Flying the B744 with a fATPL

[chfeudpail]

Hi guys ,

just wondering , do you know FO's flying the 744 or any longhaul plane with less than 1500hrs TT ( fATPL ) ?

thanks

[BelArgUSA]

Salut -
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Inform yourself about Cargolux - They have 744s...
If one airline that would do it, they are likely to be the one.
In 1992 era, I had some 747-200 F/Os then, with 500/1000 hours TT...
Likely they still hire (if hiring anyone now) with that level of experience.
However - type rating requirements at present time unknown -
See Cargolux info in forum -
Excellent airline - Easy commute from Belgium...
xxx
Bonne chance à toi -
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Happy contrails

[chfeudpail]

Thanks mate, I really appreciate that quick answer.

happy landings

other exemples are welcome

[chfeudpail]

Just went on their website and it seems that they require a JAA ATPL.

So they would not accept CPL ( fATPL ) guys.

[chfeudpail]

Anyone knows someone flying the 744 with a CPL ?

If not , would there be any restrictions.

[chfeudpail]

very nice then,

anyway thank you guys for your time !

[Tinstaafl]

There would be a restriction: Copilot only, otherwise the same.

[chfeudpail]

I thought there might be some "insurance" matters ....

[parabellum]

chfeudpail Unfortunately there are some considerable myths around regarding aviation insurance, underwriters do not concern themselves with the experience levels of co pilots in well known and established carriers, all the necessary experience and qualifications are taken care of in the company Ops Manual, this is aligned to the company's AOC, the legal document by which it can operate.
An underwriter will, for a new operator, with, say, something like an Aztec, Navajo or Beech KingAir get concerned, and insist on what is known as a 'Pilot Warranty', they may even do it for new arrivals in the commuter market but they do not get involved with established operators with high value fleets, they accept that there is sufficient regulation already in place via the company and the regulating authority who issued the AOC. Underwriters will reserve the right to make their own judgement calls on large, foreign operators with a bad loss record .

[chfeudpail]

roger that

[Captain Airclues]

The reason that 744 operators require an ATPL is that the co-pilot acting as PIC while the captain is taking rest must have a full ATPL. It would be legal for one co-pilot to have an ATPL and the other a CPL, but for ease of rostering 744 operators generally restrict the fleet to ATPL holders.

Dave

[point8six]

The answer to your question is - yes. SIA and SIA Cargo recruited pilots for the B744 with fATPL, but only from their own cadet scheme. CAAS do not require the second-in-command to hold a full ATPL, on a 2 crew operation.
If your query is leading to a job application, neither of the above operators are recruiting DEFO's.
My personal opinion, is that with so little time logged, you would be better advised to try for a short-haul operator (multi-sector days with far more handling experience than long-haul operations). 2 or 3 sectors handling per month (if so lucky) is insufficient for inexperienced F/O's. Good luck!

[boeingbus2002]

Knew a friend who flew B744 with Oasis Hong Kong. That was his first major type rating. Prior to that he was instructing for a few years. Not sure what he is doing now.
(There was an article in a flight magazine about him and his dad who was one of the Capts)!