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The Guvnor
3rd Oct 2001, 22:02
Iridium (who I thought had gone bust for billions) have come up with a rather neat use for their 'constellation' of communications satellites:

Iridium Satellite Proposes Real-Time Cockpit Voice and Flight Data Monitoring to Federal Aviation Administration

Tuesday, October 02, 2001

Global Satellite Capability Could Significantly Enhance Flight Safety and Security

LEESBURG, Va. – Oct. 2, 2001 – Iridium Satellite LLC today announced that it has submitted a preliminary proposal to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and other appropriate government organizations for a real-time cockpit voice and flight data monitoring capability utilizing its constellation of 66 low earth orbit satellites. The service, which would address national security concerns relating to aircraft safety and control, could be deployed quickly using commercial off-the-shelf components and the Iridium system.

“With existing systems, officials on the ground have only limited visibility into what is happening inside an aircraft in flight,” said Dan Colussy, Iridium Satellite’s chairman and an aviation industry veteran. “Using its global footprint and voice and data capabilities, combined with existing commercially-available equipment, Iridium gives ground personnel unrestricted access in real time to vital voice and data communications from the aircraft.”

The current system, which captures information in cockpit voice and flight data recorders or “black boxes” located on the aircraft, provides insight into the causes of a crash only after the fact and only if the recorders are found intact. Since the black boxes provide no information to ground control during flight, they cannot be used to intervene in the event of an emergency. Under Iridium’s proposal, the voice and data signals captured by the cockpit voice and flight data recorders would also be transmitted via existing FAA-certified equipment to the Iridium satellite constellation and sent directly to secure FAA data centers for live monitoring.

The Iridium system, when coupled with other security enhancements currently under review, could have a profound impact on aircraft safety both through active use and as a deterrent. Benefits of a real-time system include:

- Ability to provide immediate response in the event of a medical, terrorist or other in-flight emergency.
- Ability to initiate monitoring from the ground, the cockpit, automatically when flight parameters are breached or continuously as part of basic flight operations.
- Ability to record continuously for full duration of flight.
- Ability to initiate investigations in real time prior to recovery of cockpit voice and data recorders.
- Ability to use accumulated data to enhance aircraft safety, operating performance and efficiency through more timely maintenance and repair.

About Iridium Satellite LLC
Iridium Satellite LLC operates the only global system for voice and data solutions with complete coverage of the Earth (including oceans, airways and Polar Regions). Through a constellation of 66 low-earth orbiting (LEO) satellites operated by The Boeing Company, Iridium delivers essential communications services to and from remote areas where no other form of communication is available. The service is ideally suited for industrial applications such as aviation, defense/military, emergency services, maritime, mining, forestry, oil & gas and heavy construction. Iridium currently provides service to the U.S. Department of Defense under a multi-year contract. Iridium works with 16 seasoned service partners to sell and support the service globally. For more information, please visit www.iridium.com (http://www.iridium.com) or call 866-947-4348 (in the U.S.); 1-480-752-5155 (internationally).

Saab340Pilot
3rd Oct 2001, 23:30
I for one think this sounds TERRIBLE... talk about Big Brother watching! Fix security on the ground, take the FA cockpit keys away, bar the door, give me a stun gun... whatever BUT don't look over my shoulder.

jugofpropwash
4th Oct 2001, 08:13
What if the Iridium system had a simple, secret, pilot controled on switch - something he could very easily and quickly turn on in an emergency?

Blacksheep
4th Oct 2001, 09:14
Whoah there!! Getting the information off the aircraft is only part of the task. The data must also be processed and routed to the appropriate destinations. Existing distribution networks for ACARS data are horrendously expensive in terms of the cost per byte of data. If this idea were implemented, especially by a private monopoly, the profits (or more realistically, economic rent) to them are unbounded.

Where is the Cost Benefit Analysis? I can see who pays, but who exactly benefits? Millions of terrabytes of unneeded data whizzing round the wires, all paid for by the airlines and less than 0.0001% of it ever used. Mmmm, a much better market than explorers and reporters making phone calls from Antarctica or the Amazon rainforest though. I can see Iridium's point of view.

I'll accept a system permanently available for use and maintained at permaqnent readiness by by governments through, say ICAO. The technical problem of turning the data on from an aircraft in difficulties are not insurmountable, but Full-Time/ Real-Time data is a non-starter.

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Through difficulties to the cinema

Plastic Bug
4th Oct 2001, 09:54
Is it me, or are there a lot of people missing the point?

Video cameras and real time downloads only feed CNN and the like.

Just what good could come from watching an event from the ground as it unfolds? If someone takes an airplane, the damage is done. We need to PREVENT that from happening, not watch it on TV and evaluate the data.

There are a number of individuals who are skewering the management of Logan Airport because they do not have video cameras at the screening points. We see pictures of the bad guys passing through security at an airport in Maine.

If video cameras didn't stop those guys getting on an airplane in Maine, how or why in God's name should anyone expect that cameras in Boston would have prevented those maniacs from doing what they did.

Let's try to maintain a sane perspective and stop freaking out! Think like a duck. Cool and calm on the surface and little webbed feet paddling like mad under the surface.

THINK! Reasonable ideas. Something that actually works. A ban on tweezers and nail clippers is ludicrous, but it's a starting point. Eventually, things will relax, but not until we all settle down and come up with reasonable and sane ideas. And of course, cooperation from all the agencies involved.

I am absolutely sickened by the thought that the bastards who started this whole thing are wringing their hands with glee over the chaos they have caused.

Let's nip this thing in the bud.

PB

Dagger Dirk
4th Oct 2001, 11:08
The Guvnor
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/7349/YourIridiumLegacy.html
http://www.iasa-intl.com/YourIridiumLegacy.html (the Iridian/Roadshow concept)

This brilliant idea by Iridium was put to them (in the very specific terms that they have now used here in their announcement) over two years ago by the International Aviation Safety Association [IASA] - and the evidence for that is at the two URLS above (and has been there continuously, as links of IASA's sites (http://www.iasa.com.au) ever since.

The above links are also the second hyper-link in:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/RoboLander1.html

which is the RoboLander Concept of 12 Sep 01 (see http://www.iasa-intl.com/RoboLander.htm for the menu)

Also due to be "stolen" shortly.

The real irony is that if Iridium LLC Mk 1 had done more than simply reply enthusiastically to all the correspondence at the two links above then:

a. They might not have gone broke and then had to restructure (after being bailed out by the US Military just prior to having to crash-land all their constellations).

b. A system (which they're now obviously and shamelessly claiming as their own idea) might already have been in place.

One would hope that they will at least acknowledge that the specific concept was the original idea of (and put to them by) the International Aviation Safety Association. Copies of their enthusiastic email replies to the concept are at the above URLS. But then again that might not be in accordance with Company Policy (their lawyers might not permit it)..

I might add that the concept was first floated in Air Safety Week after the SR-111 crash as a very appropriate solution to the loss of DFDR and CVR data.

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