Ash679
1st Jul 2009, 12:27
Dear all,
I hope someone on here may be able to help with this, given that there are plenty of serving and retired regulars (of various persuasions) on the forum!
I am trying to research (as a pet project, and also to settle a bunch of discussions/arguments!) whether it is possible for SNCOs and WOs to serve in "a Branch".
The fundamental question is this...
As many of you will be aware there has been, and still is, a debate within the ATC as to whether either (a) Adult SNCOs & WOs could, or (b) should, serve in the RAFVR(T) rather than the ATC (as they do at the moment, as a uniformed civilian, rather than a member of the RAFR).
I'm not so interested in the (b) debate, rather the technicalities of (a). Is it possible for SNCOs and WOs to serve in the RAFVR (Training branch), or are "branches" Officers only? ...if so, why/why not? What are the reasons in terms of regulations, precedent, etc. Some information I have suggests that "branches" are Offrs only, whereas ORs have "trades" or "trade groups". If this is the case, does this apply the whole of the RAF and its reserves, or is this regulars only?
I'm aware that ORs have previously served in the RAFVR, and still do (as Offr Cdts) on UAS - but I cannot establish through my own reseach the current and correct organisation of the RAFVR.
After the Reserve Forces Act 1996 "remustered" the war-appointable RAFVR 7000-Flts into the RAuxAF, the remaining elements of the VR were the RAFVR(UAS) and RAFVR(T) ...later joined by Offr Cdts on the Defence Technical Undergraduate Scheme (trainee EngOs at the Welbeck Defence VI Form College).
Post RFA96 (from 1 Apr 97) the RAFVR remained a formation within the RAFR, but my burning question is this:
Are the RAFVR(UAS), RAFVR(T), & RAFVR(DTUS) considered to be 3 seperate branches within the RAFVR, and if so, does the fact that UAS and DTUS Offr Cdts have OR status (being uncommissioned) set the precedent to allow SNCOs and WOs to serve in the VR(T)?
If so why, if not, why not?
This isnt a wind-up, its a serious question and I hope the combined knowledge of PPrune can help me resolve the question. I know some people will no doubt have their opinions on VR(T), and I hope to avoid that sort of discussion.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Ash679
I hope someone on here may be able to help with this, given that there are plenty of serving and retired regulars (of various persuasions) on the forum!
I am trying to research (as a pet project, and also to settle a bunch of discussions/arguments!) whether it is possible for SNCOs and WOs to serve in "a Branch".
The fundamental question is this...
As many of you will be aware there has been, and still is, a debate within the ATC as to whether either (a) Adult SNCOs & WOs could, or (b) should, serve in the RAFVR(T) rather than the ATC (as they do at the moment, as a uniformed civilian, rather than a member of the RAFR).
I'm not so interested in the (b) debate, rather the technicalities of (a). Is it possible for SNCOs and WOs to serve in the RAFVR (Training branch), or are "branches" Officers only? ...if so, why/why not? What are the reasons in terms of regulations, precedent, etc. Some information I have suggests that "branches" are Offrs only, whereas ORs have "trades" or "trade groups". If this is the case, does this apply the whole of the RAF and its reserves, or is this regulars only?
I'm aware that ORs have previously served in the RAFVR, and still do (as Offr Cdts) on UAS - but I cannot establish through my own reseach the current and correct organisation of the RAFVR.
After the Reserve Forces Act 1996 "remustered" the war-appointable RAFVR 7000-Flts into the RAuxAF, the remaining elements of the VR were the RAFVR(UAS) and RAFVR(T) ...later joined by Offr Cdts on the Defence Technical Undergraduate Scheme (trainee EngOs at the Welbeck Defence VI Form College).
Post RFA96 (from 1 Apr 97) the RAFVR remained a formation within the RAFR, but my burning question is this:
Are the RAFVR(UAS), RAFVR(T), & RAFVR(DTUS) considered to be 3 seperate branches within the RAFVR, and if so, does the fact that UAS and DTUS Offr Cdts have OR status (being uncommissioned) set the precedent to allow SNCOs and WOs to serve in the VR(T)?
If so why, if not, why not?
This isnt a wind-up, its a serious question and I hope the combined knowledge of PPrune can help me resolve the question. I know some people will no doubt have their opinions on VR(T), and I hope to avoid that sort of discussion.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Ash679