jb5000
21st Sep 2009, 23:34
Hello everyone,
Quick question regarding non-precision approaches, as a discussion came up today specifically with regard to the Saleya for runway 22 in Nice.
I was PF, and I wanted to start the final descent from the 12DME AZR point at about 3-400fpm so as to arrive around the Cap Ferrat MAP just over 2,000ft. This would be some 6-700feet about the circling minima at the missed approach point.
I wanted to do this as 1,500ft at the 5.5DME point is fairly low on the profile considering the manouevring around the bay. I felt that 2,000ft and taking the gear at the 5.5DME point was a fairly conservative plan (A320 family).
Captain disagreed and said that when cleared for the Saleya that implied the level constraints as well, and I should be 1,500feet at 5.5DME, then drop down to 1,000 until on the PAPIs. I felt that this was incorrect as it leaves you fairly low and slow, which isn't really in keeping with the spirit of the noise abatement.
Of course in some fairly marginal weather you want to be at the circling minima at the MAP, and to make life easier I could have just opted for a visual approach, but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts are? Do you have to fly the approach in line with the DME / Altitude as published, or can you fly as high above the profile as you want as long as you are following the procedure laterally?
The VOR approach onto the southerly runway in Bastia is another example of the top of my head.
Anyway, thanks for your insights.
Quick question regarding non-precision approaches, as a discussion came up today specifically with regard to the Saleya for runway 22 in Nice.
I was PF, and I wanted to start the final descent from the 12DME AZR point at about 3-400fpm so as to arrive around the Cap Ferrat MAP just over 2,000ft. This would be some 6-700feet about the circling minima at the missed approach point.
I wanted to do this as 1,500ft at the 5.5DME point is fairly low on the profile considering the manouevring around the bay. I felt that 2,000ft and taking the gear at the 5.5DME point was a fairly conservative plan (A320 family).
Captain disagreed and said that when cleared for the Saleya that implied the level constraints as well, and I should be 1,500feet at 5.5DME, then drop down to 1,000 until on the PAPIs. I felt that this was incorrect as it leaves you fairly low and slow, which isn't really in keeping with the spirit of the noise abatement.
Of course in some fairly marginal weather you want to be at the circling minima at the MAP, and to make life easier I could have just opted for a visual approach, but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts are? Do you have to fly the approach in line with the DME / Altitude as published, or can you fly as high above the profile as you want as long as you are following the procedure laterally?
The VOR approach onto the southerly runway in Bastia is another example of the top of my head.
Anyway, thanks for your insights.