What Did You Take Home This Month?

[Cream Crackered]

I was looking at the pay scales on the BALPA forum and found it near impossible to get a like-for-like comparison on pilots pay. some airlines were not even on their list.

If it's not too rude a question, what did you take home this month after tax all told, which airline, type and seat?

I'll start: Capt, easyJet, B737, GBP 4300

[Hot Dog]

Under paid Captain ....A320/321
Virgin Atlantic GBP 3300

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[Ricky Reckless]

F/O Britannia £2800

[morningwood]

Underpaid Southwest captain. (737’s)

9,000 USD = about 6,200 GBP.

With company 13 years.




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[notac]

British European - Capt - BAe146 = £2800 http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif

[Captain Airclues]

Overpaid BA Captain; £*****

Airclues

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[Not Long Now]

'xcuse me for interjecting from the ground, but controlled 93 of you lot yesterday and will take home £1746 end of the month.

Giz a job!

[Yaw String]

Air Europe Italy,
Captain, Boeing 767,
3000 sterling!!! Yes, don't laugh.
Why do I stay? Because the sun shines more here than in UK - makes the wine sweeter!!!

[Notso Fantastic]

BA mid range 747 400 Capt £5700 (good month)

[PODKNOCKER]

Virgin Training Captain IRI/TRI top of seniority list (14 years with company/11 as a Captain) £5000 after tax less £500 for pension to get 11.5% contribution from Virgin. No more increments until retirement in 2011.

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[Phixer]

Experienced Type rated A&C Eng, doing his damnedest to not kill you guys/gals, in the wind & rain etc (sob!) £2200 and that's good money!


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[Heli&co]

Gulf Air
F/O B767
+/- £ 3000 (Worked a lot!)

[Lance]

As a very unloved Go Captain I rush home to my darling wife and squealing children with the princely sum of £3000. Hurrah! Then I pay for my car park, BUPA etc. etc.

[Gentleman Aviator]

Royal Air Force chap :
10 years service, 6 post-wings.

£2200 after tax.

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[McD]

To put it in better context, include your years-of-service with the company. For instance, someone with 12 years at Company X will obviously make more than someone with 2 years.

Just curious, too.....why did PPRuNe Admin edit Capt Airclues's salary?

[Spotter]

NATS ATCO, Glasgow Airport, Held a validation for 17 months. Took home £1617 this month. Great innit?????

[ShotOne]

...er maybe, but that is still more than many turbo-prop F/O's earn and I bet you didn't have to spend £40,000 to pay for your own training!

[Jock Alert]

Hmm, some encouragment here for us newbies...
BA B737 EOG, 5 months in, £2200. Getting there....

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You can Tune a piano, But you can't tuna fish.

[Zulu]

Turboprop F/O
Less than £1250
+ a Cadbury's Caramel bar left lying around in the crewroom.

(NB: 3 years ago, whilst still an ATCO at LATCC, took home nearly twice that. Although the view is better now...)

[vmo]

A cabin lady.

[Bruno]

Air France 320 Captain 6000 $ . 900 $ go into compagny shares (after 1998 dispute )1700 $ to the tax man. Been here 13 years and was making a lot more on the 400 for a lot more fun to. I always roll on my back when hearing we're the best paid pilots in the world.
Did I really hear a winging 9000 USD Southwest skipper ? I must have hearing/reading problems.

[Genghis McCann]

ScotAirways Captain, Dornier 328, £2030

[Captain Airclues]

McD

I knew that somebody would bite!

Airclues

[Vmike]

Turbo-prop F/O, first year of first job. Last month £2650

[Dj]

I work for a good company that could be even better. I have worked both seats in a t/p. Take home this month was £2000'ish.

PS nice to hear from you again Zulu, still staying off the coffees? Keep eating the choccies!

Still commuting great distances?

[shamrock]

Just to add to the ATCO comparisons, which are also interesting.

IAA (Irish) ATCO, £1900 IEP = £1400 STG. Bottom of salary scale.

[Grug]

c-182 command ,occasionally i get bought lunch or get a free coke from the machine

[flufdriver]

well, I took home just under US$10K last month, we have no direct taxes here in Cayman, hence very few deductions or benefits and our cost of living is so high it can look down on the Space shuttle in orbit. Been here 21 years, left seat 737

[trevis]

Cargolux, B747/400, F/O, 2nd yr: GBP 1800 + 1000 per diem

[JJflyer]

Vip 727 F/O 10500USD / month taxfree

JJ

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[VP8]

Overworked, unloved, heavy cargo opsy £1100 this month, still it beats sweeping the streets although not as much as airport cleaner at LTN £25k+ per annum...

[Alvin]

TP F/O, DHL, UK STG 1476.00. Tax? What Tax?

[Flare_you_fool!]

Ex-pat 1st year US Regional brasilia F/O
$1600 US= about 1000 GBP http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif


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[The Flying Scotsman]

Gulf Air B767 Captain.....£4,830 (no tax) + another £245 from next month (10% pay rise).

[fcom]

Virgin F/o this month £2600.Don't worry be happy.
Billy the fish 1999

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[What_does_this_button_do?]

This month, globe trotting IT desk jockey £*****

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[bittern]

BRAL EMB145 Capt 7yrs service 3yrs Captain.
£2700 (would be £3100 if not in pension)
No flight pay.

[Approach Warning]

Lauda Air
F/O on the CRJ and just over 1 year in the company.
€ 1950,- last month incl. per diems


Approach Warning

[autothrottle]

Does anyone know how much cabin crew take home?Only the couple over the way are BA longhaul and I have heard rumours they clear more than I do!!!!

[The Discretion Gimp]

F/O easyJet £2550 to £2800 per month averaging 65hrs/month.
(PURSER eJ £1250pm)Makes you wonder if you should still be flying props or serving tea and sticky buns.

[captcat]

Purser, around 1600£ last month :)
I love tea and sticky buns, always better than getting a flat bum sitting in the F/D
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[SunSeaSandfly]

BWIA, 20 plus years, (L-1011, B738, MD-83 all the same pay)....... On second thoughts, I don't want to publicise how badly we are paid.Suffice it to say less than half fluffdriver's with comparable service and equipment!



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[Son Of Piltdown]

Just over £3000 + meagre stale bread allowance from well known clerical patron of Middle England haulage company.

(LHS B737, 50 hrs a month, awful rosters & knackering max duty days spent polishing chairs between flights whilst dodging creepy management types).

[beaver eager]

CityFlyer Express, Avro RJ100 Capt.
First Job, 4 Years with Company, 2 Years as Capt. 3400 hrs.

£2700 GBP (+£235 which went into pension together with another 8% of gross from company).

Often lousy hotac though and one coleslaw & lettuce sandwich on a ten hour duty if you pick the wrong goodie bag!

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[Old King Coal]

At Go as a F/O, over the last 7 months have averaged (after deductions) £2900 / month

[Lawyerboy]

Forgive me for intruding on a thread that plainly I have little to add to, but can I just say that those of you on £3,000 plus after tax per month are on bloody good money. I'm a City type - commercial solicitor, working for a relatively large, well known City firm, with corporate clients doing corporate work - and my salary don't match that. In fact, I'd have to have close to a 30% raise to even get close. Where do I sign up?

[Dry Martini]

Capt 1-11 British World

Average £3100 after deductions, (including about £200 into the 'money purchase' company pension scheme.)
Have free parking though, and crew meals, and loss of licence cover, and telephone line rental etc. etc.

[Amazon man]

Out of interest then how much of this take home pay includes pension payments. Mine is in the order of £400/month.

[Pullpush]

Md Icelandic F/O 1 month Stockholm
5500 USD + 50 USD/day allowance

[Gentleman Aviator]

Lawyerboy, suggest you take 18 months off work and invest £50k for a frozen licence.

Then you can battle for a poorly paid job with a turboprop operator spending 3 - 4 years getting sufficient experience in the hope that you may get picked up by a bigger airline.

Then with another 10 years or so experience you might be in the £60k per year bracket.

Suggest you chill your beans, old man.

:)

[Lawyerboy]

Gentleman Aviator,

Your point is well made, but please bare in mind that hard work and empty pockets are not the exclusive preserve of the wannabe pilot. It took me ten years and an awful lot of cash to pay my own way through uni and law school to get to qualification.

In any case, my point wasn't that all this mullah was available without a lot of hard work and sacrifice, but that it was there at all. I had always assumed - though I can't think why, actually - that wages for pilots were considerably less than for other professions and lo and behold I see that an F/O with Brittania takes home £2800.

Better than I assumed, that's all.

[FACing_good_SECs]

£2800 Sterling for SFO at JMC.

Does any 1st yr. BA DEP A320 LHR care to elaborate on thiers?

[piperindians]

I think 3000£ for senior captain jet (10 years) is pretty lame.
I am already making more as IT contractor at 30 years. Thats why i can finance my flying (a disaster for my finances by the way - i have a JAR ATPL(A)).
Forget aerodynamics and all the stuff. Basic component of lift is money.
I am afraid high oil prices will put doom and gloom in the industry.

[Xenia]

Capcat...my old and love friend! remember the times when we used to have tea and sticky buns together on board?? ;) those where golden years!!! ...and yeap.. I made more money 10 years ago http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif
The sun doesn't shine a lot up here...good for you Yaw String! but it's the homeland of tea and sticky buns!! :)
I worked d**** hard last month...and didn't even get 900 GBP... I agree with my colleague Notac.. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif
But you know...can't complain (a lot) after all...you know how much I love dealing with the SLF!! ;p and I have generally good fun onboard....let alone getting a flat bump!! Well…run so much that instead, to be honest, we might get sweaty "sticky bumps" ;p Are we selling flowers Capcat???
Gentleman Aviator…Maybe you could suggest to Lawyerboy where to "sign up" :) But do you think it would be a proper job for a "city type"??



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[White Knight]

Also BAe 146/Avro skipper at Cityflyer, two and a half years there, taking home £3055 last month - but nothing in the pension pot... I don't trust the buggers that look after these kind of funds !!
Beaver Eager, you're right about the new crew sarnies, they are HORRENDOUS.

Happy flying folks.

[sailor]

Freelance LHS CL604; £9500 + £1200 per diem.
Offset by no flying last 2 months, so works out about average I guess!

[OldAg84]

At the risk of making some people feel better or making others angry. I'm posting this as a point of reference for aviators. In industrial sales in US - having a good year.
Away half as much as aircrew (as near as I can figure)some driving (packing is a breeze-if you want it throw it in the car), some as self-loading freight.

USD$6,950 gross(this year-but it drops back if I don't sell as much)+ direct expenses + USD$25 per diem and all the pencils I can keep.

No complaints, but still occasionally envy the flight crew.

Have safe trips.

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[PercyDragon]

The best money I ever earned was while slingloading in a single engined helo over primary jungle in Indonesia. In todays terms probably about £4500 a month take home. No tax you see. However, lots of mossies, snakes, and crotch infestation. Wouldn't do it again I tell you. Mind you at the time I was very very very drunk......

[foghorn]

IT contractor. 5 years in the business. £8,500 per month gross. Earned £850 pm gross when I started - not a bad 5 years.

LHS PA28 100hrs :)

High earnings pay the bills for my expensive hobby that will (hopefully) become a sustainable career, 'cos this one ain't.

So why do I want to get out of it? You guys know better than I do! As the saying goes money does not buy happiness.


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[Pete Otube]

Management beancounter - £7800 + 20K bunus if I can screw the line pilots salaries down really hard.

[PercyDragon]

...but actually, while I'm on the subject. Do you know how much of the working UK population earnes £50,000 pa and over? 3%, that's all. and only 1% of the working population earns £100 plus.

The actual median salary (ie the most common
salary in the UK) is actually around £12,500 per annum. Makes you think, doesn't it.

[WeeWillyWinky]

Could somebody explain the point of this thread and tell me if it enhances our image as a mature and responsible group of professionals?

[Xenia]

Pete Otube!!! the main point is not to screw anybody down! We didn't ask about Management beancounter to begin with...and your attitude.... http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif
I don't know if you had slighty noticed that we (people in aviation) have something in common...a great sense of humor :)
No one of us is really complaining...or putting anybody else down!!! we all love our jobs (don't we?) and we're just having a friendly post in here...without snobbing...
We all have good standards of live...and we all are a happy bunch!
For you...straight to the naughty corner...with no inflight entretainment and no cup of tea!!!
Sorry captain Xenia's speaking...would you mind switching the pressurization system off in the naughty corner?? :) :)

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[zippyz]

KLM Exel E120 Brasilia (30 seat bugsmasher)Capt. 2yrs Senior but with first 35% of Gross untaxed (Dutch expatriate incentive). Take home (including travel/dutypay) about NLG 6200(Dutch Guilders) @3:1 for GBP2060.. Sigh...
Hmmm...looks around....

[Paterbrat]

Left seat VIP 727 was taking home 5,000 stg but now in smaller exec jet in less des res/part of globe 5400, no tax. Don't know where, don't know when, do know how much. Son in right seat of A330 for UK charter outfit takes home 2,000 and seems pretty happy

[Cream Crackered]

WWW

The point of this thread is is quite obvious; to compare pilots takehome pay. I've found it interesting and useful. As to whether it enhances our image, I don't know and I don't care! This is after all a pilots' forum and exactly the right place to discuss this topic.

[Guru]

I'm a CX wannabe, it seems that the pay with them is quite a bit higher than most posted so far, is that correct or am I missing something here?

[A and C]

Pete otube .....Why do they all take the bait hook line and sinker ?

Stick to the red stuff A and C.

[Propped Out]

F/O KLMuk F50
£1400

[AfricanSkies]

What did I take home this month ?

£0.


sob.

[fly4fud]

LX 2nd year RHS RJ85/RJ1H, SFR 4400 (UKL 1680), including about SFR 300 (UKL 120) expenses.

All this before tax (about 20%) in a very expensive country http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif

On the bright side, I love the job and spend all my remaining SFR on flying the light VFR rubber driven stuff during my days off :)
Been flying for more than 20 years now, I must be mad, but sure don't need help, thanks ;)


* cut my wings and I'll die *

[Maint99]

http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif This really hurts!! I'm an Aircraft Maint Engineer (AME) in Canada. I work for The regional carrier for AC ( the guys with the maple leaf on their tail).

Last months took home $2400 Cdn, which , as of the close of business on Fri Nov 3, is 1057 pounds. I have been in this job for 13 years. I must be doing this out of love, 'cause the money ain't making me rich!!

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"You want it on the gate for when??"

[Jet Man]

BAe146 FO Average month £2350

[Mac the Knife]

Senior Surgical Specialist (Consultant)
Many years. Overtime included. Little private practice. About GBP1200. I must be insane.

What the heck - sunshine is free!

[civet25]

Japan Airlines foreign based 747 FE :
3500 Stg (Inc meal allowances)

Cheap labour

Japanese FE gets three times more !

[Guru]

It seems that CX pay is quite a bit higher than those posted here. Is that correct or have I missed something here?

[Max Flyup]

Sabre LGW Charter 737 Cpt £3200

[Smellster]

£1150/month take home includes FDP. F/O archaic (but fun) turboprop based at a poor excuse for a London airport (Hint:it's got a big car factory at the end of the runway).

PS Can some of you Easy boys throw some of your wads of cash at us as you taxi past please. We'll be holding at D1,

Ta

[Hot Wings]

BA 744 F/O 2+ years (14 years in the industry): £3700- (incl. some draft). Normally, £2900 ish.

Other half, BA hostie (new contract) £1700.

I'd still like to be paid the same as our cousins at the US majors.

"Show me the money!"

[Mac the Knife]

Senior Surgical Specialist (Consultant). Many years. Work for the State, not much private practice. About GBP1200. Overtime included. I must be insane.

What the heck - the sunshine is free & it's the best fun you can have outside a cockpit!



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[ClearReverse]

I must be doing something right c£2500 as an FE. Lots of years flying though.

[Speky]

Turboprop FO
2 yrs on line
£2490 after tax. Quite a way above average though. £2200 pretty common.

[Wubble U]

FO (1 year-ish) BA A320 , £2050 (good month)

[cxi]

seems the atco's are being very quiet. less than five years valid took home last month 2450 stg (latcc)

[standbyils]

Captain on B737 at GO....3700 average 3500 after pension and sharesave....70-80 hours/month.

[Mr Benn]

F/O Jets. Air 2000. I'm beginning to think that the company's claims that they pay one of the best salaries amongst UK airlines is all a big fib!! Even SFO at JMC earns more!
I take home around £2300 a month most months (including flight pay).
That is after my pension though and we do get the standard benefits.
Yes I'd like more money. But on the other hand, its one of the best occupations in the world. :)

[twistedenginestarter]

Cream Crackered

Inspired thread. You threw a party and everyone came!

WeeWillyWinky? - WeeWillyWhingeBag more like.

[Pete Otube]

Hi, A and C - I don't know why, but they always do, every time. It makes my day! Pop along to my office and have a coffee, it's walking distance if it's not raining. Bring me up a 53 with extra whitener from the free coffee machine.

Pete, (alias Joyce, alias Lee, alias Bourbon)

[DustySlim]

British Midland Commuter
Saab 340 Captain (first year), £2190

[askop]

F/O on a PA31 since last year in survey ops. £2000 pr month, but to little flying. Would rather fart kerosine for half the price!

[LAVDUMPER]

My brother flies as an F/O on the 757/767 for Delta in the States and current monthly take home pay after just 2 years is $7,500 USD per month pre-tax (don't know Pound Sterling translation). That's great for only being there two years - and that is before Delta's new contract is hammered out...

He expects $130/hr as a 767 domestic F/O flying 75 hours per month with the new contract. You're right, the US flyboys are paid a lot more than their Euro counterparts. You can thank United Airlines and their new pilot contract for that! What a great profession!

Happy Flying!

[scroggs]

Virgin 742 FO, 2 years with company, 24 years professional flying, £2117 after deductions. First divorce cost me a house, second (in progress) costing me £1500/month AND the house. Got 50p for a cuppa, Sir?

[Snap]

How much!

should have kept your eyes on the EFIS mate.

SFO JMC 3 months there and £2800. No frills though

[Secret Squirrel]

SFO CFE 3 1/2 Yrs service
£1,912 Take home (Includes £385 allowances!)
50 Sharesave
148 Pension (+182 by Co)

Not brilliant but I had to go into London the other day on public transport. Not having to do that every day is worth at least £1000 a month to me.

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Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes!

[Carbon Life Form]

Average $9000 take home after all deductions
B767 FO Continental airlines, 13yrs with the
company though and all of our fun times in
the 80's and early 90's!

Hourly rate is $117 for 757 $138 for 767, unlike other US carriers we do not have true
equipment differential for pay. categories
are small narrowbody (B737/500/300/700)
medium narrowbody(B737/800/900 MD-80)
widebody (B767-200/767-400/B777 DC-10)

Top widebody captain is just over $200/hr
(about what a Delta 737 captain makes)
unfortunately we have poor unity, resulting in a weak union and resulting contract.
Perhaps due to our (still numerous) strike
breakers and their influence.

[eject]

Cherokee 140 22hrs £12,700 gross/mth. Work 16 - 20hrs/day. Will happily drop to £3000 737 rhs. Don't get too caught up with money; if you enjoy what you're doing; great!

[BuzzLightyear]

ATCO + Instructor 10 yrs plus £2400 last month.

Might not be as much as some of you guys but at least I get home every night!

Wait a minute, maybe thats not so great after all!!!

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[Chutney]

Air 2000 SFO 3 years B757 & B767. £3750 Gross including FDA. After tax, NI, pension and sharesave took home £2120 net. After 5% is removed for pension company adds 15% which is not too bad. So in reality monies not paid to taxman = £2780 plus private health and other insurances.

[Juliet November]

Senior Dispatcher. 2 1/2 yrs in company. Tax in Denmark is horrendous, in the 55 % bracket (yes it's true, and an entry level VW Golf is around £18K). Before tax around £2000/month working around 150 hours. Take home, you calculate it's too depressing to see on print more than once a month ....

But I can drink beers on a regular basis, and won't have to look over my shoulder for a C4 camera crew, AND have a smoke in the office too !!! AND sleep in my own bed every night ('cept for week-ends if you catch my drift ..)

Do have to put up with a lot of pilot crap from time to time, but that's what makes the job so much fun ! Nah, they're usually a great bunch.

Smokin'

[con-pilot]

Ok, it took me a while to figure this out, bonus and everything, but here it is.

Corporate Chief Pilot. Saber 65 and now Falcon 900EX.

Take home after taxes and retirement.

$ 10, 235.56 a month.
This is a two year average.

I had to round off the cents.

P.S. This does not include the company car, my wife going with me on long trips (all expences paid), stock options, ect.

Oh yes, really paid holidays, as in the company pays for my holiday.

[Anne T Skidtest]

RAF, 10 yrs, LHS C-130, £2300, a cheap house and a smart salute from the SWO every morning.

There's lots of bull****, that uniform and the training system made me cry a lot (well nearly). Still, wife's American. Gizza job Delta!

[Hot Dog]

Any BA A320 F/Os out there care to divulge there monthly take home........???

[cxi]

hotdog check page four

[Affangu]

Ryanair -800 F/O, 2 years in service, £2,800 average after tax, NI, and pension.

Just no time to spend it!! :)

[Hot Dog]

cheers cxi....... £2050 a good month! think I,ll stay where I am....

[ETOPS]

Sorry to come in late guys but have just done 9 days on duty with only one off - and not a computer in sight. Any way here goes -
BA 757/767 Captain 14 years in BA (24 years in industry) 740 hrs this year took home in November pay packet £4700. That was a good month - previous month £4200.

PS Capt Pprune please don't edit these figures they all want to know. I am not worried who knows.......

[Mach Alt Star]

Monarch F/O second year increment after tax before flight pay £2250.

Flight pay £2.17 per hour at base, and if I go near a Hotel £2.60 per hour. Woth charter life style it soon adds up £600+ in the summer.

[CHIMBU 767 SAIGON]

I'm goin to write my employers a letter tomorrow, telling them how much I love them, if what ETOPS sais is true.

[N2000]

SFO BA B744, average month, take home around 4200 this month, after max pension, BALPA subs..........etc Flying 800 to 880 hrs pa.


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[before landing check list]

hello ya'll,
New FE, 2600 USD/yr. should be a FO soon and will triple pay after one year here. And I am sorry wee wiley but cream is right, this IS the place.
j

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[Fo1011]

Lets see..6 months with Delta, F/O B737, 6 more to go to end this probation. Base pay $2700, plus some extras and perdiem about $3000.Kinda tight!
Hehe, 2nd year though, anyway from 6-8 grand!
Delta rules!

[Gulf227]

Two years as a Saab 340 F/O at Mesaba Airlines. 1800 USD/1200GPB???. STARTING as a Metro F/O with DHL/SNAS 400 BD Flat + 2000USD per month... same after two years. Glad I'm at Mesaba! :) :) :) :)

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[LeadingEdge]

Czech Airlines B737 FO,third year;
640 USD(after tax).

You pay for your own breakfast,dinner,etc on night stops.

Anyone complaining?

[Vikingpilot]

DEAR FELLOW PILOTS;

just got off probation 2 months ago with SOUTHWEST AIRLINES (B737 FO) and last month (Oct)incl. per diem I made 9000USD BEFORE tax. Still yet to see how much Uncle Sam wants of that.... It was a good month since I picked up extra trips on my days off and flew a total of 97 hours. As a reserve pilot here, you have on average 15 days off, and you can pick up as much as you want.

[Zulu]

Yeah!

I WIN!

I'm now officially the lowest paid PPRUNER...


PS: Dj - e-mail me...whoever you are?!

[ehwatezedoing]

1600 Can $ per month minus 20% tax.
No benefits, days off when strong IFR, flying 206, B-18. And I have to battle strongly for this sh!tty pitty.

Lots of wanabee pilots in Canada are very good to shoot themself on the foot. By accepting flying jobs almost for free and lets everybody else (including them), crying afterward for low paid.

Anyways,
I'm right in the move for geodesics survey, starting at 3000 Can $ and quickly raising to 3750/4500 Can $ depending contract location. Again, minus those 20% tax.

Huh! and guess what, the dumb who took my place accepted......16(sixteen!) Canadian box each flying hour and nothing for ferry /training. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif

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[standby1]

The wages on my street ;

BA year 1,757 FO,£2800
BA EOG Year 4 737,FO £2500
jmc year 3,757 FO,£2400

[ALT]

1 year BA hostie............£1700 sterling
3 year Aer Lingus F/O......<£2000 Irish
=<£1700 sterling
5 year Aer Lingus F/O.....=<£1900 sterling

And people think we shouldn't get a raise, go figure!!!!!

[ETOPS]

N2000

Interesting that a BA 744 SFO makes as much as a Captain on 75/76 fleet. When I transfer to 777 in FEB I might just refresh this thread with an update on the difference between longhaul and shorthaul.......

[TEMP0+TSRAGR]

KLMuk F/O based in AMS, take home £3450 including living allowance. Free confirmed tickets AMS - UK for days off, work 6 on 3 off start on lates finish on earlies.
Boring routes but the cheese is good !

[Toast]

KLM, copilot, after 3 years only
NLG 4700 or US 1850 after tax, pension and medical.

--at this company only the senior boys make lots of money.

____________________________________________
*Keeping the blue pointed up*

[ivy]

Check this out:

Salary List Crossair - Switzerland

F/O
Year 1 £ 1847.-
Year 5 £ 2370.-
Year 10 £ 2700.-

PIC
Year 1 £ 2765.-
Year 5 £ 3015.-
Year 10 £ 3880.-
Year 15 £ 4232.-

Loss of licence insurance: paid by the company
Pension paid by the company: 50%
Additional expenses ca. £ 240.-
Tax Switzerland approx. 20%
Health insurance (basic) £ 80.-/month
3 room flat approx £ 480.-/month
Block hours approx. 75 h
Night stops per month 8
Total duty hours 150 - 300h (depends on the a/c type)

[Honky]

Some take home examples from the former colonies...

A Scale Cathay / Dragonair
GB 12000 to 25000 (depending on overtime)/month

1st yr B Scale Dragonair Skipper
GB 7500/month. Overtime at 100-200 pounds/hour

1st yr B Scale Cathay F/O GB 5700/month . No overtime in theory!

Above does not include overnight allowances, leave funds, thirteenth month, profit share or gratuity.Also excludes housing allowance of GB 2200-3000 basic, depending on company.

Now, why am I still here, urm...



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[Kubota]

Honky...

TOTAL Horse****.

I work at CX. I am an "A" scaler, 10 years in CX (So you know what seat I'm in, etc.) and I have NEVER earned as much as you say. EVER. Not in the wildest days of overtime, etc. I smell cheese here.

Oh yes, you forgot to mention no pension, the fact that we retire at 55, the COL, and oh yes, what are "leave funds"? Who do you work for? I want an application!

[Honky]

I think you may like to clarify your take home pay then, Kubota?.

Its interesting that we never really hear what salaries are actually like in HK, hence my post.

[Lerxt]

Cathay.

S/O 1st year $375,000 HKD + 31000 (13th month salary) + profit share if any. Per year.

F/0 first year $560,000 HKD + $49,000 (13th month salary) etc.Per year.
Tax about 12-17%.

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[thegirth]

Year 2 F/O British Midland 2650Stg including all allowances and after pension,tax, NI, contributons.

12 nights away. Lonnnnnnng days.

[before landing check list]

I have already posted here, but will anybody tell me the exchange rate please?

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How could they possibly be Japanese planes?

— Admiral Husband E. Kimmel

Believe me, Germany is unable to wage war.

— Former British Prime Minister David LLoyd George, 1 August, 1934.

[PercyDragon]

This has all been really interesting folks. I think that behind this thread is the sneaking feeling that we all have, which after all is part of the great human condition, that there is a group of people somewhere out there who are earning much more than us for doing very little. The problem is that most of us work in a commercially competitive industry and in such an industry the same old rules apply, in that nobody pays you good money for nothing.

If you want to find the real easy money have a look at some occupation where the normal rules do not apply....in fact the European Commission springs instantly to mind. You would not believe what Niel Kinnock and his wife (and the rest of his family, allegedly) are now earning in the Uks EEU Franchise in Brussels!

Roll on the Right Wing Revolution.

[Waloo]

An interresting Canadian site about pilot wage poll...I'm somewhere in here.
http://www.harvair.mb.ca/forum/wagepoll/index.html

just steer your mouse down for a good reading. Anyone can add about his pilot wage and stay more unknown.

[aerobat]

Fokker 50 Captain taking home £2500 / month after pension etc.

[redsnail]

First year FO on a Dash 8 in Oz working for one of the bigger airlines here.
After tax and super is taken out I get ~$2500/month. Quite a few other benefits and allowances in there as well.

[RRAAMJET]

3rd year FO, narrowbody, American Airlines:
$9200/mnth before tax, pension, dues, etc. 85 hours, very, very happy ( and thankful to those old pilots before me who protected our careers over here ).

Used to make far less at CX as *th year 744 pilot, 'cos no real pension or medical, and seemed to do far more hours in uniform. Kubota is more accurate. Not enough for living in HKG.

You ATCO's need to speak with your US en-route Center collegues over in US : they make about $100k or more a year, and they're worth every penny.

Cheers!

[Capt PPRuNe]

test

[Boss Raptor]

Airline management and now only part time pilot...

£5000 pcm plus end of year performance bonus TBA

Deputy CEO & Ops. Director...In Africa...not enough in my opinion!

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[seupp]

727 effo, US$2750.

Love to fly this airplane!!

seupp

[Check-in]

All very interesting, but you need to state where you take this money home to. Reckon 3000 quid clear in Blighty doesn't buy the same standard of living as its equivalent would in say, Oz or Yoo Ess Ay. And all those HK dollars probably don't mean diddly squat if you have to actually live there???

[Knight Rider]

Boss Raptor - Don't tell me, your in Safety or Security ? - Highest paid administrators on the planet ! - rediculous really when you think any sensible airline could utilise these people in the air (where they should be) and pay 20k or less for someone to run either a security or Flight safety department with the advise of the Ops Director or Chief Pilot ???? Nuts if you ask me.

Airline Manager - GBP1650 after tax before deductions, probably put in twice the hours any pilot does......and you lot whinge at us ?????

[skid]

Airtours 320 F/O. Ave 2550 GBP over last year, take home. Good money, but the fringe benefits could be better.

[LoLevel]

Australian ATCO.
$AUD3521 /month after tax
GBP 1400. (rule of thumb: 1 aus dollar buys in australia what one pound buys in GB)

As a driver, $1980/month light twin sing pilot IFR (prob get more now)
GBP 775.

Am told a longhaul QF cart-tart is around $3874/month = GPB1510/month.

[mountain man]

Last week Bae146 F/o in OZ on Aus$3700 -Aus $4300 depending on overtime etc+novated lease on car and 7% Superannuation.
This week Captain Falcon 200 (under training) Aeromedical retrieval operation based Singapore USD50000net+S$4000/mth 'living expences allowance' + S$1000/mth transport within Singapore allowance.C&T soon means an extra USD10000/annum.
One very happy little vegemite :)

MM.

[Bob Hawke]

MM, well done!
If they are looking for more drivers, let me know.

Lokim u behin.

[aviatorpk]

55000 Rs (900 US $) as B737 FO and one set of free ticket

[TwoDeadDogs]

Hi there
LME at EIDW,3 yrs with the company,untyped,about £1100-1300 pm after taxes,deductions,etc including roster,nights etc.
Hey,ALT,if you're feeling cheesed off about your pay,nip up to Commuter some time and see what the Engrs.are on(and how much OT it takes to equal your wages)
regards
TDD

[juswonnafly]

Cessna 150

R H Seat

500 pounds sterling if I'm lucky!


Sorry boys, could not resist it

Long live instructors!!

JWF :) :) :)

[ECAM actions]

Virgin F/O 4 yrs service, 2 as S/O take home last month £2250 after 6% paid to a very average pension scheme(as some of you are aware!). By the way Virgin cabin crew, purser, 11 years service, 5 as purser take home £880. Oh for a real payrise and pension!

[Stuka]

B-767 Captain, major carrier in South America's southern cone, rather not give more details in case one of Pete Otube's cronies is snooping around, I guess beancounters are all the same everywhere. Anyway, 13 years with company: US$4500 after taxes, third world benefits. Any Ideas?

[Ofnumbers]

Vikingpilot,

You would have had to make around 160 trips for pay + per diem. A second year SWA makes $53.89 per trip. That equates to $60.89 per hour. How many days off did you actually have?

If you are making that kind of money every month you are in the 28% federal tax bracket + State income tax if your state has one + FICA-MED and FICA-OASDI + 15% for you 401k (retirement), 1% union dues, medical, PMA, AD&D, LTD, VEBA, Uniforms and OPT life if you have it. Hey, tomorrow is the 20th, let us know how much you got to take home.

[g4phil]

VVIP Op's Engineer on G4 G5 US$5,500 (stg3,870)
per diem US$100 60 on 30 off Tax Free

PIC CAPT US$9,500 dependant on time with company

F/A US$3,500 senior

[chicken6]

NZ instructor, 152 RHS, Cub rear seat

120lbs/month average, 150 would be nice!!

[Ignition Override]

Never mind salaries-this might be ok on Pprune, but sudddenly blurting out pay, how many square feet in the house, type of expensive car...often creates resentment among fellow employees. When not asked for, this type of talk is not a sign of good manners. Much resentment and animosity towards us has been created over the years by loud-mouthed pilots.

And the regional pilots usually work harder than pilots with the majors,even on domestic trips, at least in the US, and often for near minimum wage, at least for the First Officers.

As for productivity and days off to enjoy whatever you want to do, some questions for comparison: Do most pilots on Pprune fly near the regulation maximum per month, on average, or the company limit, whichever is first?

Also, whether covered by a union contract or not: does your company does its very best to utilize you on your duty days, or does it waste productivity by providing many schedules which have a large amount of ground time?

Note: for the laymen out there, hub and spoke airlines are never as efficient as the old fashioned linear flying (i.e. Southwest Airlines in the US). A Southwest pilot can explain it much better, but when we operate into hubs (often two or more times per day) we almost always pack up, change planes and do a much longer preflight at the next plane than we would at a 'spoke' airport, which is a turn around.

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[Stuka]

Ignition Override:
Excuse me, but I don't quite agree with you about Pilots speaking about pay between themselves, It is important that we as a group exchange information in order to help those colleages that work for Airlines that have hostile tactics against pilots, I doubt that there's an airline that does not thrive on productivity, some to the point of compromising safety (see the far east forum)we have to understand that new management strategic trends,worldwide, include lowering costs to the maximum, and that means lowering pilots salaries. As of offending fellow employees I think the new breed of beancouter shows off a lot more than we would, (IF.. we made that kind of money),and they don't have their jobs exposed twice a year by checkrides or medicals,they don't work nights or have their circadian clocks altered and they get to spend christmas home with their families, not in some hotel watching Hawai 5-0 reruns. Ours is one of the least understood professions in the world, try to explain to a white collar worker that if you screw up in your job you may go to prison or lose your licence and never be able to work again, not so with lawyers, engineers, doctors etc..So my point is that we have to stick together as a group because the world trend is toward diminishing our importance within the industry. If you haven't noticed it where you work, sooner or later you will, see some far east airlines that used to be jewels to work for and now are the champions of A and B scales and false promises.
Well, sorry but I got a little passionate

[Solent 01]

What did I earn this month.......
Nil, nish, zip, bugger all. But then again I'm still hour building with the freedom to go where I like, when I like, wx permitting.

But I do know I'd rather this than break my back building extensions and such for people who keep changing thier minds, and the money isn't great if you take into account time lost because of wx !!!!!!!



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[IFS to Flight Deck]

Supervisor at Virgin Atlantic, 11 years, £1200.

[COWPAT]

767 skipper, Royal Brunei, GBP 5000, free house and annual gratuity of GBP10000. No Pension though.

[jetset pete]

hi all. As a wannabe at the moment I have got through to British European later selection stages. Its now im starting to wonder how my finances will hold up after 30K loan if im lucky. anyone know what sort of money a FO on BE might expect after 5 yrs. Is it going to leave my bank with a big hole blown in the middle? I know life isnt all about money by the way - a little knowledge to confront the bank manager with would be nice though :)
Thanks

[albatrossuk]

virgin recently recognised as BALPA .have put in appraisal to management of comparative pay/renumeration compared to handful of 'long haul' wide body crew airlines.eg,BA UNITED,SIA,etc.
at the moment fall far short of the above.
believe asking for approx.50% overall increase in package...
any comments??

[Sap]

Titan Airways jet F/O..... £2300/month after Tax.

NO Pension, NO Duty-Pay, NO Night-Stop pay. Credit-Card for food on Night-Stops.

10% of Salary paid as Bonus on anniversary of joining company, but Taxed at 40%.

[Angle of Attack]

Flight Instructor around 2700AUD per month I suppose that would convert to about 1200 pounds after tax.

[Dragitin]

Atlas Air F/O $4581 before taxes. Time away from base was 504 hours (21 days). Involuntarily extended on pattern for 3 days. Treated like a Pak-in-Saudi by company. Company shifting jobs to UK to avoid US labor contract. Wife angry.
Hourly pay calculates to $9.00 per hour. Quitting soon as Walmart calls.

[TOPLOADER]

F/O Gill Airways. 2 1/2 Years on the ATR, only took home £1430.28 last month!.

[bobs61]

I suspect that most have realised this already, but amongst the useful and interesting stuff here is some information that is demonstrably false. Wind-up merchants abound. Sad really, as an objective comparison would be of great interest as BALPA's published scales fail to give the full picture

[zzz]

BA 777 fo.Two years seniority. Average £3000 pcm after all deductions.700-800 hours per annum.

cheers zzz

[3holer]

MD-11 Captain. SA operator
21 years of service, 15 in the left seat and 10 as wide body capt.
$5000 US after taxes (very good month). Average 75 hrs/m, 12 days off.

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[Tower]

F/O with 737 operator at STN take home pay last month of £2500

[cat3]

L1011 FE €4300, Ive taken a 20% pay cut thanks to the crappy exchange rate since starting here!!!!

[YakYak]

Anyone know how much a BA FO would get when starting out? Trying to jump onto the sponsorship bandwagon

I used to take home £640 pcm with my last employer. Someone PLEASE tell me I'll get better than that in civvie street.

Oh - and how much to we get during training too?

(Tried asking the recruiting people. Got a lot of 'ums' and 'ers' but no figures.)

[Hang On, I'm Busy]

I just weep when I read this. Jesus....

[A-V-8R]

767 Captain, 16 years with Company (UAL) Gross $18,700 @ 85 hours, Take Home much less with three ex wives.


Here, they take the prostitution money out of your pay before you ever see it.

I think 11% additional into the Pension Fund, (Provident? I don't speak English), another retirement fund is funded by years of service time Final Average Earnings over best three of last five years times a multiplier...

Actually a very good job if one was never interested in women........

[crazy_max]

B737-200 and 700 FO, in Saudi Arabia....
$7100 usd, no tax and a house, not bad but the place just s**ks.....

[crazy_max]

B737-200 and 700 FO in saudi......
$7100 usd , including housing and NO benefits. Very little flying(about 50 hours)
It's good but yes, it is in Saudi Arabia, so is it worth it???????????
HUMMMMMM????
If any of you been around here you know what i mean.

merry christmas everyone

[Jopa]

F/O on the B767 for Lan Chile, after 4 years my paycheck is CLP 1,400,000 (sounds a lot!) it's +/- GBP 1680. In 13 years I should be making the same :)

[mobydick]

Nov. was best month ever! $29500 USD before tax. Most months $23650 for 16 days. A 330 check pilot.Did take me 35 yrs. to get there.

[CONES R US]

a blonde honey from the xmas party, and a nasty little rash!!

[semirigid rotor]

North Sea Capt. 3 years £2077. But I do get a free rubber suit and the chance to fly 6 hours without even a cup of coffee! No wonder 1 in 4 of us has got a fixed wing licence!

[Fly76737]

Captain B737 city Bird 3 years seniority £1640/month after tax a REAL JOKE!!!!!!!!

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[fly737]

2350 GBP this month with 3 years seniority and all per-diem.
Cpt 737/EFIS....VIRGIN EXPRESS in BELGIUM


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[Rigsby]

Capt. Virgin Atlantic. £3500 ish..Historically not the best payers, but I,m well looked after judging by the replies on this forum....

[Stuka]

MobyDick:
Wow! would you mind telling me where's this?
And if they hire 767 drivers.

[northern boy]

Virgin FO year 2 GBP2400 after pension contribution deducted. (bad month for allowances).

[Staysafe]

Britannia Airways - Scandinavia

2nd year FO Oslo 7576

£ 1700, 20 days of work a month.

But listen to this... My previous job was on contract flying captain on a 30 seat Do-328 in the south of Italy: £ 4100. Free housing. Free flight back to Scandinavia every 3 weeks. 3 weeks on, 2 off. Man! Why did I leave that wine and food... and the gorgeous girls?...

Prior to that:

US Airways Express, 3year FO Do-328, £ 1400. Average 14-15 days off a month.

Does anyone know why it is such tabu to question your salary here in Europe? Look at how things are in the states. We are litterally being paid US commuter pay flying 200+ passengers here in Europe.

Gentlemen.. and Ladies.. You have invested so much time, money.. taken so many chances, sacrificed so many things on the way. Why not ask for what you are worth.

Let's get the pay-ball rolling!

[Staysafe]

Lawerboy,

So sign up. We all have that option don't we? 12 years ago when I went to the US to learn to fly, my buddys were laughing at me. They were comfy in their jobs... the little apartment, the cute girlfriend and a relatively new Audi.

I refuse to feel guilty because other professions pay less. I applaude the US pilots Union ALPA for being able to get the pay to where it is. Euro will most likely follow in some way. In the US, Ailine Pilot is the second highest paid profession. Only surgeons as an average are paid better.

So, sign up. And keep us informed about your career advancements.

[Pandora]

Now I'm worried. BA 737 FO, 1yr. Last pay packet was £1854 and that's including the Christmas bonus. After paying my huge 'dahn sarf' housing costs have no money left to buy food, so have to fill up on crew meals.

[big buddah]

PA32 300 1.5 yrs(at current job) NZD500 pm
25hrs pm flying, duty time whats the limit?

[Stampe]

Britannia B738 2nd year Captain 13 years in company flat month not working no allowances 3300 stg. take home and on a good busy month 4100 stg.This is after all stoppages and my rise from FO. to Capt in BY was only about 200 a month stg.take home.All these figures after all stoppages including pension.Its still a totally inadequate figure given the disruptive lifestyle when we are busy and little time at home,also the high cost of living on some of our extended layovers in Scandanaviaca easily consume all duty pay plus more.

[Stop Stop Stop]

F/O Fokker 100 KLM uk with just over 4 years seniority on Amsterdam Detachment: £3,400 take home each month (fixed) but no extra allowances and I have to pay for own accommodation in the Netherlands.

[Tankie]

Think yourselves lucky. I'm one of the lowly majority that look after the walk on freight in the rear.

I took home £750 this month, and I thought that was a good month. I still have a mortgage and car to run.

Why all the moaning!!!

[Mother]

Tankie, You forgot to say that you are with Virgin!

[Sir_Fly-a-Lot]

I Couldn't resist chaps, beat this !
- Captain A300B4 Freighter
- 5 years seniority
- After tax just GPB 1081,= to take home !!!
- Life like a Vampire, never see daylight !
(If you think that's bad, a new f/o gets
about GBP 513,= after tax.)

P.S. Seen the DHL advertisement in FLIGHT ?
Does anyone know what they pay a Capt A300 ?

[Dan Winterland]

Military 4 jet command. £2250 after tax, NI, house and council tax. But only very little in the way of an increase possible - that's why I'm leaving.

[FAAJAA]

Stuka- MobyDick is with US Airways...the only people I know of that fly A330 in the US. They do Hire 767 drivers, but who knows with the United merger. BTW, 35 years of seniority to get there.
Anyway to add to the Fire: Flight Instructor at a Major Florida School, throw jumpers out of planes on the weekends, sit RHS on the odd CJ when I wash one. Took home 2900USD last month after taxes. I guess I should send my CV to a Commuter...but who needs a pay cut?

[BenThere]

Northwest Airlines 3 year DC-10 Engineer
$103/hr X 75 hrs guarantee = $7,725.
Int'l Override +$4/hr
Per Diem $2.10/hr away from base
State and Federal Taxes $3,060.
Total Net $5,490
Minimum 15 days off/month

[fantum farter]

F@ck me I'm Poor !!!!!!!!

[qwertyuiop]

Monarch F/O 2 years. After tax and pension deductions but with allowance £2900. Sometimes better, sometimes worse.

[Spearing Britney]

European A320 F/O, Year 1, £1700 after tax, pension, insurance, etc. but with allowances.

Forgot to add after £850 p/m company loan repayment for training.

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[GK]

CX 744 capt. HK$ 3.3 million per TT

[Roadtrip]

See the following web site for current contracts and pay scales for major US airlines:

http://www.airlinepilots.com/Contracts.htm

[paddle]

I make US$4300,- a month no tax approx. 14 days off a month, one month off a year with the ticket paid. Captain on a ......................Beech1900C.....flyingboxes in the middle east. Wouldn't do it for less.

[skidcanuck]

Are these salaries pre-tax?

[Herc Jerk]

Twin Otter capt. Africa. Take home ~GBP 3140/mth (at todays exchange rate).

Thanks Cream Crackered and everyone else. Very interesting topic!

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[Fanny Batter]

Purser BA Worldwide LGW £3200 (about average)
No stress, nice trips (for me anyway) etc.
Ex other half is B737 capt I regularly topped his take home.
Now happily single!!!

[BenThere]

Fanny Batter

I thought maybe if...like...how 'bout...Are you doing anything New Years' Eve?

[152]

Fanny Batter

I would be interested to know how much a new hire would get in comparison to yourself.
EG. Same aircraft, same base etc.


152

[G-SKIP]

Some camparssions within my family

Me - Telephone Sales Svpr (Res in most peoples books) GBP1300 good month (1st Year leaving to work as it sales GBP1700.00 + comm)
Wife Teacher GBP1800 (8 Years)
Dad- Arichtect GBP5500 (30+ years)
Mum- PA GBP550.00 (25+ Years)
Brother- Computer Progrmmer GBP7000.00 plus bonus (for a rather large bank)(2 years
Sister- Account GBP1400.00 (8 Years
Brother-in-Law - Post Room Manager GBP1000.00
(15 Years)
Sister-in-Law - Local Govt Admin GBP1000.00
(7 Years)
Other-Bro-in Law - Police Man GBP2700.00 (10 Years)
Father-in-Law - Joiner GBP750.00

just a bit of info

[JohnJ]

Anyone know what helicopter pilots take home?

[Flying Clog]

...a bad case of herpes and an earache!

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[Herc Jerk]

What a Gem!! Thanks Clog!!
:) :) :) :) :)

[air-fair]

Channel Islands base Turbo-prop F/O

£1500, not a lot when you consider we get good tax breaks here.

[wysiwyg]

Air-Fair - at that salary I think you'll find the 'tax breaks' are negligible. You only start to get ahead if you would have been a UK higher rate payer. Just out of curiosity are we talking Guernsey or Jersey?

Regards
wizzy
(ex-Channel Islands turboprop FO!)

[Son Of Piltdown]

Midland Captain:-

Just over £3000. Allowances cover expenses so don't count. Great crews - awful rosters with long turnrounds and max duty days.

[prez]

FedEx A-300/310 FO, third year pay. Last four months of 2000, with vacation in Oct. (off for 35 days). Averaged $12,074.00 USD (about 8,213 GBP) per month gross pay, and $9,449.00 USD (6,447 GBP) after all deductions and taxes. Not paying much tax because of where I live though.

prez

[CONES R US]

weekly pay of around £1500 STG. Self employed, so work out my own tax from what I take as a wage. Some contracting Engineers can earn double this if you put in the hours

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NO FAULT FOUND

[neverinbalance]

Police helicopter UK - £2200

[High Viz Vest]

Freelance corporate / air taxi LHS and RHS small business jet driver before tax about £2000 average.

[PNVS]

Army Air Corps Pilot helicopters (Non Officer) £2400 in the bank basic. Just say yes sir to everyone and smile, easy life!

[TexasStewCrew]

$0000.00! I had vacation and gave away! Funny, my husband says "The more I make; the less you work"! I like that! Back to the flying next month. Just a pilot wannabe at heart!

[downgreen]

Hi there
Lufthansa cityline canadair f/o about 1000 GBP after tax!!!
holly s..., I would not even know what to do with a salary of fedex!!!

[Cmdr Data]

A couple of years ago we had this chap in the flight deck for a visit. He said, "so, you blokes must be on a fair old whack"? "Yeah" I said, he`s (pointing to the Captain)on £2 million/year and I am on £1 million. Oh! he says, "I thought you would be on more".

[Jetheat]

Unemployed F/O
Still looking for first job.

£100000000000000 / month

[RRC767]

Brazilian Airline, F/O 767, 8 years with company, flying SO.AM, USA, Europe:
US$ 1800,00 Gross. Net salary: better not!!!
This to fly 45 hrs ttl with 15 nite.
For 70 hrs ttl and 35 nite - US$2300,00 gross

[Awakevortice]

Air Atlanta Icelandic 1st yr FO 747 classic. US$ 175 / day. $70 / block hour o/t for >75 - 100 hrs in any one month.

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[MachOverspeed]

Jet Aviation, KDAL based King Air 200 PIC. 13 months with company. $3000 USD per month gross...minus taxes and child support. Good insurance though, 401K, opportunity to fly Gulfstreams/Canadairs/Falcons, etc.

Recently turned down FO position on Westwind. Would rather log PIC turbine in the King Air...have 500+ hours SIC in Falcon 20 already.

NBAA median salary for USA King Air 200 PIC, pulling charter duty is $45000.00 USD per year plus benefits. Reported high, in excess of $60000.00 per year.

They say we're getting raised to NBAA standard in the near future. Better do it soon though because everybody is leaving...we're down to five pilots at KDAL, can't launch all the ships we have.

All in all, not really a bad job. Average ten days per month flying, about 40 hours per month (that will pick up now that we're so short-handed). Most trips out and back the same day. Company picks up 100% expenses.

Need another 600 hours PIC Turbine to apply at Southwest!

[Al Timmeter]

727 pilot for small, scheduled US carrier.

Capt pay 12 yrs at the end of this yr is $118.10/hr with 65 hr month. Tops in 2004 at 132.85/hr

FO pay at 12 yrs is 80.45/hr tops at 87.91

FE pay at 12 yrs is 68.17. Tops at 73.41

New hire FE is 40.41 and FO is 45.69

ALPA on the property with contract.
The Company is small (7 planes, only 5 fly) and of the 25 crews, around 15 do most of the flying. Reserve will fly you around 30 hours per month if you are lucky.
No retirement, 401k, limited pass benefits or other perks.

[chinchaser]

Britannia FO year two Take home GBP 2000 plus GBP 100-200 month duty pay at 2.39/duty hour . tedious when it's all base to base, bucket and spade brigade!.

[smarties]

a Friend of mine at

Airline appointments for 3 years.

Capt B727, night cargo operations, EU
8 days on/6 days off.

Per month, after tax : £4000 + £432 house allowance + £110 airline tickets allowance.

average perdiem : £400

no pension, no benefit, no sickness coverage (if you are sick, you don't get paid), can be fired without notice for almost any reason (i.e. you get sick at outstation thus the aircraft is delay = fired. If you are sick and "in the opinion of AA" this is going to last, you get fired etc. Written in your contract), no rebate ticket (except 50% with Sabena).

Pay is OK, contract is SLAVERY.

Cheers

[Diesel8]

A-320 Capt. USA around $5700 month after tax. 82 hours of flying with 14-16 days on.

[Gear_lockedNG]

F/O 737NG in Transaero
500USD per month max with
very bad weather, bad managment,
average fl. time 650h per year.

[Gear_lockedNG]

Transaero Airlines
Capt 737NG-700USD
F/O 737NG-500USD
All this with difficult
weather,bad management etc.
I feel pity for my friends.

[Gear_lockedNG]

Transaero Airlines
Capt 737NG-700USD
F/O 737NG-500USD
Capt 737-200-500USD
F/O 737-200-380USD
I feel pity for my friends.
They do great work, but have no
choice.

[cb_35]

Tyrolean Airways, Capt.:4000US$ (2700GBP),
after tax, incl. all per diems,800h/year

[chihuahua]

Year 1 F/O easyJet. £2,600 - £2,800 pm after tax. Further voluntary deduction for pension.

[Jet Man]

Is that 2600-2800 pm easyjet take home for "long, medium, or short haul" or doesn't it make much of a difference?

[cb_35]

Hi Chihuaua,

How much does an eJ 1 Year Capt take
home/month. In their Flight International
adv.they say its 67K. Is that with or without
allowances, per diems,..?

CB_35

[This message has been edited by cb_35 (edited 24 January 2001).]

[justinzider]

cb_35

I think you will find that 67K is EVERYTHING included.

But don't forget the 30K sign on payment. How many will go and swallow the drachma?

[JR/FO]

The major differences I see across this board are the direct results of what unionized pilots earn vs their counterparts. American unions such as ALPA and the FPA have worked hard over the years to negotiate enviable salaries, benefits, and work rules for their members.

Would it be safe to say that if ALPA was in Europe and Asia and the Middle East, the salaries of all pilots would be more equitable even though the cost of living may vary depending on what part of the world we live?

Anyway, I'm a 3rd year F/O at an American major and will be over 100K this year. 14-16 days a month. Great retirement, vacation, and benefits. No complaints.

Thank goodness I'm off of B-scale wages though. They set the industry back 20 years. The new B scale exists at the Regionals which is what the Majors want, seeing most of them are owned by a Major!

Doctor Bob
AirlineRumor.com...1200+ registered members (http://www.airlinerumor.com)

[AFDS]

KLM, Captain 737-300/400/800
10 years in service, gross income at current exchange rate 110'000 US $/year. After all deductions (the Dutch taxman is robbing you blind) you end up with about 50’000 US $.
I work a minimum of 17 days per month with a very inefficient schedule (60h per month)
We have a so-called preferential bid system that is completely useless.
Hotels are average, allowances next to nothing.
No jumpseat, no passes, ID-95 on highest fare (which makes non-revenue travel very expensive).
If you get sick, you receive 100% of your salary for the first year.

European unions (at least VNV) are in no way comparable to USALPA. For the last ten years they were busy with defending what they have instead of asking for more. On top of that they are very afraid of public opinion.

[FlyingCanuck]

Dropsort/trimmerman at a small cedar mill in southern British Columbia, 11 hours a day, $13cdn/hour, four days a week, not including blood, sweat and tears.

After 3 months you get medical, and after six months, profit sharing...(600 bucks every quarter).....oh yeah, they supply the hard hat and gloves.

I know this came from nowhere, I registered to reply to this forum after reading some of the other posts. All I can say is wow.

I gave up a promising career as a T.V videographer to persue my dream. No not working at a lumber mill.... but to fly.

Now before you flame this post, I know...you can't eat dreams, dreams don't keep you warm at night and no, I don't want to work for free.

I am putting myself (with the help of a few banks, relatives, and friendly loan sharks) through flight school.

Currently I am just finishing my Commercial license and will be starting my Multi/IFR rating within a month. Total Time...148 hours.

I don't expect to get rich flying. All I am looking for is a lifestyle job. I love to fly. If someone wants to pay me $50 000 Cdn (about $35 000us) to fly eight months out of the year...sign me up.

But then I'm just starting out, don't know anything about unions, duty hours, seniority.

But I do know how it feels to get a 18 foot Cedar 1x6 slapped across the face, or how it feels to have a 24 foot 6x6 drop on your shoulder.

All for about $60 US a day.

Please this not an attack on you or your wages. I don't really know why I posted this....therapy maybe. It's hard to keep getting up at 3am and go to war with wood.

Take it easy fellas/ladies, and I hope to see you in the skies one day.

[email protected]

[CrashDive]

FlyingCanuck, gulp, yeah, been there done that too (albeit not in a sawmill - but, you name it, and I've done it ! ) - and have also taken a pay-cut to fulfil my dream.

So, never give up (we know you won't) because flying is a truly great job - even if we sometimes lose sight of that fact (when we eventually get to do it for a living); yep, it'll challenge you, drive you, force you, endear you, envelope you, and a whole host of other things too.....

Of course in all things (especially all things fiscal) life isn't fair, i.e. there will always be folks on the ladder both above and below you, and if flying is all about money, then quit - because you'll never get rich working for an airline (well, very few do).

Some months ago I read an obituary in The Times w.r.t a certain Geoffrey Page (1920-2000) which, if paraphrased, read something like: "Flying a beautiful aeroplane for a living, combating one's wits and skill against the elements, was to live (or die) with every fibre of one's being... I met some wonderful people, saw some wonderful sights, generally had a superb time, and I would not want to change one moment of those wonderful years, " …………. So hands up who would trade-in a flying job, for something more lucrative in an office ? Uhm, not many !

Thus to have a dream, and to strive towards it, is possibly the most rewarding thing that one can do with our lives aboard this mortal coil. FlyingCanuck, I wish you much luck with your dream.

Ps. Never give up !

[L2000]

KLM Cityhopper, Captain Fokker50,
5 company years, 3000hrs total,
46 hrs/month flying time avg, 5 on
2 off. 500-600 hrs anually.

After tax: 2700 euro
Before tax: 4250 euro

Multiply by 13.5 and you get more or less
my annual income.

[This message has been edited by L2000 (edited 29 January 2001).]

[jetfueldrinker]

£1800 after tax. I worked 203 hours for this. I am a licenced tech with one approval with a 'major charter airline' in the UK. And flight crew thought they had it tough!

[HootsMon]

Dual licenced engineer,third party co.three aircraft types,average £1800.Crap shifts.

[Flying Kiwi]

585 GBP putting food on planes here in NZ. Work six days a week, 4:30 am start everyday. Thought of the LHS of a nice big shiney jet is enough to get me up in the morning. Half-way through first part of OATS distance course to convert my NZ frozen ATPL so I'm a wee way off yet.

Oh well, if you want to be the top banana and all that.

Back to the study.

Hasta luego.

[FirstClass]

Qatar Airways Captain first year A320 Approx 7000 US /month. No Tax. No pension, all incl.
9 Days off. 75 Hrs A lot of night flying but sunny days at the beach. No woman no cry!!!

[BlueUp]

Hapag-Lloyd F/O 737 2nd year 5.500 DM net (10000 DM gross), Capt 737 2nd year 10.500 DM net (17.000 gross), average p.m, 850 hrs/yr including overtime, bonuses... Company pays little pension, appr. 800 DM p.m. after being 25 yrs with company.
Capt. 17 yrs approx. 16.000 DM net (26.000 DM gross) p.m.
All net salaries as taxed as single. If married, net increases significantly (at least on your pay slip).

[Wrong Password]

Air ambulance helicopter UK, 7 years with employer.
Cramped, noisy. Carrying stretchers through mud. Interesting landing sites
GPB 2100

[Bullit]

Hallo,
2nd year as a F/O on Dash-8 with AA/Team Lufthansa.

Average net income: 1600 Euro/month, but I worked only 650h in 2000.

Are there any other Dash-8 F/O ?

[Tropical Storm 7B]

Gulf Air 767

Capt. approx 7500$ p.c.m

Varies a little, but no Tax

its the 2 months Vacation that I like best

[MileHi]

I took a hostie home earlier this month, and she's STILL there!
I'm beginning to worry!
:rolleyes:

[The flying gunman]

Police firearms officer in London
currently half way through ATPL.Enter buildings with armed and dangerous criminals inside,if I make a mistake looking at a murder charge.
Take home approx £2300 pcm

[long final]

self employed, around £4500 gbp last month, and im gonna give it all up to fly for a living?
Tell me Im mad, but it gets yer.