FISO Jobs/ Validation

[3694353]

Hi all,

I have recently passed my FISO exams and am now looking to validate and hopefully find some work! I am based in London and would prefer work in the SE. My primary interest is in part time work however I may consider full time if it was on offer! Does anyone know of anywhere where they are looking for FISOs or where there may be the opportunity for some work?

Thank you for your help- greatly appreciated.

[chevvron]

You could try Blackbushe.

[Talkdownman]

You could try Fairoaks........

[eglk01]

Denham,Elstree,Rochester,Duxford

also

possibly Goodwood.

cheers.

Oh and Blackbushe are not recruting at the moment.

[Another_CFI]

Interesting. Chevron has recommended TDM's airfield and TDM has recommended Chevron's airfield!

[Talkdownman]

Well, well. What a coincidence.... :suspect:

.......only because 'we are not reruiting at the moment', apparently.....so my job must be safe...... :ok:

[Hansard]

Halfpenny Green, Northampton Sywell

[Monkey Madness]

Denham are not recruiting either... also they only take on AG's, not FISO's any more (too expensive apparently)

MM

[Talkdownman]

Does Denham ever have public transport flights of the level which requires Aerodrome Flight Information Service? For AFIS to be necessary such flights would have to be on scheduled journeys or exceed 5700kg. Can't see that happening much there so why waste money on AFIS.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

TDM.. Remember that terribly nice chap who used to fly the United Biccies Kingair G-UBSH (I think). That used to fly in and out of 'LD but I don't know how much those things weigh..

[Talkdownman]

Yes, I remember Dave W who flew KingAirs G-HLUB/G-UBHL etc. MTOM was 5670Kg but AFIS didn't apply because they were private (ie. non PT) flights. They used to fly to that titchy strip at Hector Laing's place in Scotland, I forget the name. They started with a C90, I forget the reg too....

Remembered name: Mundole airstrip at Forres.

Remembered the reg too: G-BABW

[chevvron]

And somehow that Kingair acquired a UHF radio, the only other civil aircraft I encountered with one was G-ALWC.

[Talkdownman]

Also, what type of ATS does an Aerodrome FISO provide?
It cannot be Basic Service because an Aerodrome FISO is required to provide traffic information. CAP774 says so.
It cannot be Traffic Service because a Traffic Service shall only be provided by a controller with access to an ATS surveillance system. CAP774 says so.
Could it be that Aerodrome Flight Information Service Officers provide Flight Information Service?
What 'type of service' are Aerodrome FISOs supposed to inform service recipients?
Does ATSD even know?

[Grabbers]

Is it not something like an 'Air Traffic Control Service" deliberately vague?

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Can't be an ATC Service as that can only be provided by Licenced Air Traffic Controllers.. am I right?

[Grabbers]

So what is it?

[callum91]

Maybe it's an Aerodrome Information Service.

I'm sure they can provide a Basic Service outside controlled airspace - that's what I've been asking them for and getting from them anyway. :confused:

[Talkdownman]

Yes, Aerodrome FISOs may provide a Basic Service outside CAS outside the ATZ (if they feel a need to get involved.....). CAP774 says so.
But what about INSIDE the ATZ.....? CAP774 doesn't cover this eventuality.

Aerodrome FISOs are required for the purposes of Air Navigation (General) Regulation 13, and Rules of the Air Regulation 45, (and not much else.....)
CAP774 states that in order to comply with the Rules of the Air Regulations 2007 (as amended) with regard to flight within an ATZ, specific and, where appropriate, updated traffic information will be provided to aircraft operating in an ATZ.
Basic Service does not include specific and updated traffic information and Traffic Service requires a controller with access to an ATS surveillance system which is ADS-B, PSR, SSR or any comparable system that is used to determine the position of an aircraft in range and azimuth, which clearly doesn't include Mark One Eyeball.

So what the hell is it that Aerodrome FISOs provide? FIS at Aerodromes?
'Flight Information Service', perish the thought.....!
Has ATSD thought about this at all??
Any CAA ATSD Lurkers out there able (or willing) to respond?

[TCAS FAN]

Talkdownman

Best of luck, having asked this question and receiving nothing that could pass for an answer, I offered a way out. "For the purposes of CAP 774 and ATZ could be deemed to be controlled airspace and therefore beyond its scope". Reply, "that would be a reasonable interpretation"!

[Talkdownman]

I'm not sure that CAA ATSD proof-read the draft CAP774 properly...
I suspect that what CAA ATSD meant to say was ATSORA (....Regulated....), and not ATSOCA.....

I notice that some ATC Units outside CAS are providing only Basic Service within their ATZ and thus NOT passing the required ATZ traffic information.
Sure as hell scares me.
Infact they have done so already.....
So, Keep a sharp look out within ATZs, it is certainly possible that you have not been given the full picture....

Outrageous.......

[ZOOKER]

I think G-BCUZ was also United Biscuits, (mid 70s). On departure, said 'nice chap' always used the phrase "Zulu rolls" to inform ATC he was commencing T/O. I think UB had a factory near Ashby-de-la-Zouch, hence frequent visits to EGNX.

[goatface]

UB had factories all over the UK, hence the liberal disbursement of biscuits, crisps & associated grub at every nearby regional airport and military in the UK & Europe come Christmas time.

I belive that Dave Ward was in charge of selecting the aircraft and Bob Turbin was I/C knobs, tits and shiney gadgets - hence the UHF, the BE350 was better equipped than most airliners during it's reign.