Jetstar working conditions

[zube]

On a recent JQ flight from DPS to MEL the pilots apologised on the PA for the delayed departure as they'd had a slow flight up to DPS due headwinds. There were only two pilots mentioned on the intro, a Capt/ F/O crew. I made a few quick calculations.

After a late afternoon sign on, they have a duty time of close to 14 hours, back of the clock, with flight time totals around, say, 11 hours give or take. I assume a two man crew from the PA introduction.

How do these poor buggers stay awake on the way back.Obviously this legal. Secondly, how much delay can they accept for such things as weather, ATC or ground handling delays, before going "out of hours."

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[ad-astra]

At VB we can be rostered for 13:15 with an extension of up to 2 hours at pilots discretion.

(2 crew - sign on between the hours of 0800 and 1259 - two sectors)
(10:15 if sign on between 2200 and 0559)

Guess what they currently ROSTER 13:10!

[Its the Pleats]

I think the MEL-DPS-MEL A330 service uses two separate tech crew. Ie MEL-DPS hotel, next day DPS-MEL. It used to be a back-of-the-clock return with 3 crew but I'm pretty sure the boys stop in Bali for 24 hours these days before doing one sector home hence the two crew.

I guess when he said that they had a slow flight up he was meaning the previous crew.

Hope this helps. Doesn't answer the duty limit part of your question, somebody else can do that!

[jack red]

Guess what they currently ROSTER 13:10
yep,and i'll bet there's some 20 year old kid in rostering that'll be topping up his KPI credits and end up with a lovely xmas bonus at the end of the year!:mad:

[Reeltime]

Guess what they currently ROSTER 13:10

And who do we have to thank for this?..CASA

The significant impairment caused by fatigue is now well documented. However CASA, always willing to please airline management, has granted exemptions to CAO 48.1 to many airlines.

Was not CAO 48 a safety regulation? Who in CASA decides the pilots of a particular company will be ok to fly beyond the CAO 48 limits?

Civil Aviation Safety Authority: What a joke!

[silversaab]

Limitations on total duty include duty sign on time, number of sectors to be flown, flight deck duty time, if crew is augmented, amount of time flown in darkness (if applicable), and of course cumulative duty in 7, 14, 28, 365 days etc (again, if applicable). That is all general guff and the operator may have exemptions to some of the standard limitations, but they won't be much different from standard.

Rosters must be within the above limitations, and are usually based on a reasonable block to block time. Extensions to duty must be operationally necessary (not planned for or anticipated), so a crew could be useless to the airline if they cop a siginificant delay prior to departure!

[Buckshot]

Guess what they currently ROSTER 13:10

Just out of interest, what pattern is the 13.10 on?

[Capt Kremin]

Don't JQI use CAO 48E?

[ad-astra]

SYD-PER (3 Hours on the ground) PER-DPS
ADL-NAN-MEL

[Mr. Hat]

Billy, PFG Pure Fg Gold.

Lookout if fatigue is traced as a factor in any accident you may be involved in

More like look out person who sits in office plotting day in day out how to best fatigue you.

[an3_bolt]

.....I gotta get some of those "mirrors".....:ok:

On ya Billy - keep it going.

[Outtahere]

Nice one Billy...... only problem is that Cx recruiting have standards that most Jq pilots cannot achieve. They're not at Jq by choice.

[adam210]

Outtahere,

you are a f*wit. what makes you thing you are better than anyone else?

[waren9]

Outtahere

I beg to differ mate. Care to qualify?

[Charliethewonderdog]

Hire a junk and head out Saikung and get on the frosty beers like no ones business ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8T095mFdW8

YouTube - Step Brothers "Boats 'N Hoes" (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8T095mFdW8)

[m-dot]

only problem is that Cx recruiting have standards
that most Jq pilots cannot achieve. They're not at Jq by choice.

As the Ad says - it's all about choices (ha!). Why stop at bashing JQ - I guess you'd say that VB are also not quite the CX standard either?

Regardless of what you are implying with standards, it can be a difficult thing to stop an urge to come home (more so when the wife/girlfriend/children/family are on your heels).

Hope you can stand by your words in the future guys (long, long after you have forgotten posting this). Once they are gone, you cant get those years back.

Sounds like you'd be overqualified for JQ/VB anyhow.

Anyhow life goes on - each to their own. Enjoy.

[framer]

Ha ha classic, I turned down Cathay for one of the 'tin-pot' operators flyin jets in Aus. Only did 700hrs with them before getting a job paying significantly more than I would be earning at Cathay and I don't have to live in a place I don't want to. Point of my post?? Individuals make their own choices. If you want to live in HK and earn average money, go for it mate, I've made different choices.....that doesn't mean my flying standards are lower than yours, in fact I don't think it bares any relevence to them at all.....You know outahere you come across as very arrogant when you say things like
only problem is that Cx recruiting have standards that most Jq pilots cannot achieve. They're not at Jq by choice. Today 09:11
Have a good day, framer

[drivabilongbalus]

This must be too simple i guess, if you're rostered 13:10 and the limit is 13:15, just say no if you're running >5 late. If you all did they'd put a better buffer on it. Pilot discretion for extension, your call, and nothing anyone else can do, trust me, they're not gonna thank you if you extend and bend their jet. Just a thought, or does the almighty dollar rear its ugly head here???

[framer]

I'm thinking if you're on a pretty sweet deal then share the love man ...
I would but I'm not sure the Cathay pilots would be up to it...not sure the standards are high enough ha ha. Seriously though. Standards are at least 50% a personal thing. I know you can be heavily influenced by the company culture but if you are lucky enough to have been with a couple of quality carriers with strong SOP's and a good attitude to applying them then you tend to take that with you on your career. At least, that is my personal opinion. There can be disciplined guys/gals in crap carriers and undisciplined ones in good carriers. No jobs going at the moment my friend and when they come up they're normally filled without advertising.

[ratpoison]

only problem is that Cx recruiting have standards that most Jq pilots cannot achieve. They're not at Jq by choice.
Now would be a good time to change feet ya f***ing Goose. Close to 70% of JQ A330 Capt's are ex Cathay, Emirates, Singapore, Eva, Qatar and yes, even Qantas.

[Artificial Horizon]

I am going to be flying for Jetstar having in the past worked for British Airways and turned down positions with both Cathay and Emirates. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions:confused:

[Zapatas Blood]

"Nice one Billy...... only problem is that Cx recruiting have standards that most Jq pilots cannot achieve."

Nearly fell off my chair with this one. CX and standards? Your kidding me. Its amazing how rotten the system is when you view it from the inside. Good customer service and good business but an outdated bunch of has beens running the flt dep. Still, like most CX pilots, I shut up and take the good coin. Which is the cause of a lot of problems.

From what I hear from chums, JQ is one of the more progressive ops around at the moment. Better mindset than my bunch.

[Oxidant]

Artificial Horizon said;

especially with 4,000 hours airbus time and I get to live back in NZ. Things are looking pretty rosey from my point of view,
Also,
Year 0 - Licence gained
Year 1 - Instructors rating and first Instructing job
Year 3 - First Airline job on Turbo-props
Year 5 - First Jet Job on A320
Year 7 - First Long haul job 777


So, from your own words, how did you manage 4000 hours on the bus in two & a bit years?