Saudi wives in the baggage hold of a Challenger

[Minorite invisible]

I heard an unbelievable story yesterday. It's second hand, but here it is.

It seems that a Saudi man who owns a Challenger, has installed in the baggage hold of his aircraft, a couple jump-seats where he installs his wives when he travels with them. This is for when he travels with business partners, so that his wives do not mingle with the others.

If true, that he can get away with this in Saudi Arabia, I could understand for there, some people are above the law, but how come the authorities of the countries where he flies to accept such a practise?

Anyone know about this ?

[two green one prayer]

Gives a whole new meaning to SLF:O

[411A]

There is an STC for this very mod, so I understand.

[nitpicker330]

So they don't need to follow the instructions of the crew in an emergency then?

I guess it would be a bit hard from a windowless compartment isolated from the cabin!!

And I'd thought I'd heard it all :hmm:

[6000PIC]

I wonder if those poor wives still use that old line... " not my Mohammed , he`s different..." ha ha ha , I guess not. Frankly if you`re that controllable , you deserve it.

[captainmorgan888]

Is this a factory option or aftermarket ? how many seats ? where can i get it ?

[con-pilot]

I can't speak for the Challenger, however, I was told by some people with Dassault that they had a middle east customer request a window be installed in the baggage compartment on a Falcon 900. When Dassault inquired for the reason of the request, they were told that the owner planned to carry two if his servants in the baggage compartment on some trips and wanted a window installed so they could see out.

Dassault did not install the window.

(In case you are curious the Falcon 900 aft baggage compartment is accessible in flight through a door in the aft lav, below FL 410.)

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Two DS sitting in the aft lav, cos the owner did not wish to polute the cabin with them.

glf

[south coast]

Don't see what the problem is.

[lear60fellow]

Problem is racism and middle age thinking

[south coast]

OK, now I am lost.

I thought we were all in agreement there is nothing wrong with where ever the Saudi wants his wife/wives to travel, be it in the cabin or baggage compartment.

His plane, his wife/wives, his decision, surely!

[g21agoose]

411A- There is an STC for this very mod, so I understand.

Does the mod contain a tie-down point for the shackles or is that extra? :rolleyes:

[Flintstone]

The baggage locker on a Challenger is exactly ten paces behind the principal seat.

Coincidence? I think we should be told.

[Torquatus]

His plane, his wife/wives, his decision, surely!

Some of us believe that women are people, not property.

[INNflight]

Some of us believe that women are people, not property.

Surely most of them wouldn't mind the odd trip to Paris on a jumpseat with no windows when they get to go on a shopping spree spending 50k afterwards.

Lets face it, I don't agree with what is happening there, but there's millions of women that have waay more serious problems. :ouch:

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Now that sort of thinking is just not acceptable.

Whatever makes you think that women are people, as long as you believe that you will never be happy in my sand pit.

glf

[12Watt Tim]

Innflight

I'm not sure that makes it acceptable.

[south coast]

Get a grip dim Tim!

[eyeinthesky]

QUOTE
exactly ten paces behind the principal seat
UNQUOTE

I thought that the first Gulf War and the risk of unexploded land mines had changed that tradition to ten paces IN FRONT.. :E

[singpilot]

Often landing in Doha or Stanstead there was a ACJ in private livery and Qatar registration.

Many times, in Doha, there were 1 or 2 757's in same private livery.

Finally at UK end, ran into crew in Ops. The ACJ was only for the wives weekly shopping run to London, and 90% of what came back was from Harrods. The rest was in hand carry, very small ornate ribbon-wraped boxes.

[the bald eagle]

Wish I could put my wife in the bloody hold!

[Pugilistic Animus]

For my Ex wife I'd get seats STC'd for the unpressurized holds:}

[ShinjukuHustler]

That story is as funny as it is sad, if it's true.

A few Sid's n Tonic and most wouldn't know the diference betweent the Y class on Saudia or the baggage hold of a biz-jet :}

Dunno how you'd explain that to the lads on the ramp though when you arrive at the other side.

Maybe put them on the baggage carousel and have em picked up at arrivals hall by a couple of xxxxxxx in jumpsuits. :E

[doubleu-anker]

This incident, if true does not surprise me in the least.

If this is how they treat their wife's, it will give you an idea how you will be treated as an enemy, POW, etc. Please let us not think about what they would do to their enemy's wife's and women folk in general.

I never have, don't and will never work for people from a country that condones such behaviour. I think the people who are employed in that :mad: :mad: :mad: hole, should have a good think, what they are helping to support.

If someone ever accused me of having worked for them and I was unable to refute that fact I could never hold my head up, as I wouldn't want it on my conscience. :yuk:

[NuName]

Being as this started with "I heard", and nothing has been added to verify anything, maybe the whole issue should be treated with as much contempt a some of the comments.

[ExcelXLS Driver]

Well we must be talking about the poorer Saudis who have probably just been able to afford a Falcon or Challanger and lack the style of their wealthier relatives.
Another indicator of this would be the resulting lack of space for all their golf clubs and designer suitcases. Any shopping spree would need to be stored in the cabin!

I know of 1 Saudi Prince who decided to go on a hunting trip and took 3 747's. 1 for him and his friends, another for their wives's and the third for their luggage and servants!

It will be interesting to see how many upgrade to the A380, as a greener option to 3-4 747s', as they will have enough room for their servants as well as their luggage and shopping, a Casino, luxury lounge, strip club and secret bar and of course their Hareem on one of the lower levels!

[500 above]

Make mental note... Never buy a Hawker 125!

[mutt]

I wonder if ANY of them take DELIVERY of a A380?


Mutt

[LGW Vulture]

I think it a fair bet that Kingdom won't! :ouch:

[mutt]

Totally agree with you :{:{:{ So who has enough money to operate that aircraft? My understanding is that it was a "test aircraft" so its MUCH heavier than normal airliners, so i dont think that it will be attractive to any of the present airline customers.....

Whatever happened to their A321?

Mutt

[LGW Vulture]

I might be a lttle bit behind the curve now but last I heard was that the only way the A321 will come out of Fort Worth is if HH buys the company and chucks even more cash in to get the completion finished! Absolute disaster!

Not too disimilar to the A340 we touched on earlier this week! :uhoh:

[jaadu]

I like it. if at all true!!. This chap obviously does not want to mix Business with Plesure