Reduced rest post EK ULR Ops

[Fugazi]

Nice to see there has been a reduction in rest required following ULR ops, with absolutely no input from the pilot community :D Oh and now the F/o's have to segregate all the post flight paperwork at EGHQ whilst, of course, off duty!!! :ugh: What next? And, yes I know, I should be happy to have a job!!!:ouch:

[pool]

.... press 2 and state fatigued, NOT SICK.
They will call you in for form fillings, a visit to the sypathetic doctor ... who cares, not a big deal, give them all the info ... and change the appointment three times, due kids, cat, maid etc. until they're themselves sick of the game .... wear them out with their crappy own methods. :ugh:

(oh and i'm so sooorrry, just accidentally spilled my "keep me awake" coke over the document box ... tough luck ...) :E

[Yossarian]

So let me see.....I get back from a ULR sector, let's say Mel, a 14hr15 block. I wait 45 mins after I am officially off duty for a high loader to arrive for the suddenly unable to walk passenger, finally get to EGHQ an hour after arrival and then I must take my envelope, plus the envelopes from the Dxb-Mel, Mel-Akl and Akl-Mel sectors and do the work of the admin clerks, conscientiously filing the applicable docs in the right boxes; red box, green box et al....all in my off duty time! Do I understand this correctly?

Incredible! What next? So, if in my tired and bewildered state I were to drop the whole lot in the blue box or even better, the recycling box, what can I expect? Will I be called back on one of my 9 off days this month to resort my efforts or will they allocate this to one of my 3 ADs instead? I guess it will end up as a warning letter with an admonition to focus more closely on my post-flight duties.

You better laugh or you gonna cry!

[SOPS]

I am missing something..where has this been announced?

[Fugazi]

Jeez hadn't thought about more than one set of paperwork :ouch: Madness :{

[Kamelchaser]

Fugazi,

Can you let us all know where you got the info about the reduced rest post ULR flying? I know this is a rumour forum but how about some facts for something this important?

[White Knight]

Well guys - you'll find the FCI's in your inbox on the crew portal.. I can't comment yet 'cos I can't remember what the old one said..

[Payscale]

Next step is after your ULR flight, you drive the crew car, pick up the next guy. He drops you at home and drives himself to the airport. The circle starts again... now we can share the pain with redundant drivers too, as if they didnt have pain enough :\

[Kamelchaser]

The way I read it...as little as 36 hours off after a ULR before a non-ULR sector (versus 70 before), and as little as 60 hours between ULR flights, down from approx 108 hours before. No that's just plain crazy!!!!

[Yossarian]

I was reading the Notice re the paperwork and only got to the ULR changes now. It seems that TC is getting closer to his dream of one crew operating the aircraft on a duty on/duty off basis like a ship, as he previously stated was his wish some years back.

Soon we will not need hotels at all. Those luxurious CRCs will be our home and with a bit of planning we will be able to stay in touch with our families via inflight internet. Touching down in Dxb we will be able to get a fresh change of clothes before heading off again.

Are they mad!?

[dubaiwilli]

It s not the end ! I always reminded you about the history of these region ....

They will catch you where ever you are, they are ara...

Enjoy the sandpit !

I left the shiny world and don t miss at all !

[Yossarian]

I also don't miss at all. Now say what?

[Left Coaster]

Stay in touch via internet you say? Not at 9.00 US$ a minute! No way your people let that happen seeing how he has chizzled you down to where you are now...sorry to see it...

[ironbutt57]

Touching down in Dxb we will be able to get a fresh change of clothes before heading off again.

Then again they could tighten up the space and install coin-operated washers...use the run-off from the showers..:}

[Wiley]

Showers (and bar) to go, I'm told, to be replaced by seats.

Now who would have guessed that? I think someone - moi - even predicted that right here on these pages.

All joking aside, with rosters like those promised under these new rules, I believe that the FAs' 20 minute checks are going to become a really important part of our 'safety culture'.

[fatbus]

Back to the topic: what?where is the reduction ? I read 3 local nights after and 2 local nights after for a non ULR flt

[nolimitholdem]

Why are they replacing the shower and bar with seats? They needed less than a 100 seats for the paying pax on a recent 202 JFK-DXB....:}

[White Knight]

Should be putting 380 on PEW,KHI etc - they still wouldn't be enough seats, had the blighters sitting on the roof on my last trip:p:p

[Volverine]

Are you sure that those who are axing EK conditions are ara... as you bravely mentioned before ?
Deenamouk:suspect:

[L1011]

Can the CRS team confirm that the bidding rules have changed? Or will our bids be rejected?
I know " why bother bidding?"

[fourgolds]

If the paperwork sorting thing is true . Spare a thought for the opps clerks who have presumeably been made redundant , or have they ?

[SOPS]

Judging by the mess at the paper drop off counter this morning they will need several clerks back soon. Not to much sorting going on it seems....just a lot of dropping!!!:}

[Thylakoid]

I did the paperwork thingy the other day; I just had to put the VR, fuel receipts, and the OFPs into their respective boxes. I didn't know what to do with the printed ATIS, and weather/notams ones.

It would be a good idea if the weather freaks stopped printing the weather from every possible ****hole along a sixteen hour route as well. Less paper to stash away on the way back to Dubai.

Remember, the book says you only have to "monitor" the weather at significant airports, when they are forecast to be below minima at the time you would be likely to use them. It is somewhere in the FOM, unless I am missing something.

:}:):\

[Plank Cap]

And Ladies and Gents, to return to the thread...........

Is it the case that the previously ruled requirement for 48hrs off downroute for flights over 16 hours has been dropped from the latest FCI?
The way it reads now, the downroute rest is in accordance with the specific rest plan, no longer any mention of having to have a minimum 48 hours off. These specific rest plans are of course changeable to suit the company's requirements. Time to order in a another new pad of blank ASR forms...............

[fatbus]

Wasn't the 48 hrs off downroute as a result of ASR's and never a part of the ops plan.

About the paper, I throw the acars wx/atis in the trash bag as well as the extra CFP, no requirment to keep that stuff, will help the with the weight of the FO's bag after an AKL.

[Plank Cap]

The 48 hrs off down route was (arguably) as a result of the cascade of ASRs written mainly in relation to the awful early Houston flights, with the original 24hr layover.

The 48hr layover for all flights over 16 hours was made SOP in FCI 2008-57, which has since been replaced by FCI 2009-11. Well guess what, the reference to 48 hrs off has now been removed in this latest FCI..............

[fatbus]

Thanks for that Plank