I know I should know the answer to this, but ...

[FullyFlapped]

I haven't flown for a few months for various reasons, during which time my SEP has lapsed without me spotting it. Had I not been busy at the time, I would have revalidated by experience (plenty of hours in the preceding 12 months).

The question is, can I still grab an examiner, do a quick refresher with him and then revalidate by experience, or do I have to go through the whole GFT rigmarole again ?

[S-Works]

You have to do a revalidation skills test that's all. It is not a full GFT. If you are as current as you think then it should just be a formality.

When did the class rating lapse?

[FullyFlapped]

Thanks Bose-X.

It expired in November.

[Keygrip]

"Renewal" test, Bose. If it's expired it cannot be "revalidated".

Makes no difference to end result, of course.

[S-Works]

So why make the post? An excercise in pedantry or just like reading your own words?

[Keygrip]

Because eventually people who declare that they know what they are talking about - will get it right.

Which will eventually lead to people understanding what is going on.

[S-Works]

His rating has lapsed, whatever play on words you want to use, he needs to do a test with an examiner renew or revalidate makes little difference at this point other than a play on words....

renewal |riˈn(y)oōəl|
noun
the action of extending the period of validity of a license, subscription, or contract : the contracts came up for renewal | a renewal of his passport.
• an instance of resuming an activity or state after an interruption : a renewal of hostilities.
• the replacing or repair of something that is worn out, run-down, or broken : the need for urban renewal.
• (among charismatic Christians) the state or process of being made spiritually new in the Holy Spirit.

[Kiltie]

Renewal and Revalidation have quite different meanings as far as the CAA are concerned. It is either one or the other and must be recorded as such on the form.

[S-Works]

As a point of interest the word revalidate does not appear in my Oxford dictionary or the one on my computer....

[Keygrip]

...but it does appear in the CAA and JAA licence requirements documentation..

If people *understood* the difference between a revalidation and a renewal then we wouldn't have this thread, would we?

Can I revalidate my expired rating by experience?

For UK purposes, it doesn't make a whole load of difference but, for most member states, it makes a huge difference as to the procedures and documentation for the two.

Whilst the OP was, admittedly, very likely talking about a UK CAA issued rating, this is an international forum and the answers may be different to others, so we need to get it right whenever we can.

[S-Works]

...but it does appear in the CAA and JAA licence requirements documentation..

Yes I know, I have signed enough of them in my time for people.....

However I am just arguing pointlessly at your equally pointless pedantry. He needs to do a test so it is not by experience it is by test. Renew or revalidate became a moot point, without a flight test he has no rating.....

[Deeko01]

Can anyone help me, l havent flown since 2005, only have about 90 hrs or so, no dosh or time, license last renewed/reviewed/revalidated in april 2004.

Dont play on the words just hit me with it ........am ready.......but dont say start from scratch!!!!

Help!!

[RTN11]

Has your licence expired, or just the rating?

[julian_storey]

Can anyone help me, l havent flown since 2005, only have about 90 hrs or so, no dosh or time, license last renewed/reviewed/revalidated in april 2004.

Dont play on the words just hit me with it ........am ready.......but dont say start from scratch!!!!

Ok - there are TWO issues here.

1) LICENCE - Do you have a pre JAA licence? If you do, it is valid for life. If it's a JAA licence, it will have been valid for five years. If your JAA licence was issued MORE than five years ago, then you must give money the CAA for a new one.

2) SEP (Land) Class Rating - If this was renewed / revalidated in April 2004, it would have expired in April 2006. You can RENEW your SEP (land) class rating (not revalidate because it expired) by doing a skills test with an examiner.

[Deeko01]

Thanks Julian, It was first issued in Feb 2002 and is a JAA license, am l right in saying that by April 2009 if l have not flown with an examiner would l have real problems getting it renewed thereafter?

[julian_storey]

It was first issued in Feb 2002 and is a JAA license, am l right in saying that by April 2009 if l have not flown with an examiner would l have real problems getting it renewed thereafter?

So - your LICENCE will have expired in April 2007. To renew THAT will just involve paying the CAA some money.

Your SEP (land) class rating will have expired in April 2006. This is renewed by flying with an examiner.

If you allow your class rating to lapse by more than five years, (it has currently lapsed by nearly three) then it becomes a little more complicated to renew.