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Yozzer
10th Nov 2001, 01:35
Any ex RN Bucc mates here?
...because a bit of technical advice regarding the accuracy of:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/latest.htm
would be very appreciated.
An email link is available via the webpage.
Thanks in advance
Yozzers mate
fobotcso
10th Nov 2001, 01:49
I'm neither ex-RN nor ex-Bucc but if the word "inbound" implies that the Bucc was "inbound" then I'd suggest it was more likely that the Bucc was "outbound" off the cat. Can't see a strop dropping away or a catch net, however.
Look forward to more detail from someone better informed.
Don't aircraft make good subjects for paintings and photos?
Yozzer
10th Nov 2001, 02:20
"Inbound" refers to the fact that it is incomplete, not about to land ;)
A strop will be seen at a later date as I am led to believe that after 20 launches they were used for the last time and sent overboard.
Good references for the deck are like chickens teeth to find, which shows that we should preserve in film aviation today because it will soon be gone forever.
John Eacott
10th Nov 2001, 10:59
Technical accuracy? Fairly limited, apart from the Bucc not even being on the cat centre line, and the Wessie 1 looking ever so slightly pregnant.....
This shot shows the launch configuration for a Bucc:
http://www.helicopterservice.com.au/photos/Buccaneer%20on%20waist%20cat,%20Ark%201973.jpg
Whilst this one shows the waist cat off Ark, albeit with a Phantom:
http://www.helicopterservice.com.au/photos/Phantom%20waist%20cat%20launch%20Ark%20Royal%201974%2006.jpg
With this last one (all taken by me, please respect copyright...) also shows a Bucc off Ark, from a waist cat launch
http://www.helicopterservice.com.au/photos/Buccaneer%20off%20waist%20cat,%20Ark%201973.jpg
Yozzer
10th Nov 2001, 13:00
Thankyou for your comments John, obviously the deck is not yet painted and I was aware of several errors in its initial drawing, indeed your F4 photo will be invaluable reference for which I thankyou.
The information that I seek is that it would appear that a Bucc on departure has the same control setup (flaps, ailerons) as it does on arrival, Johns photo appears to confirm this.
A few years ago artist David Shepard painted a VC10 taking off with full flap and has never lived it down since, I am quite keen to ensure that my observations are correct as in normal terrestrial based flight they would be wrong.
Must be a Bucc man out there somewhere....
Attn. John Eacott
Great photos, could I suggest that you post them on airliners.net as they only have a few photos of the Bucc.
Cheers,
Flypro
10th Nov 2001, 20:30
Yozzer,
It looks really good to me. The Ark was fitted with a strop-catcher at some time as it was deemed too expensive to ditch a strop every launch. If you are concerned about the A/C being off centreline and in a landing configeration, why don't you just change the title to "Bolter Bolter!". Pity you can't paint the amazing noise of a cat launch!
[ 10 November 2001: Message edited by: Flypro ]
JMJ,
If you want good Bucc pics go to:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepagesandrewbrooks1
Lots of other stuff too.
JMJ,
Soz, the actual link is:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andrewbrooks1
Tiger_mate
13th Nov 2001, 13:23
John E said:
Wessie 1 looking ever so slightly pregnant.....
It might well be cause its probably full of se(a)men!!
Looks tops to me, Print out soon?
T_M