on a Wild West saloon. People and trolleys were in/out of it constantly. The DOTARDS super slueths used to hang around and try to catch us leaving the chain around it unlocked so we could get through it again 20 seconds later..

To distract them one day, I dragged them up to the gate next to Hardlys and showed them how easy it was to pop the push button lock there with a knife:

Me (waving flick knife): Did you know that anyone can open this gate with no key ?
CLICK squeeeeek-open....
DOTARDS super slueths: Ooooo-wwwwwwh ! We didn't know that !
Me (now standing airside waving flick knife): Its been like that for a whole year !
DOTARDS super slueths: Ooooo-wwwwwwh ! We'll have to get something done about that !
Me (still standing airside, now honing flick knife on galvanised gate post): And if you parked a car in this parking spot next to the fence you could just climb on the roof and jump over the fence, eh ?

DOTARDS super slueth's eyes widen as comprehension threatens.

pause.... time passes...Solution ! I know, we'll put up signs saying No Parking Along Fence ! ( :ok: sighs of relief)


DOTARDS - we have come to Save the Day...


:) Question - are the RPT airfields out bush still fenced as far as the eye can see ? Literally, I mean, as in the fence disappears behind the bushes and stops 2 meters further on ??