What Did You Take Home This Month?

[Sariah Zub]

A320 captain, British Mediterranean. Take home pay varies with workload due to long slips and allowance rates.

Reasonable pension and other benefits. (they don't give you £30k to join them, but we certainly get an easier life than those that do!!! Payrise on the way though!!)

A busy month = £4100
A quiet month = £3400

[Sariah Zub]

Whoops!!

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[mach86uk]

VIRGIN ATLANTIC
747-400 f/o take home after 6%deduction of pension contrib. £2300.
no allowances to talk about,barely adequate to cover.
no wonder we are asking for more !!!!

[L1011 Flyer]

RAF L1011 Captain
£2840 GBP last month. Very happy to swop for Virgin Atlantic £2300 with no secondary duties, no station duty officer, and ability to tell the wife when Ill be home without crossing fingers.

[Raffles]

Hey L1011 flyer you would slip straight in as loads of ex sqn chaps there already!!

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"Tally Ho"

[FourGreens]

Luxair FO FK-50, 1.5 years in the company take home net LUF 100.000 = Euro 2.500 plus ca LUF 15.000 allowances.

Not too bad for the little amount of work we have at the moment - around 40 hrs/month.

[bobo]

Capt A320/CRJ 2500€

[Offchocks]

Qantas Capt. on 767..... on average payed about US$5200 per month after tax and retirement contributions, does not include meal allowances.
770hrs flying a year, 11 days off a month and 6 weeks holidays a year.

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[Airking]

Capt. KingAir B200/Citation 2/5
9000.- German Marks / month BEFORE Taxes.
10 years with the Company , 5 Years Captain.
Also Manager Flight Ops & Maintenance Manager.

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[GoodVibes]

SCY F/O (A300) 2,320 STG basic after tax + 200-1000 STG tax-free in allowances.

Gnarling! :)

[N2000]

Offchocks

I have a private query for you on QF, could you email me at [email protected]

Ta

[Checkboard]

Aussie 737 FO, 6 years in Company. Last month took home $AUS7,150 (= £2610 = $US3780) which was a big month.

That buys me about:
1190 pints of beer, or
2550 std (285 ml) glasses of beer, or
1490 std Bourbon & cokes, or
204 tanks of petrol for my car, or
one ninth of a BMW :)

Usually around $AUS6,700/ month after tax. That includes travel/meal allowances.

Company provides Loss of Licence, superannuation (pension), free car parking & up to 12 free trips per year (on our network, for me only) on top of that.

Fly about 70 hours per month (note to the non-industry types : this number doesn't come close to the number of hours spent at work, or even spent "working". Office time and positioning is only counted at 50% of the actual time, planning duties and time spent away from home isn't counted at all.), 13-15 "days" off (average), six weeks holiday.

By "days" I mean (for those not in the industry) getting home at midnight, then having to get up at 4am the following morning wipes out most of what a normal (i.e. non shift) worker would consider to be a "day off".

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[togathrust]

Monarch F/O 3 years.
Rarely less than 3k per month sterling after tax including allowances. Good company, new aircraft, very happy.

[Fifty Above]

GO Captain after April:
Basic: £3500
Sector: £ 850 (40 sectors/4 nightstops.)
Total: £4350 (a good average throughout the year i.e. no summer feast/winter famine.)

[TE RANGI]

Yet one more for the record:

Spanair, MD-80 Capt, 3.5 years in position,
purely line capt, no extra chores. Base PMI.

Last month was a "bad" one. After tax:

euro 5428 = $ 4920 = GBP 3410

2000 monthly average, after tax:

euro 6905 = $ 6257 = GBP 4337

[Laker]

US Regional turboprop FO
US$1,350/month Before taxes!

Have a family member who works for US major and makes US$24,000/month before taxes.

[biggles 101]

Senior first officer Ryanair (3 YEARS)£3400 POUNDS NET STG last year i did 870 hours

[Brillig]

SFO BA 744 middle seniority
£4010
Just under 900 hours this year!

[Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang]

Why the glum face, Brillig?

If you don't like it, I'll do you a swap.

[vnavspeed]

Britannia 3rd yr FO £2000 + £200 allowances. And the new pay deal is not going to help this very much.

Are we the lowest paid 767 FO's in the UK?

[rollercoaster]

JMC capt. No flying last month, so no allowances whatsoever - £3250 after pension cont.

[company man]

727 captain, on average basic of £3200 after tax then expenses of £600 -£1000 if i work hard, not bad but mainly night work ........roll on the 8 on and 6 off roster. considering im in my early 30s compared to my friends its good money.

[AMEX]

Cessna Grand Caravan pilot. Private OPS, I do the flying (single pilot) and lots of other things like narketing the aircraft for the summer, pasking our product (+loading the A/C). Hardly have days off, no overtime paid (despite asking for it) and always put in the worst hotel the company can find (the cheapest one).
£1432.87 after tax.

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If you can't save the engine...save the airframe :D

[Blowchowski]

Apprx. $4000.00 USD I am the guy that builds your shiney new chariots, specificly the 777.
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[TEMP0+TSRAGR]

BA DEP f/o on shorthaul after one year : £3200 this month, average £2900 with max pension contributions.

I took a pay cut from my last airline, but their is a significant jump at 5 year point onto SFO scales .... or onto Capt. scales.

Plus the crew meals are something else !!!

[marshall.m]

okay guyz i made $7m last month in england alone rapping in manchester n london. and now im gonna get ripped off by my darlling wife Kim and my f****ng b***h ma ooooohhhhhh nnnnnnnnoooooooooo. Hey stan how ya been keeping.

[Petergozinya]

Blowchowski! Ahhh, my polish drinking buddy! LOL :) :)

[invinoveritas]

BM (or should i say bmi) f/o, second year increment. after the impending pay raise(~4%) and assuming (maybe naively) a 3% rpi i look at clearing £2750-£3200 per month. this is including all elements of flight pay and is after pension contributions (~£250). the variable figure is primarily due to how much you can milk the overtime, and it can be milked.
contracted at 740 hours per year, 10 days off per month, 6 weeks holiday. average 8-10 nights away per month.
it could be worse, it could be better, but it is what it is.

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now is it the wine or the truth i'm after?

[wonderbusdriver]

(5 year)SFO A340 (11 years in company)

ca. 5200 Euros after taxes etc. for 82 Blockhours.
CP (737,320,757,MD11F) will be ca. 10% rise.

Our demands are "utopian"...

[NB]

Air France FO A320, 3 years Seniority, 3200 GBP/m after tax.

[Denti]

F/O Deutsche BA B733, sixth month in the company, 2300 EUR with about 19 hours overtime.

Got the job with 420 hours total time including 190 hours glider time.

Greetings, Denti

[HotDog]

Retired 747 F/E after 33 years and 20,000hrs. AUD13,600 p/m allocated pension, tax free.

[piper737]

Sabena Cpt737 12years
STG:2600,- after tax incl per diem

[Stone Throwing Bob]

£3500 before tax, multi engine rotary mil pilot, + overseas rates of approx £450 depending on exchange rate, cheap rent, cheap scran, free uniform (one colour only). I'd do it for 'nowt! (Well maybe not). :)

[JJflyer]

VIP B727 F/O 2nd year.
Base salary 6000 USD/month
Perdiem 150 USD per day + 20 USD Breakfast allowance.
March 2001 income 10400 USD.

No benefits
No retirement
No Housing
No Insurance or medical
No contract no security
Very little flying. Less than 50 hours since Jan 1st.
Salary a month late constantly, perdiems more than 6 months late.
On Standby 24 hours a day 365 days a year.

There must be better jobs around... So why do I stick around... Well I have 27000 reasons to do so.

JJ

[jetstreamdriver]

Captain with regional in US.
Brought home $2600 last month .Flew about 98 hours .

[BJBATMAN]

jetstreamdriver

It sounds like you need a raise!!

[jetstreamdriver]

Tell me about it.
My airline is 121 but has grandfathered 135 crew rest and dutytimes so I am actually scheduled for 113 hours this month!!

[Capt. Horatio Slappy !!]

Empire Airlines ( FedEx Feed F-27 )
46 k In first year not including per diem for Captains, 24 k for F.O.'s

[lets go nads]

Britannia F/O 3rd year £2000 + 200(flight pay) £2.39 /hr. Seems like our company has now managed to become the bottom feeders in terms of pay for 767 drivers in the uk.Time to find pastures greener!!

[BJBATMAN]

Jetstreamdriver,
I didn't know anybody else besides us did that. I fly 121 and waivered to pt 135 duty times and then waivered to Alaska duty times.

[15/15 flex]

2900 GBP minus 300 quid for a rather nice house in the colonies, plus cost of living at North American prices............WBGG!!

;)

[MachOverspeed]

Jet Aviation, BE200 PIC, Based KDAL

Just got raised to 55000.00/yr $USA. Previous rate 36000.00/yr $USA. Management finaly climbed off the bucks after recent takeover (formerly Jet East Inc.)

Gulfstreams and Canadairs coming soon, another big pay increase. Maybe I won't go to Polar Air Cargo (B747FO) after all. Will sleep on it.

[DirectLaw]

F/O A320 SABENA 3years seniority
1450GP/month....

[FATDUMNAPPY]

Cessna 210 "Captain" 1560 Australian Dollars per month. However when you count all the duty time that works out to be about $4.60/hour. USD about $2.30 GBP Not sure but about l.60.

Worked my but off in hot humid conditions. Was threatened with physical violence by a pax. Had a rock thrown at the plane. Wash plane about 8 times a week. But I cant complain knowing whats ahead.

FAT

[curry]

LTU F/O 757/767, 5 years with company:

Euro 3400 net(married), Euro 5100 gross.

And it could get worse after Swissairs success in ruining that company.

[basil fawlty]

last job- corporate 727 FE. $US 3000 pm "tax free", only averaged 25 hrs per month flight time and LOTS of standby/on call duty. No benefits package at all, but very good hotels and fairly generous "cash in envelope" bonuses (About $ 6000 pa.)
Made redundant, so currently earning £ZERO from aviation!!


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[beaconoutbound]

JMC Bus Capt, been with company 7 years in all it's previous guises, £4000 + 300ish per mnth duty pay. Vitually no flying in the winter coz most of the fleet is in the US on contract.
Final salary pension, good holiday concessions, six weeks leave p.a. loss of licence and PHI paid by company.
Looking at the recently published BALPA pay schedules it looks like we're pretty much top of the UK charter sector - anyone know better?

[BavarianBoy]

BAE 146-in the UK.. take home around £2050 per month inc. duty pay.Pension is good but i don't think many of us intend to stay long enough to get the benefits. Averaged 700 hrs per year, 6-8 nights away each month. Pants management great crews, fun aeroplane! Morale very low but the Esacape Committee is active in helping you "under "the fence and across the river to freedom... well.. a better job anyway. Oh, forgot to mention the horrendous bonds we have to sign, crap crewing, crap OPS, management as useful as a chocolate tea pot but great hosties!!
Any chance of ALPA taking over BALPA!!hehe!

[XFO1-11]

BA Capt B737 Take home 4100 GBP Average.
12 Years in Company.

[lets go nads]

there is talk of 65 to 70 pilots leaving Britannia, the lowest paid airline ship 2001-2002. The pay scales are an abortion which other airlines out there can have a senior first officer maybe earning more than a new promoted captain..CU

[Speedbird777]

Are these figures pre-tax?
Are the stories of BA captains earning 100K+ a year really true?

[P. Jacobsen]

I don't know guys, but why not start a new career as a Contract Pilot. How to do it? Visit my website: www.cockpitforum.com (http://www.cockpitforum.com)

[Underdog]

It is truly diverse out there. Even within BA there seems to be a large discrepency; it seems that Shorthaul is where the money is if you're junior.

After 3 1/2 years flying the 747-400 may average take home is 2700GBP, last month it was 2550GBP. Only 3 times in as many years has it been the right side of 3000GBP!

This can be attributed to the vast difference between a good (senior) line of work and a poor (junior) line. This vast difference doesn't exist in S/H, so everyone gets an even hand dealt to them.

Here's hoping Lufty really do get their 30%!

ATB,

Underdog

[noblues]

Underdog - BA DEP on A320/LHR, less than 2 years seniority. In 1st year, best take home was £3250 normal month, best overall was £3600 with 3 days draft (4 sectors over 3 days !). I suppose the average is around £2700, but that will only get better as new people pile in below and we get longer tours.

[Hot Wings]

Speedbird777,

There are BA Capts. who earn over 100,000GBP per year but this would be including allowances, etc. Also being a training captain would boost your pay. However, most of these pilots will have retired within the next 5 years - with their replacements earning considerably less.

Sadly, even the highest paid Captains at BA earn less than many F/Os at United and Delta, where a wide-body F/O will earn over $160,000 per year and a senior Captain well over $300,000 per year.

[Nacaduck]

In my opinion the salary is only part of the equation and it falls a poor second to lifestyle.
All the money in the world will not compensate for a broken marriage/family.
As a Captain on a regional TP I take home £2500pm, more than £1000 less than my previous job, RHS shiny Jet.
I don't night stop, work about 60 hrs pm, short turnarounds mean that most of my duty time is spent flying - great life. Even on a late I'll be at home with my slippers on by 20:30.

An earlier poster said that shorthaul was where the money is and he is certainly barking up the right tree, but it is not just money, it's the whole package.

[static]

Nacaduck,
At last a wise reply!
I fly shorthaul, CPT 737 at KLM.
I work 80% parttime, which means 14 days work per 28 days. Not bad, a few nightstops, but in general I see my family more than anybody I know.
Still make about 88.000 USD.
Good package all in all.

[P. Jacobsen]

Nacaduck & static,

Exactly what I realised after a few years as a contract/direct entry captain, and what I'm telling everone visiting my website www.cockpitforum.com. (http://www.cockpitforum.com.) What's important for you to see in a package is not necessarily what I'm looking for, or anybody else for that matter. Fact is that money can never be #1 and can never beat a good roster.

[EnnArr]

You know, its funny, all I hear day in and day out is "we don't earn enough money, the airlines pay much better" - blah! As an RAF Flt Lt on middle rate flying pay and living out, I take home £2500 GBP per month after tax. I get to fly at 50' and land wherever I want - its not all bad you know. I guess the difference is we will top out at about £3000 per month whereas you guys keep going, hey ho.

Ps Can I have a job in 8 years please!

[Iz]

P.Jacobsen, a little desparate for traffic? :)

[critcaact]

8,000 - 10,000 USD per month
Alaska Airlines B737 Captain
14 years seniority

[gaunty]

Is this any help at putting some perspective on currency relativities in your next round of bargaining.

Big Mac Currencies
Apr 19th 2001
From The Economist print edition

The Economist’s Big Mac index of currencies offers food for thought

IT IS time for our annual bite at burgernomics. The Economist’s Big Mac index was first launched in 1986 as a gastronome’s guide to whether currencies were at their correct exchange rate. It is not intended to be a precise predictor of currency movements, but simply a way to make exchange-rate theory a bit more digestible.

Burgernomics is based upon one of the oldest concepts in international economics: the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP). This argues that the exchange rate between two currencies should in the long run move towards the rate that equalises the prices of identical bundles of traded goods and services in each country. In other words, a dollar should buy the same amount everywhere.

Our “bundle” is a McDonald’s Big Mac, which is produced to more or less the same recipe in about 120 countries. The Big Mac PPP is the exchange rate that would leave hamburgers costing the same in each country. Comparing a currency’s actual exchange rate with its PPP is one test of whether the currency is undervalued or overvalued.

The first column of the table shows local-currency prices of a Big Mac; the second converts them into dollars. The average price of a Big Mac in America is $2.54 (including sales tax). In Japan, Big Mac scoffers have to pay ¥294, or $2.38 at current exchange rates. The third column calculates PPPs. Dividing the yen price by the dollar price gives a Big Mac PPP of ¥116. Comparing that with this week’s rate of ¥124 implies that the yen is 6% undervalued.

http://www.economist.com/images/20010421/cfn609.gif

The cheapest Big Macs are found in China, Malaysia, the Philippines and South Africa, and all cost less than $1.20. In other words, these countries have the most undervalued currencies, by more than 50%. The most expensive Big Macs are found in Britain, Denmark and Switzerland, which by implication have the most overvalued currencies. Sterling, for example is 12% overvalued against the dollar—less than two years ago, it was overvalued by 26%.

The greatest triumph of the Big Mac index has been in tracking the euro. When Europe’s new currency was launched in January 1999, virtually everybody predicted that it would rise against the dollar. Everybody, that is, except the Big Mac index, which suggested that the euro started off significantly overvalued. One of the best-known hedge funds, Soros Fund Management, admitted that it chewed over the sell signal given by the Big Mac index when the euro was launched, but then decided to ignore it. The euro tumbled; Soros was cheesed off.

The average price today in the 12 euro countries is euro2.57, or $2.27 at current exchange rates. The euro’s Big Mac PPP against the dollar is euro1=$0.99, which shows that it has now undershot McParity by 11%. That, in turn, implies that sterling is 26% overvalued against the euro.

Overall, the dollar has never looked so overvalued during 15 years of burgernomics. In the mid 1990s the dollar was cheap against most currencies; now it looks dear against all but three. The most undervalued of the rich-world currencies are the Australian and New Zealand dollars, which are both 40-45% below McParity. They need to ketchup.

All the emerging-market currencies are undervalued against the dollar on a Big Mac PPP basis. That, in turn, means that a currency such as Argentina’s peso, which is undervalued only a tad against the dollar, is massively overvalued compared with other currencies, such as the Brazilian real and virtually all of the East Asian currencies.

Some of our readers find the Big Mac index hard to swallow. Not only does the theory of purchasing-power parity hold only for the very long run, but hamburgers are a flawed measure of PPP. Local prices may be distorted by trade barriers on beef, sales taxes, or big differences in the cost of property rents. Nevertheless, some academic studies of the Big Mac index have concluded that betting on the most undervalued of the main currencies each year is a profitable strategy.

Hmmm would make an appendix to the work place agreement no?

[WonkyVectors]

Atco in Scotland
6 yrs valid, instructor/assessor
work 18 days pm, 2 hrs on - 1/2 hr fag break
av 8 hr shift
know excactly what im working 6, 8, 12 months from now
no paperwork
fantastic job, poor managment
take home £2300 pm

Oh yeah i get a daily bonus too:- i get to tell you guys what to do!!

[Ignition Override]

Speedbird-is some of that United widebody FO pay (must be on 744 or 777?) before the recent contract, and does it include voluntary extra flying on scheduled days off? I can't imagine that the new United pay rates will last, unless we avoid a real recession.


Those British taxes must still be murder, just like western Europe.

[Ignition Override]

And for a gross (no pun intended- dort druben) income of about US $2,000 and 4,000, or 6,000 dollars, what is your federal+ state+ city combined income TAX rate, by percentage, if you rent an apartment?

[Bash]

This just shows that comparisons are very nearly impossible. 3rd year regional Jet Captain. £3,200. Average month. No nightstops this time. No long trips and no night flights, low housing cost regional base,usually get left alone on standby. Pay increases agreed for two years and while not dramatic is way ahead of when I joined. Good prospects for promotion or bigger machinery. Got command way ahead of my expectations. Well financed company, not much chance of going under. Downside is limited routes and repetitive roster.

[The Reverend]

Britannia Airways First Officer on a Temporary Summer Basing approx £4500 PM.

It won't last though!

[spiral dive recovery]

About gbp2400 - but since I don't (yet) work in aviation this reduced to about 1850 after paying for hours to supplement my recently acquired PPL (pretend pilot's licence). Can I afford to give up the job for 18 months, and find the gbp40k or so for an ATPL? Any suggestions? You all seem such a happy bunch.

sdr

[Catans]

2 year NW Airlink Avro RJ85 F/O: US$2295, 1600 sterling

That was a good month.

[Boeingfly]

I am considering apply for SIA's 777.
Anybody could tell me how is theirs package all about? Say, average roster, benefits, allowances etc and, of course, how much you take home?
I just want to compare on what I have today.

Nice flights

[twitchy]

Boeingfly,
I had told you on other thread "Singapore Airlines recruiting policy" that a 777 driver here makes about average USD 8250/- dollors not more. Yes you wanted to know about 777 basing in LA, sorry SQ doesn't have 777 crew base in LA.
:)

[Boeingfly]

Twitchy

Yes, that's true. I din't noticed, sorry.

Warm regards

[Vlad the Impaler]

Student ATCO
Struggling along in sunny bournemouth on about £1450 a month after the tax man has his cut. See you all at the NERC boys n' girls............

[Bim Boman]

RAAF Turboprop Check & Training takes home $4,7509 (1,716 STG)

Not that position matters, all pay is based on 1. Rank & 2. Time since wings course. So one copilot,who graduated wings course three years before me, takes home $490 per month more.

The money is poor and the conditions are worse. My view is that Lifestyle = Location + Time + Money - Dissatifying factors.

[Firestorm]

What am I doing wrong? Just under £1300 including duty pay and Pilots allowance on my Tax code..............................

[fullforward]

I would like to know about being a 777 driver at SQ: how is the package offered, allowances, roster (maybe somebody forward me an example), life conditions at Singapore.
I already learned some bitter facts about it, but I would like to focus more on day by day stuff now, monthly bills etc.

[sapco2]

Airtours B757 and B767 Captain, 10 years service, take home £3100 pm. Company pension 10% money purchase scheme. Approx 60 hours pm.

[Ivan Urge]

20 years in the industry. B737 Capt in Asia. USD10,000 after tax. 21 year old girlfriend keeps me young!!

[Stuka]

Hey Ivan:
I'm an experienced(though young) B767 captain with a large southamerican carrier and good experience overseas, actually thinking of moving eastwards. I like your salary and your girlfriend. Any Ideas?

[fullforward]

Hei, Ivan,

C'mon, 10 grand on 737, after tax, WHEEEEERE!?
Oh, gimme a break, man! Or keep'n dreaming...

and Stuka, be real, Varig is better!

[fullforward]

Ivan,

maybe you work for one of the big Americans, Asia-based...but as far as I am concerned nor American or United have 737s on this location...

[Captain Airclues]

Approx £9000/month after tax.

Airclues

[MrTrigger]

Headset and pushout,£34000,before Gordons Tax Fiddles

[rodelu]

A-340 F/O with south american major carrier.
U$ 2700. after taxes.

[Ivan Urge]

Full Forward. I can assure you I can count $10,000 in my pocket a month for 65 hours flying. Apartment paid for, 10 consecutive days off a month and a free international ticket each month. If I do 75 hours a month that figure jumps to $11,000 but that doesn't happen too often.

[Stuka]

C'mon boys:
Who's pissing further? Ivan, I believe you, Just let us know if we can apply. And fullforward...I wish I flew for VARIG, but I think It's the same outfit as rodelu. He sounds hungry too.

[Blue Orion]

Ivan any chance of a few details as to which contract company you are dealing with. Are you in Korea or Japan? To my address shown thank you.

[whatsup]

SQ 747 F/O Average take home Sin$7500, with 13th month bonus and company's bonus of 6.04 months this year.

[fullforward]

OK, Ivan, so KAL is much more generous than I dare to imagine...congratulations!
I hope they sponsor again 777 ratings for we 767 drivers again!!!

Stuka: Lan Chile is that bad?

[M R Rats]

B777 Capt.
All utilities paid house and kids schooling. No flight pay but allowances down route.
5800GBP with 8 years in the company.

[fullforward]

Why you guys are so affraid to tell which airline you fly for?

M R Ratts, you fly for SQ?

[Stuka]

Hey full!
Bingo!It looks that we are in the same boat, M rat obviously works for Emirates, and you are looking for the same kind of info as me, I'll contact you by E-mail if you wish.

[M R Rats]

Fullforward
I did not try and hide the fact that I work for emirates. I just thought it was obvious.
I had been given the impression that this sting was to enable all of us to find out if we were being paid the market rate not some kind of one upmanship. We at EK only received a 2% increase this year which we were all dissapointed with, however I now see that there are alot of qualified pilots out there willing to join here for less. The pay may look good from the outside but believe me to move away from home and cope with many different standards in lifestyle is not always that easy.

[fullforward]

MR Rats

Ok, no problem here. But I doubt that there is so many QUALIFIED drivers knocking at the airlines doors begging for a job...

And yes, your definitely right, the present money is nothing when you and your family are subjected to such a big move.
I think Emirates pay was better, it is disappointing.

Stuka,
Ok, go ahead, any time you want, buddy.

[AndrewE]

AUD$96.96/ month...
will get $120.35 when i turn 16...:-)


I work as a shelf stacker at a local convienence store...still saving up to get my GFPT...then onto Qantas cadetship! :-)

[Isogonal]

Weekend Flying Instructor £200
Weekday IT Consultant £10,677

I know which one I'd rather be doing but I have a Wife, Child, Dog and Mortgage to support!

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[Alpine Flyer]

Tyrolean Airways Captain
(same pay for Dash 8-300/400, Canadair RJ and Fokker 70)

after tax and social security deductions and including tax-free per-diems

average 2250 GBP after 8 years as captain and 11 with the company

- doesn't sound exactly much when reading the other posts. (Next month and before christmas will be about twice as much because of 13/14th salary which enjoys some tax breaks. If you really want to compare you simply have to take the annual amount after tax....

Would be nice if someone could compile this into a table - maybe ECA should do this, so we don't have to spend our time on it.

Maybe Capt. PPrune could make this thread into a single file so it can be reviewed at leisure, clicking through all those pages is a bit hard, although the multitude of postings clearly shows our preoccupation with dosh :-)

[CedarBus]

Would appreciate if anybody knows anything about the pilot salaries at Air Canada, after their last labor contract!

[Frozen Falcon]

First Officer Falcon 900, Jet Aviation
3705.- US

Cheers Frozen Falcon

[Saab340Pilot]

Chicago Express Airlines (ATA Connection, owned by Amtran) ... 3rd year Captain, Saab 340B.

$3180 USD = 2286 GBP per month. (Based on 75 hour guarentee before tax, not including per diem.)

[fullforward]

Big LA carrier, MD-11 captain, 20 years veteran, USD 8,000 before tax, average. 16 days duty a month. Nice places...

[pressgotoenter]

Rossair Contracts, senior co-pilot(1900's),
Gross:$2105 for 2 months away from home at work. $437 for your off month, total for three month period=$2542, before tax. Divide that by 3 to get your average monthly income= $847 !!! You still have to buy food and drink while away on contract too.

[Skyjack]

BA 7 Year 777 SFO

Average about £3500/month after pensions / sharesave etc. taken out.

[SID the STAR]

B767 line captain, 26 flights 78 hours last month. all of that for US 8150 NET.

[fullforward]

SID

Where and for whom?

[COWPAT]

GBP15,000

That did include my annual gratuity though.

Usually GBP5,000 - 5,500

[High Volt]

Isogonal,

You'd have to pay me that much to be an IT consultant! Move north fly for a living and enjoy life.

[Percy the Stoat]

Capt. Super Puma, North Sea. £2150.00

[Carnage Matey!]

BA A319/A320 FO, 2 years

£1960 after tax and pension. 18days work, 48 sectors, no nice nightstops.

[MD80drvr]

US Airways First Officer
US$ 7500/ mo. before taxes.

[on papi]

Northern CA Falcon 50 CPT (4th year),

USD 9333/ mo
401K, Pension
Profit Sharing
Company stock at discounted rate

[Invalid Delete]

FO British World Airlines, Stansted base, B737. STG 3,100 (Good Month)
After deductions and 5% pension contribution (Company adds in 10%)
580 hrs in last year / 48 hrs per month (used to be 400 - 500 per year)

Excellent variety, enough short / long trips. Usually there and backs. :)
Rosters issued 1 week before they start !! http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif
B757 arrives soon. :)

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Invalid Delete Say "Late Pax : Off with their Heads !!!"
"....OK, well start with their bags then..."

[TE RANGI]

Did anyone care to work out some stats?

[Teco]

Emirates Junior Captain on the Airbus fleet.

*USD 7,850/mo to the pocket. That includes so-called "provident" (retirement)fund.
* No taxes
* 4 bdrm. villa with ALL utilities paid for.
* One-off Interest-free car loan
* 90% of schooling fees paid for (3 kids)
* Transportation to/from work (flt or gnd)
* Varied routes w/short layovers and turnarounds alike
* Avg. 15 days at home
* 3 yrs seniority in the company, joined as F/O
* No Union

[xdc9er]

Carribbean twin otter driver $4000.00 Tax free!

[Ghostflyer]

Hey Teco as a 'Junior Captain', how do you manage to get that much?

If you pay the minimum into the fund of 5%, you would need to earn $8250 to get $7850 in your pocket. That is over 30,000 Dirhams a month which rates you as a 10 year Captain on my pay scales.

Of course you might be counting the companies 12% contribution to the fund as money going into your pocket. Then the numbers would work but you would have no end of service benefit.

As far as I can tell a Captain with 3 years seniority after deductions and payrise actually makes $6200. If my maths are wrong, please tell me coz I'll be rushing into the office tomorrow. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif


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[CRP5]

CARNAGE MATEY you ought to come to EOG HA HA HA

[GlueBall]

Arrow Air DC-8 Capt USD 8350 (11 years)
+1.80/hr per diem,
+10/hr override above 70 hrs/month
7 consecutive days off each month
21 days paid vacation/year
2 hrs flight pay/day during layover
IBT Collective Bargaining Agreement

[Ignition Override]

Will someone describe in detail a long 12-14 hour day, which was preceded by 5 hours sleep in a noisy hotel, and how many weather/technical problems were involved, which earned some of you just part of those salaries?

A neighbor (a very fortunate CPA) down the street asked me how much we work per month, and I forgot to qualify our average 80-hour month. Forgot the preflight times, long delays with no rest periods etc, rapidly changing weather/mechanical/fuel status, living many days on lousy stale sandwiches, lousier coffee and Pepsi-Colas, and gone from home on many Christmases and birthdays, relatives' funerals...

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[StressFree]

Stansted based Corporate 737 captain (6 years with the company), £3200 take home.
2 cars (1 with petrol paid for), final salary pension, PPP and loss of licence.
Very little work! Same destinations again and again... Actually fly about 25 to 30 hours a month.Work 3 weekends a year, 2 weeks off every christmas........

Downside? Its SO BORING that I could scream!!

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[Brunitron]

Lan Chile A-340 F/O with 6 years at the company makes around 2700 US dollars.Plus 500 USD (more or less) for duty pay.

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[xriter]

Did anyone read a copy of GQ a couple of months ago? According to BALPA (their source)Airline Pilots salary (Captain) £100K-£140K!Who's that then? Ha ha!

[Engineer]

Furloughed ATLAS employee Big Zero be thankful for the money in your pockets and the job you have before you start to complain

[Ignition Override]

Engineer: You made a very good point. Many of us forget about our brethren, especially those who are "management's hostages"-locked in a cage over the the bargaining table.

[Ignition Override]

I'm very fortunate, despite the age of our DC-9 series 10, 30, 40 & 50s (our smallest jets, but largest fleet of these in the world). Our contract is about the average Captain pay for a US major, whether DC-9/737/maybe F-100. If on reserve, 12 days off. On a "block" schedule for the month, maybe 12-17 days off: it varies with type and how you bid etc. Each month different. My seniority could hold A-320 Captain (block) here, but it doesn't interest me yet.

Without a union contract, our pay and benefits would be cut by a half to two-thirds.

Many of you comment on the pay at British Airways. Here are some nosy questions: do all the BA pilots belong to "the" union, and if so, are the members serious about receiving comparable pay to the average (western) European major airlines?



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[Cream Crackered]

Engineer,

Your posting put the whole thing into perspective. We shouldn't complain, indeed!

I wish you the very best in your endeavours to find employment again.

Cream Crackered

[767driver]

Someone knows about Crossair, what they fly, tipical roster for captain (jet) and, of course, the pay?

[Teco]

Engineer,

First of all, wish you the best of luck on getting back on track. I've been there myself and completely simpathise with your situation.
Hopefully your post will bring sense into a lot of us who take things for granted.

[Teco]

Ignition Override:

Just out of curiosity, what is the take-home prize in your outfit for someone with 6 yrs seniority? And what would the base be if you wanted a junior A320 command?

Thanks!

:)

[Ignition Override]

Teco: I found our contract but would rather respond in private. Generally speaking, as 320 Captain just a modest increase compared to the DC-9.

Could you send me an e-mail? I'm leaving very soon for a visit to another town.

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[Ignition Override]

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[Do28]

Most of you will probably hurt yourself from laughing so hard, but here it goes.

Turbo-prop F/O, first year
$1300 USD
Fortunately I work construction on my days off to help make up the gap. :)

What ever it takes.

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[exeng]

Ignnition overide,

Not all BA pilots belong to the union, but about 95% do. And yes I believe the majority of those members are now very serious about recieving comparable pay to the major European airlines. Where apathy has to an extent ruled in the past the realisation that we have fallen a long way behind is focusing peoples resolve.

Members meetings have been organised in early July to discuss the agenda for the forthcoming pay negotiations with BA. Also on the table will be discussions on strategy for the very possible industrial action that will be required.

We can thank our colleagues in other European airlines such as Lufthansa for showing the way forward. You cannot read accross directly from one airline to another but their experience will certainly prove very helpful.

We have seen greater communications between the various airline unions which is a nice step forward.

There will be difficult times in the long road ahead, but it is my belief that there is now the resolve in BA to see it through.


Regards
Exeng

[londonslinky]

ba f/o sussex flying club

£2000pm after taxes/medical/money we pay back to ba for training £250pm

but before dinners club bill for entertaining young captains and even younger cabin crew!

[Techman]

$9000 after tax, not including allowances.
Rostered for 7 days on this month.

But the weather is nice.

[Chuffbaby]

Didn't see many other "freight dogs" in here so I'll add my h'aporth:
About £2400 per month take-home for First Year F/O turboprop. Still that includes a fair amount of duty pay.
The freight does not talk back either, but no hosties /on-board loos/ and if you want coffee, you bring your own flask!

Good thread, keep em coming.

[kickstart]

Well down under in OZ, light twin charter is about $1200 US dollar per month.

Although thats not the worst of it I got paid in mango's for my first flying job, beat that!!

[LimaNovember]

GIV captain GBP 4200/month after tax, VERY variable roster (average itself out to 15/15 over a period of 12 months) and based at home. So much for the upside. For the downside you will need another thread.

[N380UA]

It's one thing to throw around with numbers, the other--living coasts.

The Lan-Chile guy may not have a large number in GBP to take home but may live like a royal. Vice-Versa for a Crossair type.

I recon that once you're in the majors, where ever you are based you won't be relying on welfare.

Obviously we won't say no to more salary, regardless of where one is employed. As we no longer work for an airline but rather the Shareholders though, we'll see white Christmas in Dubai before we make large leaps in salary.

On the other hand we're not in aviation for the money. We'd be Lawyers or MDs if we went for the money.
:rolleyes:

[Smoke me a kipper]

Is anyone else trying to put some stats together?

If not then I will try to do something in the next few days.

If anyone has any ideas of what stats would be useful then let me know.

[N380UA]

Hi smoker,

Would be nice to get the stats on this on.
Its a lot of data though, I've tried and have only gotten thru pages one and two.
I hope you got more time than me; I'll give it a try next week perhaps.
Cheers
:D

[Smoke me a kipper]

Its okay i've set up similar spreadsheets at work for analysing lots of data so it shouldn't be too much trouble, it's really just a case of categorising the data and converting Dollars (US or AUS) to UK Pounds or vice versa.

I'll have a go and see what I can come up with.

[N380UA]

Thanks smoker. ;)

[B767-300]

Spanair, F/O B 767, longest sector MAD-EZE (13 hrs), six years in the company. 4210 USD (1 USD aprox 190 Spanish pesetas) after taxes.

[Marcellus Wallace]

1st Year B737-400 Captain at Malaysia Airlines RM10900 / USD2900 per month nett including allowances and productivity.

[HomerSimpson]

I've decided that I need to marry an American girl and try and get in with one of the big carriers.

Seriously, like the rest I'm not here for the money or the view, its the job were all interested in.

Homer ;)

[Capt PPRuNe]

Sorry folks but long threads like this one are causing us tremendous problems with the server. Any post with more than a hundred replies uses up tons of server CPU time and slows everything down so I am going to have to close this thread. Feel free to start up a MkII thread and I will archive this one.