The 2009 'What is your take home pay' Thread

[skiptoit]

Basic stuff, just as last year. What is your take home pay, what other benefits do you get and what airline/operation are you involved with?

Me:
Take home pay after tax: £1,600c.
UK Based turboprop First Officer, Year 1
No other benefits except very limited company staff travel

[quianor]

Flying for a belgian airline, medium haul jet, First Officer, I get about 2900 euros per month, after tax. It's per diem included.
Other benefits are reduced fare ticket on the company, as well as ZED ticket + ID on interline.
Plus interesting pension fund, loss of licence, insurance for my family in case of death. I should talk about the pretty good atmosphere in the cockpit and with the cabin crew, good meals we receive on board, usually nice hotels for night stop.

[tfly737]

Large Uk Carrier Yr 1 (not Tfly)

£3600-4000 after tax and pension contributions with options for overtime.

company pension, comprehensive staff travel, LOL, PHI etc.

[bootstrap]

Thomson Airways captain in 5th year..£4200 net (eg winter, working once a week)-£7000 pm net(eg summer, working fairly hard and seliing 4 or 5 days back) Final salary pension, private healthcare, great t&c's (possibly to be eroded by new first choice management!), 42 days leave, brochure holidays discounted 50%, incremental pay up to 20 years

[The Real Slim Shady]

Ryanair, training captain net for 85 hrs a month, £5600.

Pension, I pay £600 a month company pays £485. Staff travel as much as I want, free travel in uniform, 6 return tickets a year I can give away to friends.

Day off £235 tax free plus sector pay for that day. Leave £60 per day.

Roster...brilliant 5 on , 4 off.

I'm lovin' it.

[Starbear]

Large Uk Carrier Yr 1 (not Tfly)

£3600-4000 after tax and pension contributions with options for overtime.
that puts you on about £70,000 before tax. Year1 F/O UK? Can you confirm that please?

[south coast]

Large BizJet company
Capt: GBP 4,200 net a month plus 70 Euro's per diem for how ever many days one does away from home each month.
(normally between 15-18 a month, but with the 'booming' economy slightly less)

Very stable roster published a month in advance

LoL, BUPA, Life Insurance, Pension available, uniform provided, Medical/Licencing fees paid, 22 days annual leave.

Best job in the world!

[The Greaser]

Starbear, I think £3600 - £4000 take home is reasonable for a year 1 FO given the low taxation rates on generous allowances many airlines offer, especially if longhaul.

[TLBird]

low cost carrier FO 2800-3400.
LOL, no bupa.

[brit bus driver]

I joined the same company, the same day as tfly737...he is not wrong.

Basic month with very little flying is still > £3k take home.

Hope you manage to get to YYZ tfly...:ok:

[Flightlevel001]

Wow, you guys are lucky... I'm a yr 1 FO for a UK airline and get nowhere near these figures... :(

[kuchemann carrots]

Year 2 Freight FO. Circa £2700 pm net, with average flying.
300 Hours pa. LOL, Healthcare, Medicals paid.

[ArkeVlaai]

Arkefy F/O 3rd year and still on peanuts.
Hoping there will be a hiring boom aroud the corner far away.
Just flying twice a month though.

[MJMJKG]

Asian Carrier 10th Yr Captain no change winter summer or fall.
9 weeks off per yr and flying about 700hrs per yr

Includes all allowances and is after tax:

£15,750.00 per month

Love that weak GBP!

[bfisk]

First year, first officer, turboprop in Norway, take home about NOK 20k-25k (about £2200 or so). 7on-7off-7on-14off. Travel costs not included, but free accomodation at the base. LOL, pension, travel insurance, etc included.

[SET 18]

Guys; I started the thread last year...what's wrong with that one??

Anyway, the point of it is to tell us WHO you fly for and how much you take home so as to gauge the possibilities of working for them one day (or not).

There is little point in saying "a large carrier" or any other anonymous comment because it doesn't tell the reader much and could just be seen as pointless bluster or boast.

Come clean or don't bother because there is no point in giving half-information.

Skiptoit, you mention that we should expose which airline we fly for in the very first post and then you only say "a large UK turbo prop operator". Come on.

[Nice flaps]

7on-7off-7on-14off

Shorthaul?! Gimme a piece of that! :}

[bfisk]

Enjoying my 14 days off now. :ok:

Oh, and in case I didn't mention: Roster published for one year (!) at a time, each november.

[spoilers yellow]

BA 747-400.
Year 9 First Officer.
£4800-£5200 pcm after tax inc alllowances.
Close to 900 hrs per year.

13/14 days off pm
final salary pension.
Health care
LOL
Staff travel

[dboy]

FO Lear60
Almost 3 years exp (2y and 10month)
+-4700 eur net fixed salary plus working on off days means an addition of 450eur net
Fly around 650h a year
benefits: loss of licence, pension and accomodation and tickets paid by the company and the overnights always in 5 star hotels (ow and a visa card from the company when on duty)
3 weeks on 2 weeks off

I'm happy with it

[Murray777]

Emirates B777 FO - Year 2
£4500-£5500 pm, tax-free!
At least 14 days-off
Company Accommodation
Transport to and from airport
Full Medical and Dental coverage
School allowance for up to 3 children
42 days leave
1 free annual ticket for self and family (Y/C upgradeable to J/C)
Discount subload tickets (Y/C upgradeable to J/C)

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

easyJet Training Captain.

Slightly complex but here it is! I pay £375 pre-tax into the 2 company share purchase schemes so my net would be increased by £225 if that were not the case. Also I put 10% into the company pension scheme (£740) and they pay a further 7% regardless of whether I contribute or not. If I did not pay that 10% I would receive a further £444 net in my salary (plus the 7% into the fund which is paid regardless). In addition I get 10% of my gross salary given to me once a year as a one-off 'loyalty bonus' which comes to £5624 net or £469 per month net if averaged out.

Last month, including sector payments I took home £5200 net. If I did not pay into the share scheme and I did not put money into the pension fund and took into account the one-off loyalty bonus, my net monthly salary would be £5200 + £225 + £444 + £469 = £6338

Also get LOL but no health care.

[Beafis]

First job
Joint last year with 165 hrs total time. Typerating paid by Luxair ( 2 year bond ).

Early twenties, 2nd year Luxair FO Q400

Basic salary 4100 E
Flightpay average 300 E
Extra supplements for working on sundays/holidays

All together around 3700 E a months after tax

48 000 E a year net ( including 13th months )

13 salaries a year + profit share + stafftravel ( 2 tickets free )

Pension ( Luxair ) and healthcare paid by the company

[angelorange]

£2232 after tax and pension contributions

but I get to fly in close formation or inverted on occasion!

[darrylj]

what is LOL ?.
does that mean an allowance to laugh?.

:ouch:

[flying macaco]

XL. £60/week. 7 days off. 7 days off...be grateful for whatever you have fellas! :)

[Aussie]

LOL, is Loss of license i believe!

[wondering]

LR60 Cpt for a central European Bizjet operator (20+ Bombardier jets). I reckon you can figure out who it is ;)

Net after tax round about EUR 3000
Per diems EUR 500-900 (the usual tax free allowance)

'Normal' duty plan: 1 travel day, 7 working days, 1 travel day, 5 days off. In reality, we are on duty 5-14 days plus two travel days and have 3-7 days off thereafter. No roster in advance. Duty/Off days are planned on short notice.
No other benefits.

[Underdog]

BA 747-400.
Year 9 First Officer.
£4800-£5200 pcm after tax inc alllowances.
Close to 900 hrs per year.

13/14 days off pm
final salary pension.
Health care
LOL
Staff travel

You got that right - stay where you are......

Year 11 Airbus Captain with BA

Take home between £4500-£5100 per month - left the '400 just over a year ago and regretting it ever since.

SH payscales in BA (compared to LH) suck - we work much harder, (similar amount of days off), minimum rest pretty much everywhere, and, as you can see above, moving from RH seat LH, to LH seat SH isn't worth it (financially).

In present conditions, it will take me about another 7 years to get a LH command.

So have worked my nuts off for 5 years night-mail, 3 years charter, and 11 years in BA to finally earn what a 2 year FO in Emirates gets - makes me feel really valued! :rolleyes:

+LOL, Healthcare, What's left of a pension

(...and yes, have done my time on £60pw, 7days off, 7days off etc. - stick with it, and good luck...)

[atyourcervix73]

G550 Captain for a private owner + GLEX Capt freelance

2 weeks on 2 weeks off (available 24hrs for duty during the "on" period)
Take home approx £10200.00 pcm
450 hrs per year
Share Options
LoL at 6 times basic salary
Group pension contributions
Full medical insurance for myself and family, including dental and opthomology
Employed in a "tax haven"
Allowances paid offshore, approx £ 2400.00pcm
Business or First Class travel to/from country of residence at commencement/completion of duty period.

As my boss says....."what credit crunch?"

[AFA]

Year 6 Virgin Atlantic A340 F/O.

After tax and pension contributions:

£3946 + £610 in allowances. Fairly busy month but not enough to attract any overtime. Includes some sim payment.

Have we really got to the stage where i have to proudly tell you all i get a free uniform?? :uhoh:

[FlyingRat]

Year two FO. Certain Irish airline!

5 on 4 off.

Good Month £5500+. Bad month £1000. Tax dependant on circumstances.

One month a year £0000.

Benefits!!!!! 5 on 4 off.

[F100 driver]

KLM First Officer Shorthaul
Year 7
Part-time (80%) = 14 off in 28 days
£4600pm at current exchange rate + extra month's salary twice per year in May and December
Great pension
Free travel to/from work if you live abroad
Fly about 450 hrs/year
Staff travel is rubbish though compared to other 'majors'

[skip.rat]

BMI 13yr Capt. Monthly £4900. - oops, sorry- it went out and came back in again as £4700.:mad:Add a monthly expenses amount of between £120 - £200 depending on type of flying done.
BA longhaul FO : I echo your colleagues' comment. Stay put!

[pilot74]

Second year klm europe (cityhopper) captain.
About 6200euros a month take home- 14 month pay so average 7200euros.
500 hours a year, usually 5 on 3 off.
lol, great pension, free travel home (only home) anywhere on the klm network.
No compaints!!

[domdom01]

Austrian Airlines, First Officer Medium Haul (737), 4th year...

- EUR ~3000/month (including per diem)
- 14 month pays /year
- 5 weeks paid leave/ year
- company pays 5% of salary (before tax) in a pension fond
- good staff travel agrrements within star alliance

...very relaxed rostering (avernage 65hrs/month, 12-14 days OFF)

...could (as always :)) be more, but i am happy (as long as the company keeps existing:()!

[5Papa]

CityJet Second Officer, halfway in second year with them.

Monthly ca. 4000 EUR take home pay.
5 or 6 on, then 2 or 3 off.
600 - 650 hours a year.
ca. 10 overnights a month.
LOL, healthcare.
28 days leave a year.
Air France staff travel.

[massiveheed]

Easyjet sfo.

Avg net for last 3 months £3544 gbp.
Included in this is £1000 deducted from basic pay and paid before tax to go towards my training loan with CTC.
Also already deducted £ 220 per month towards company pension and £200 per month to share save scheme. These are deducted before tax. Sorry can't do the sums like NSF to tell you what this would be after tax. Currently doing avg 75hrs a month

[XXPLOD]

Not a pilot but a police officer. Take home c£2750 pcm which is net of 11% pension contribution.
30 days leave plus bank holidays.
6 months sick pay at full pay.
Death in service benefit.
Final salary pension at two thirds pay after 30 years service.

Big plus at the mo - they can't sack me!

Do I wish I'd sold my house 8 years ago when I was single, put £80K in my pocket and done an integrated course? Yes.

[YHC80]

wow... 15K GBP pm? Which asian carrier would this be?

[kk pilot]

clearly, a Gulfstream V/550 rating is preferable to any Boeing - young pilots, pay attention.
Captain - 777/767/757/M80 - $'s (avg) 12-14k/mo
regretfully,no experience - Gulfstream......:ugh:

[LSGG]

8 years experience total.
1 year F/O on light jet in 2nd biggest european corporate company
Roster ??? what-s that? On paper only but at the end of the month more or less 17 days ON, 13 days OFF.
When ON available 24h with 2 hours notice.
Pay after Tax with today's exchange rate £ 3300
13th Salary
Allowances £65 a day
LOL paid by EMPLOYEE on voluntary basis
24 days annual leave
Pension employer 1/2 employee 1/2 but legal minimums
No other benefits but stable job (today this is worth gold !)

[Fly4Fun]

Widebody Captain, Long Haul operation, European Carrier
€5,300 net per month, excludes per diems.
No medical, no pension, no profit share. :(

[OPEN DES]

SFO easyJet (Spanish contract)

5400 euro after tax
plus some bonus twice a year

5-4-5-3
36 holidays
LOL

[david.craig]

Obviously this will be very general and not taking into consideration experience/types etc
But as it stands early 2009, which carrier in the UK have the best package (salary, per diem, benefits etc) for First Officer and Command positions?
Just thought it would be interesting to hear what everyone's opinion was as to the best carrier to be with at the moment.

[hunterboy]

I should imagine that job security is more important than the pay and pension package at the moment. No point earning 10k a month if you could be out of a job next month.

[zerotohero]

Lowcost 738 F/O no prizes for guessing

Nov £4400
Dec £0
Jan £800
Feb £2800
Mar £4800
April looking like £2400

all before I deduct tax and NI and take into account expences

no benifits apart from staff travel on large network and as much hot water as I like.

[david.craig]

True, but with a few exceptions, would I be correct in assuming that the best performing carriers(financially) offer the best packages?

[oopspff7]

Lab Rat at major UK paper mill
4 on 6 off
10 day spring holiday
18 day summer holiday
10 day autumn holiday
4 service days
In work for 4 months out of 12
6 months full sick pay
6 months half sick pay
Bupa
Final salary pension
Yearly bonus
Take home £2700/month.

[Boeingbuddy]

777F Captain based in Germany
ca. 9000 Euros net.
At the moment 1 Flight a month.

[Mickey Kaye]

Speciality Registrar Ophthalmology

346 hours per month

28 days holiday per year. (Including bank holidays)

Most hours ever worked in a single week (as a doctor) - 144

Longest shift ever done (without sleep) - 82

Take home pay £2300.

Will get 20 years 2/3 final salary pension and 15 years average salary pension



Part Time Flying Instructor

Most hours ever flown in a month - 12 hours.

Amount of money earned - bugger all. Barely covers the costs of my medical, travel expensese etc. Doubt i'll ever recuperate my training costs.

[Chilli78]

Mickey

Complete the speciaility then immigrate to Australia.

You will add another zero to the end of your paycheck (in real money GBP) and soon have the brass to purchase or hire if you wish nice bonanzas, barons , cirruses etc.

How do they get away with paying you guys so little?

[impartial]

What I hope is a secure job - priceless

Capt Sullenbergers words about the low pay driving out experience and newcomers to the industry are ringing true in my ears, but judging by some of the paypackets mentioned its not true in all cases!

[lexxity]

Groundstaff for a UK carrier at MAN.
Brilliant roster, Weds, Thurs and every 3rd Friday on 18.75hrs a week.
Pay £550 a month (includes shift pay, which varies dependant on when you start/finish and days worked, i.e. more on an early weekend start), but I do it because I like it and my collegues are on the whole fab and having a little one it's working really well. :ok:
Free uniform. Free parking.
Staff travel, after 1 year, 1 free subload. after 4 years 1 free subload, 1 free firm and they accrue as you stay on. I'm coming upto 7 years. Upto six nominees. I get leave on an hours figure which comes upto about 6 weeks or so a year (same for full time).
Unlimited ZED on a huge number of other carriers.

I know it's not a flying job, but I thought it might be of interest to others out there looking at what is available.

[Mungo Man]

Nov £4400
Dec £0
Jan £800
Feb £2800
Mar £4800
April looking like £2400

all before I deduct tax and NI and take into account expences


What I nightmare - I'd rather have my ~£2,400 in the bank at the end of every month, guaranteed, plus the occasional extra few hundred for selling days off/trips. Year 2 regional jet FO. 700 hrs pa. Take home is after pension payment to which company adds double what I pay.

[Ezy.Pilot]

easyJet line captain on a Italian contract.

Net take home still varies because it was introduced last June and still not fully settled due to conservative tax calculations on EZY's behalf. Estimated was about €8500 but for me actual has been north of €9000,- ever since, sometimes hitting the 5 figures.

-TFR (severance indemnity pay) 6.8% on top of gross.

-Fondo Vole ( Italian Pilot state pension) supposedly 23,8% on top of gross but no one really seems to know and is probably too good to be true. Still looking for the info in English though. I'm told that If you had put in 20 years you would get €5000,- net p/m today but which I seriously question.

- Loyalty bonus once a year, 5/10/15% depending on time with company, was fully taxed but apparently half taxed since 1 feb 09.

- Medical

- Loss Of License, 1.3 times Basic (so ± €139,000,-)

- Not quite sure but I think Uniform since 1 feb 09.

- Death in Service, 4 times basic.

- Sick pay: full basic for 3 months, further 3 if medical temporary suspended.

- Staff travel if available, bit of a problem of late.

- 5/4 5/3 roster, 25 bookable days off, should be 30 according to Italian law, is being worked on.

- Probably forgot something

My big thank you goes out to the BALPA/ANPAC/ePG negotiation team which did a fantastic job negotiating the Italian contract while the pound was at €1,50

O yeah, I'm the first in line to go on a 75% contract for 85% of the money and because Italy is Italy will cost me about 10% net.

Again, Thank you BALPA/ANPC/ePG.

It seems that half of EZY is trying to get on a € contract these days, with the pound not doing very well at the moment, particularly a French contract for which I don't have the info.

[super ted123]

1st year captain turbo prop

Take home about £2400 + around £100-300 a month flight pay.

Looking at some of the earnings on here makes me want to cry!

Huge debt just being serviced, very little head way.

Would do anything for a Gulfstream job, except work for free :}

I cant wait for the upturn

Regards,

ST

[zip29]

The previous thread on this subject was started in a ( short) golden period for pilots, and I found it very interesting and informative.

Now that so many of us are out of work, and even more feeling vulnerable, I find the new thread to be in bad taste. I acknowledge that some posters felt the same about the previous thread.

[matkat]

Engineering dept. of a middle eastern airline (small and not well known) take home 2200 Euro per week, all food laundry etc paid for at hotel transport to from work unfortunately the bad part is 12 weeks on 3 off. Business class RTN to airport of choice (GLA for me) taxi from airport to home and back (70 Miles each way) not a bad number really apart from the long time away from home, but its retirement job for me and no complaints.

[suchiman]

Hey guys. This is for pilots that are employed by a company that has its main operations center in one country and their reside in a different country.
For example Easy Jet pilots that work for easy UK but live in France or Italy.
Does Easy Jet deduct taxes from your salary in the UK or do you pay all your taxes in your country of residence?

Thanks.

[zerotohero]

Zip29

What a crock, sorry people are out of work but we are not all expected to go bury our heads in the sand are we?

how is it bad taste, it gives a clear view of where the $$$ are at that were all after, if people who are out of work dont want to know then they dont have to read the thread! this is not a communist country, do as you please.

its a good thread.

[warmfront]

what do you guys get paid?

[FLI]

£10,000 per month take home.
+ house, utilities, pension, etc.

I should have added that this is for flying 200 hours per year on helicopters in the ME.

[wilky]

offshore oil platforms abseilor, 147 nights a year offshore, the rest is time off,

take home monthly £3400

was planning on spending it on flying training, but bit more wary now!

2 weeks on 3 weeks of rotation in North Sea

[mave292]

Aer Arann year 2 Captain good month 5500 euro net bad month 4800 euro net , approx 60 hour per month , LOL and roster 5/3/5/2:O

[Khaosai]

Hi wilky,

are you a bit more wary now due to some of the salaries advertised, or due to the global decline in jobs worldwide.

Your working offshore which gives you lots of time off to allow you to get your ATPL whilst still making good money. Its a win win situation. You might land lucky and get a flying job immediately, or have to stay in your curent rope access job.

I took my first flying lesson 20 years ago, never looked back.

Crack on and get studying !!. Good luck.

Rgds.

[wilky]

Khaosai,

Thats what I thought win, win. I started my PPL last year and planned to get all my training done in my 3 weeks off each trip where possible, I'm just more wary of climate. I would expect a drop in my current salary if I made it into the RHS in the future, I'm not one that would aim for jets straight away, I would do anything to start and get flying experience and hours and work my way up through the ranks as such. I'm 28 but I am already on my 3rd career change, 5 years as a royal marine, 4 years as a police officer and now in my 3rd year of offshore inspection/rope access so a fair bit of life experience for my age. I'm hoping that would stand me in good stead for my first aviation job. Flying as always been my passion, as i'm sure it is for most who take on this monumental task of getting the ATPL.

I can only go of what I read on PPRUNE but to me it seems a huge investment of time and money to be let in for a hell of a ride to get the first job, all these different schemes for Ryanair, easyjet etc, maybe in the end I will keep flying as a hobby. I really did want a career as a pilot but I will be riding this out until I see that things improve. I'm more than willing to do whatever it takes to get a job, my last 3 were not walk in jobs, but security in my life is a big thing. I'm also aware that there is other airlines/operators out there that are not running these cadet schemes, but realistically by the time i'm finished training I would guess I would be around 32 years old, with all the spring chickens newly qualified, and experienced pilots with hours on type being recruited again(hopefully for you guys) I just dont think I would stand a chance!

Any way I am aware i'm drifting off thread so will knock this on the head, but i'll keep my ears to the ground and assess the situation as I go. £60k+ of debt no siree, not with the risks involved, maybe back in my naive youth it would have been an option before, but had my fingers burnt with debt years ago, and its not a nice feeling!

All the best to the guys qualified and trying to find work. I really hope you get something soon.

[Flygirl83]

Wilky

I'm in the same position as you, desperate to start training, but you seem to really have your head screwed on, unlike alot of people jumping straight in.

My take home as cabin crew is rubbish, 1100 pm, some benefits, this will never fund flight training, i have no option but to take a loan.

Some salaries on here are Huge, even our cpts dont get that much...or so they say.

[Khaosai]

Hi Wilky,

its a difficult call for sure. It seems your applying commonsense, which is a good thing.

I wish you well in the future, i know how tough it can be.

If i was doing it all again, i would have aimed to minimise costs by heading to the States, get the licence and build hours. They had career development loans back then, not sure if they still exist tho.

As an aside you might know a few mates of mine, one ex RM for 22 yrs and another working rope access in the north sea !. Both Scottish lads.

Rgds.

[wilky]

Khaosai, Thanks :ok:

[Desk-pilot]

Wilky,

Just a thought and I speak as another mid-life career changer but if you do end up in the low cost sector (which unless you're very lucky you probably will) then from the point of view of work/life balance I don't think you will be able to match your current employment. I get 108 guaranteed days off a year, you get over 200! I do probably also get a further 30-50 stby days where I often don't get called. Flying is more enjoyable than many jobs on an hour for hour basis but after a while it isn't more enjoyable than taking your family out for a bike ride or watching movies or chilling out at home!

You are also currently earning about the same as someone who is about 4-5 years into a typical flying career (Unless you land a dream ticket like BA from day 1)

I think a job that gives you so much time to do what you want is quite appealling! Just a thought - not sure if it helps.

Desk-pilot

[Big Birdie]

Hi Wilky,
Just like you, I spent many years offshore..unsure whether to chuck in a good job for the uncertainties of an aviation career. Well I took the plunge and have never looked back. The offshore environment will actually stand you in good stead in an airline.
I get to sit in the front of a B744 now, but still miss the crack in the tea shack! The offshore game is for young men...you don't want to be swinging off a derrick in your 50s!
Oh yeah....take home £4700 to £5300 plus all the trimmings and never get my hands dirty.

[Clandestino]

A320 SFO, Europe, year 8.

January - 67 hrs, 48 sectors, net with flight pay and per diems was 2610 €

February - 0 hrs, three weeks spent on last year's unused anual leave, one week groundschool, net 2170€

[reverserunlocked]

The 'taking the plunge' diversion that this thread has taken also interests me.

I'm 33 and play records on the radio for a living. Like flying, it's something that I always wanted to do and at my level it's well paid considering that you're only actually 'on-air' for a few hours. That said I've probably hit the glass ceiling now at 40-50k pa, there's sod all job security and the media industry is simply imploding at the moment so who the hell knows whether I'll still be earning in 3 months, let alone 3 years. Like your job, there aren't likely to be too many opportunities locally so having to up sticks and go sniff out work somewhere else is a distinct probability in my game.

I always felt that getting my finger out my arse and getting an ATPL and a nice gig flying jets would the answer to my long term prayers. Perhaps it's not that much different - I spend hours each day in front of a few LCD screens driven by a computer that does all the thinking that I used to do surrounded by lots of flashing lights and buttons, talking into a mic now and again and working with people who moan about how good it used to be! ;)

[brit bus driver]

And with the same level of job security too!! At least if radio boots you, you can always get a job spinning the decks at weddings and bar mitzvahs!! :ok:

[Denti]

Yearly gross income around 50 to 60k Euro, blockhours none, 4 hours standby per week but no flying duty planned as the company doesn't hold an AOC anymore. Another 20k i'm suing my employer for and it looks very good indeed. FO year 9 with dba. Oh, and once i have my final payout (depending on when at least 300k Euro) i have a guaranteed job at air berlin if i really want that, allready have the signed contract.

[airman13]

TRI/SFI ATR 42 /72 ,Europe, 5000-6000 eur net.Usually 8 days off per month and 9 weeks annual leave .Every month 4-6 sim sessions in TLS.

[VS-Toga]

VS SFO A340
c. £6100 pcm net + per diems
Around 850 hrs p.a.
12-14 days hols per month
+ emoluments (incl Virgin Active !) and ID90's!

[bigjarv]

So you are on a gross salary of over £110000 a year as an SFO at Virgin then. Is this really correct? That is an awesome wage but I just can't believe it! If it is true, I have a new target airline!!!!

[TurningFinals]

£800ish pcm as a part time Servisair ramp rat.

:D

[Khaosai]

Hi,

VS SFO A340 could well be living overseas and paying no tax. Certainly beats the salary i received whilst in VS, albeit almost 10 years ago

Rgds.

[f/spninx]

6100 gbp per month at Virgin for a SFO must be tax free or living in the channel islands.
Rumour is that Virgin just layed off the bottom 50 on the seniority list?

[poitiers]

Air France CPT for 6 years, in the company since 92
125000 euros per year
48 days leave
planning the month before for the month after
normal planning 12 days off per month

[yanafrica]

Turbo prop Capt
taking home : 6500 € /m + accomodation / transport / medical / sim / lol / travel ID90 / +4500€ bonus / year / 90 days leave /year

[Sable Knight]

Specialist Optometrist

£600-800 per day (dependent on NHS trust)

Self-employed, therefore take leave as when needed.
Nearly hit target of saving £130K for CPL training.

[Grass strip basher]

Thats over £160k a year gross by my rough maths for a 26yr old working for the NHS (albeit in a skilled position)..... I will bite my tongue rather than go on a "Gordon Brown" rant about public Vs private sector etc etc... :oh:

[Sable Knight]

The "drivel" in the Daily Mail, is not drivel, it's true, I was offered this position with very little experience (it would have been rude to turn it down, considering the obsence amounts of money they are throwing around), and i am planning to milk it to the last drop.

God bless the tax payer.

[blackred1443]

can i ask one question, why on earth do you want to go flying for a living.sounds like you have it sorted already

[BigNumber]

Because he wants to hang out at Bar Med on a Tuesday night!

[Sable Knight]

I would love to fly to get out of the test room. My work consists of 8-10 hours per day, in a windowless room in a basement. I have the "perk" of picking up some nasty infections from my patients

Without sounding ungrateful the money is phenomenal, however the very repetetive nature of the job, does you head in.

[SMT Member]

Senior manager, medium sized European cargo airline, with global responsibilities. Area of expertise is safety. Gross 97.000 Euro/year + company wheels (BMW 3-series) and free motion lotion. No ID tickets, but amassing around 400K miles a year, so don't need it. 45 annual leave days, working 9 to 5 (ish) and never missed an important family gig, christmas or new year. Don't have to live in a flee infested shytehol or a horrid sandpit - happy to pay my 40% in taxes for the benfit of living in civilised corner of the most civilised part of the world.

Hanging up the CPL is the best move I ever made; now I only fly for fun in slow and analogue bugsmashers.

[3holer]

Korean Air B777 DEC
US$ 12500 (net) per month plus around US$ 1000 per diem
16 working days + 3 travel days, 11 days off and about 75 hours p/m
no vacation:{

[Khaosai]

Hi 3 holer,

is there any provident/pension fund provided on top of that ?. Any medical/dental scheme for family ?.

Rgds.

[nuclear weapon]

£36,000 pa free travel depending on exchange rate. Free uniform and meals

[LLuke]

KLM 744 FO
Bruto +/- 150.000€
Netto 10x 5.800€ + 2x 10.500€ excl. avg of 300€ daily allowance per month.
Retirement after 56.
Block hours around 80 hrs/month 750hrs/year when business is normal. Usually 4 trips/8 sectors per month, sometimes more, very sometimes less.
ZED travel and 10% discount on normal fares.

[Surferboy]

Dutch ATCO-trainee
Year 2
Take-Home about 2500 Euro's 14 times a year.
Retirement at 58
Working around 30 hours per week

[3holer]

Hi Khaosai!
Sorry, but no provident/pension fund whatsoever. Also no medical/dental scheme for self or family. But I forgot to mention about 4 confirmed tkts for family members per year on KAL network (plus ZED tkts).
Regards,
3holer

[ocskyguy]

Funny thing....

All my career (30+ years), I have chased the paycheck. Multiple carriers on multiple continents. At the end of the game, I am back in the USA. Flying for an airline that most of you would turn your nose up at (Kalitta Air). Am a B-744 TRE and also do line training. 2008 was a pretty good year, all in all. $266K, plus 401k, plus medical insurance. 21 days holiday. 14 days sick leave.

Spent most of my career looking for "the job". Stumbled on this one by accident and can't see leaving any time soon...

[Plotter5]

Interesting reading. Hope you find mine interesting too...

I'm a 3500hr pilot. I hold an ATPL. I'm a top grade instructor with most approvals, RPT experience, turbine experience, etc.

$3000 AUD / mth (approx £1500 GBP) after tax
42 days recreation leave
Expenses paid
Uniform not provided
Loss of licence not provided
Statory 9% pension contribution
Roster. What roster? Sometimes a week off, sometimes min rest. I'd rather work cos there's nothing to do out here in Hicksville Outback town.
Oh, and I'm flying turbocharged twins - ho hum...

I'm on hold with an airline but downturn means I'll be holding for a while. Current job is to keep current. I'm a full day drive from partner (for those in Europe that's > 800km - think Edinburgh to Plymouth but not on a motorway). Return ticket on regional carrier to home at last check was $900 (£440).

Upside:
a) I have a job when many others locally have had their jobs go bust
b) I'm flying in a part of the world most people will never see except from FL350
c) Small company treats me well and gets me home on overnights whenever possible

[downwindabeam]

Ladies and Gents,

I am going to refine the previous poster's "Take Home Pay" hoping this thread would serve as a good indicator for myself and others as to where this industry is leading to.

Let's try to make it take at home pay with short description of current experience and also include: years in the industry (lets count from day one flying for a 121 or the equivalent in other parts of the world), and age.

Me:
26yrs old, US Regional. 2 yrs FO, 3500TT, ~$2300/month net. plus plus plus.

[FlyingOW]

LAN Peru 6th Yr FO

Net Basic: 3000USD/ 2000GBP 9 times a year, 6000USD/ 4000GBP 3 times a year
Net Productivity 30USD/ 20GBP starting @ hr 69.
Net Allowances avg. 700USD/ 470GBP per month

OW

[Knee Trembler]

Lufthansa Regional - Capt - Dash 8-Q400

€2.200 net pm x 12 + allowances.

120 days off per year, excellent roster protection and collective labour agreement. Stable base and route network and (almost) full LH benefits.

[Shuttleworth]

£4900, nett. for a typical month

(day off working about £225 per day nett is excluded from this figure )
Basic is £66k gross (ish) to which approx £1600 allowances FHR etc etc is added.
Time to command now 17 years (estimate) .
It won't make you a rich man, but I'm happy !

[ETOPS]

LLuke

Interesting that your gross (bruto) is the same as BA 747 Captains who are just junior to me. Adding your figures seems to give a tax/social cost at around 45% ?? Do you get taxed on the daily allowance ?

Dank U wel :ok:

[handflown]

Shuttleworth

What does FHR stand for?

Sounds like a great deal. How many nights away per month do you get?

Handflown.

[LLuke]

No tax on daily allowance. I am now 14 years with KLM (/KLC). The annual gross total is from 2008, just checked the overview to be sure. Income is split in parts, for the amount more than 54000€, 52% tax was paid in 2008.

I am sure the BA captains will start feeling better again when the GBP goes up, meanwhile I will buy them a beer in Dusk til Dawn...

[Diesel8]

A320 Captain with LCC operator with a large fleet of busses and a smaller fleet on E-190.

$165K for the year! 910 credit hours, probably 870 flown!

[Clandestino]

Lufthansa Regional - Capt - Dash 8-Q400

€2.200 net pm x 12 + allowances.

:eek:

Please tell me this is typo! The numbers sound more like FA than Capt pay.

[Knee Trembler]

Clandestino,

Funny you should say that. I compared my pay cheque with an FA recently and they were almost identical!

The German tax system is complex to say the least, but if, like me, your spouse has a proper job, you pay a relatively large amount of tax and they pay less, giving you more as a couple. It all gets sorted out on the annual tax return though.

Top line figures are still a little on the low side at around €4900 gross, before allowances (€200-€500 pm) but LH has a deal with the revenue (at least for the time being) where we get 16.3% tax free in lieu of holiday working (without that the net would be around €1800!). And the Collective Labour Agreement is the best I have experienced (better that BA and KLM). For me that is worth several hundred Euros per month. Also I am at my home base which, after several years of night stopping, is priceless.

I was at KLM before (and on the 30% deal which LLuke will know of) and would be getting about double the above gross figure there, but that, as they say, is another story!

KT

[shittykitty]

Dreamlifter F/O $3000 net

[BelArgUSA]

No way that you can compare salaries even using same currencies.
Even if you know the "exchange rate" - It does not mean anything.
xxx
Look at yourself in USA - Low taxation - For you probably 20%.
But you probably have to pay your medical insurance, retirement plan... etc.
In many other countries, with high taxes, all that is taken off your salary.
xxx
Then in some countries, rent an apartment might be 25% of your salary.
In USA, I am certain, with your numbers, must be 40% of your gross salary.
Depends where you live. In Podunk, you can rent a studio for $500/month.
Consider other expenses - meals - transportation...
And realise all proportions are different. No way to compare.
You can only say "well paid" - or "not well paid"...
xxx
:8
Happy contrails

[Tercarley]

If you live in the Channel Islands and you are being paid in the Uk you still have to pay UK tax. You only come under C.I. tax laws if you are paid here.

However, there were lots of people working in UK in airlines and living and commuting from France and paying tax nowhere that cannot do that any more as the I.R. have closed that particular loophole. I heard from my son who is with another longhaul airline that is not BA that there was a house in Normandy that 17 people apparently lived in - but really lived in the UK, in other words they had an accommodation adress for the I.R. demands.

[Parkbremse]

2nd year CRJ F/O with a german regional carrier, net minimum 2500€ and with some overtime and/or a lot of night stopping up to 3000€ pcm

Great thing is, pay is calculated on the basis of duty-time (not block hours or flight futy time), so every delay, positioning, aog, flight cancellation while on duty etc is considered on the month end for your pay.

LH Staff travel (albeit with a lower status than the real LH guys but great nonetheless) + benefits, a great bunch of collegues and a pretty stable roster + 42 days of vacation.

Downside is the long time to command, around 12 years minimum right now... I guess i will make the move to another airline sometime but until then i'm pretty happy with what i have :-)

[shittykitty]

my taxes in the states are more like 40%!!!!!! and getting higher every day

[Relic01]

Continental Airlines
Third year FO on 737-300/500/700/800/900/900ER
$5500-$6500 Gross monthly plus $500-$700 per diem
Working about 76 to 84 hours per month
B Fund of 12.75% of annual pay put aside by company
Diminished medical benefits due to increased cost.
12-16 days off per month
Free unlimited domestic passes
4 free vacation passes a year for wife, kids and parents
Expensive buddy passes for travel
Jumpseat agreement on numerous domestic and international carrier

Could hold the 757/767. Would make a little bit more money however lose seniority and days off. Looking forward to a new contract as negotiation is going on. Just glad tostill be employed for now with all going on in the aviation today.

[hongkongfooey]

2nd year F/O HK based airline A320/321, approx 15 years narrowbody jet experience :

After tax approx : 115,000 HKD ( 10,000 GBP ) deposited into my bank account monthly, 64,000 HKD goes directly to mortgage ( of which 80% is currently paid off principal )

1 month salary paid Chinese New Year annually.

Travel fund 50,000 HKD per annum

Full medical cover

School fees

After 3 years, 15% of 36 times your current basic wage paid as lump sum, then 15% per annum there after.

Profit sharing ( last year 1 months salary, no points for guessing this year )

10-12 days off/month, 10 weeks annual leave, CX staff travel.

and no, I don't work for HKA/HKE :}:}:}:}

But would happily forfeit all of the above for a decent job in Oz

[intelligentpilot]

Hong Kong Airlines/hong Kong Express
Sister companies, but salary the same.

You think you guys are hard done by, try living in one of the most expensive cities in the world and earning this.
Salary figures can be confirmed on PPJN.

737-800 Captain basic Salary = 30000 HKD per month (3867 USD)
737-800 F/O basic salary = 17500 HKD per month (2255 USD)
Those figures are before tax.

No increase in pay each year. A 20 year pilot will earn the same as a 1st year pilot.

No pension, no gratuity. Only 1,500 HKD (193 USD)will be contributed into your provident fund (MPF) per month, after the first 13 months service in the company.

Annual leave = 28 days per annum. No credit given or extra annual leave given for working public holidays. No extra pay for working public holiday.

No flights home to home country.

Roster still unstable, even after 4 years they can not get it right.

No housing allowance.

They have flight pay but with no minimum guarantee. You really could earn Base salary, and not much more.

No communication. You do not realize your getting a pay cut until your paycheck comes through or not. They do not even send an email to explain their plans.

Labour law in Hong Kong supports the company not the employee. Employee has no rights.

You disagree with changes to contract = employment terminated with no reason.

Bonded for 15,000 USD - 50,000 USD even if your type rated with experience on type. Bond period 1-5 years

Good things about these companies...... NIL

If your considering working here, apply for ANY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE WORLD, or jump off a building. Both are better options.

[Mungo Man]

How come hongkongfooey is earning 115,000HKD after tax every month as an FO, and intelligentpilot is earning just 30,000 HKD before tax as a Captain?! Doesn't really add up.

[hongkongfooey]

Its because I am such a :mad:ing great pilot :ok:

Actually its because Intell works for HKA/HKE and I don't :

and no, I don't work for HKA/HKE http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gifhttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gifhttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gifhttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gif

cheers

[eagerbeaver1]

LowCo Captain - P60 reads 89913. Never knew I am so cheap.

[iflytb20]

1st year Capt on B737-800s. [based in India]
After tax approx : 6500 USD pm
35 days Paid leave annually
Fly on average 85-90 hours a month
NO Overtime [over 80 hrs pm] :(
Full medical cover
Loss of license / Accident coverage of appx 50,000 USD.

[LLuke]

To all the posters participating in this thread:
Thank you for sharing all the details like salary and days off and etc...:ok:

But what's the purpose of all this if you are not willing to name the company/agent you're working for :confused:

[Knee Trembler]

Funny isn't it, how coy people become at the point of writing exactly who their employer is. I guess we all feel that there is an element of confidentiality to our salaries, which is strange really, as most a readily available on ppjn.

[hongkongfooey]

DRAGONAIR

so there

[Aussie]

Wasnt that hard to work out HKfooey was from Dragon....

Good to see good conditions still exist.

[hongkongfooey]

Good to see good conditions still exist.

Yeh but Aussie, there is ALWAYS a price :rolleyes:

[Aussie]

Yeah mate, your right. I know what your on about because i too have left the wonderful land of aus to work on the dark side of the planet, however iam doing it for a fraction of the pay you recieve. Hence, it could still be much worse mate!

[flytheplane]

East European LCC-A 320 Captain

good month(summer): 5000++Euro net.
bad month: 3800Euro net.:sad:

800 hr/year



stable roster,free travel for family on network, good bunch of People and if you think about the living costs in Eastern Europe, not too bad....:8

[FlyingOW]

Year 1 A320/319 Captain

Basic: 2,700GBP 9 months per year/ 5,400GBP 3 times per year NET
Productivity: starts @ 247hrs in any 3 consecutive months, pays 3.33% per hour of Basic Pay
Allowances: none if flying Domestically, 2-300GBP typically on 3 or 4 regional overnighters
Time of service compensation CTS: 5,500GBP NET paid into separate bank account per year

Cheers,

OW

[bmwm5]

Air Asia A320 Fo

Rm 7000....gbp 1250

28 Days Annual Leave

No Travel Allowance

No Transport

No Food On Board

85 Hours A Month
No Night Stops

No Family Medical Benefit
(only For Staffs)

Type Rating Bond For 6 Years Or Rm150000....gbp 26500

He He He

[FRying]

WHHHHHAAAAATTTT ??????

I mean, do real people actually earn that in 2009 ??? I hope Air Asia's CEO is a millionnaire from ripping off this way, at least.

[doayon]

Any one knows what an air asia captain is taking net home?? euros or dollars please??

I applied for that position,did not reply me though!(10 years airline exp)

[zerotohero]

Air Asia for that money!

And FR is bad! lol

I keep seeing the Air Asia girls when I am in STN and my god would I like to ;-) buy them a drink

[A-3TWENTY]

I`ve been offered a Capt`s position with Air Asia and the salary was 7500 dollars.

Of course I refused...

[myknobblyknees]

2nd Year FO in Dragon Air on about £10k nett pcm....sounds like a lotta dosh.....what on earth does a 1st year Capt nett?

[drfaust]

2nd year FO with LG.
Numbers are in Euro's.

Basic 4.4K, 13 times a year.
Monthly FDP about 350.

Salary rises in march by 2.5% I believe (Index correction for everyone, but I may be wrong about the percentage for this year)
All in all, after tax, receive about 4K nett. Next jump will give about 150 gross on top of basic.

Sundays are paid by 18 per hour of FDT. Public holidays paid by 25 per hour of FDT.

These numbers are independent and thus on top of FDP, which is calculated by 16 euro for less than 6 hours of FDT, 25 for more than 6 hours and 50 for more than 12. Comes to about 350 a month.

LOL is in there, Pension Scheme, Extra legal pension scheme, ID90, ZED, Profit Sharing (won't be getting any this year :P), etc.

Highest net to date was 5503 euro's including FDP. I love sundays and holidays.

Very happy with this company. Leaving is not really a consideration.

[poitiers]

LG is what airline?

[ryanairpilot42]

I Googled "LG AIRLINE"

and came up with Luxair

[dynamite dean]

Lear 40

8000USD no perks ..yes I do I have a job!

[JACQUOUILLE]

Hawker Capt : 8000 Eur/month + per diem (1000 to 1500 /month) + medical insurance and retirement plan . I am happy to have moved to the biz industry.

Roster 15 On/ 15 Off

[AQIS Boigu]

I am sure the BA captains will start feeling better again when the GBP goes up, meanwhile I will buy them a beer in Dusk til Dawn...


Lluke, is that the one in HKG???

[Donkey Duke]

Drfaust,

Which plane do you fly at Luxair? The Dash, ERJ, or 737?

[d192049d]

Listen to yourselves.......there is Mikey Kaye with every decision in his working day potentially life threatening, dealing with real people and real lives and you lot out there earning twice what he does for 1/3rd of the hours worked....absolutley obcene amount of money for sitting up the front of a bus managing systems and punching buttons.

Dont tell me any different you are all spolit rotten in an industry that is on its knees. Believe me I know what I am talking about....24 years Long haul Cabin crew...Purser with a UK Major and a few hundred hours as a PPL....

Dont get me wrong...when he Sh** hits the fan [Hudson River] you earn your money...but per hours flown you are overpaid....Call me a doctor I feel sick!:yuk:

[SEAMASTER]

No we are not overpaid and you do not know what you are talking about having not achieved the CPL/ATPL, Thankyou.

[CaptainProp]

24 years long haul obviously had its impact.

[Guzzler]

....absolutley obcene amount of money for sitting up the front of a bus managing systems and punching buttons.

Hahaha - what a bitter man.

[fiveo]

Go and ask BA who they think are overpaid? Pilots or the senior LH cabin crew :yuk:

[drfaust]

Sorry you never got passed being a trolleydolley and always envy those that are twice as young, earn three times your salary and bear a greater amount of responsibility from day one on the job. (Which is exactly the reason why they earn more)

Musn't be easy to look at but be a sport and suck it up.


Always gives me a tickle when CC want to start comparing our job vs. anything out there and saying that ours is an easy buck in comparison. Walk the walk if it's so easy is my suggestion.

[AN56]

Try Jordan Aviation, you get the chance to work for free, not knowing anything about roster or time off, and no trouble with perks. :ugh:

[d192049d]

Oh joy...light the blue touch paper and stand well clear....arrogance and ego incoming...:}

[Clandestino]

Ignore the troll. Its contribution to discussion was absolutely worthless but it got what it wanted - your reaction.

Back to topic:

Central Europe based Q400 capt nets 2200 €/month
SE Europe based Q400 capt (me) nets 2900 €/month
Western Europe based Q400 F/O nets 4000€/month

Market economics at work or what?

[zumzum]

EZY SFO spanish contract:
bad month 5000eur, good month 5.700/almost 6.000.
Fixed roster, 5 on 3 off, 5 on, 4 off.
36 days leave.
Performance bonus 10%
Loyalty bonus (after 2nd year in my case) 5%.
Company SOP are strict and not always I'm having fun with the weirdo next to me...
average hrs 75/80

[Cavallier]

"I am sure the BA captains will start feeling better again when the GBP goes up, meanwhile I will buy them a beer in Dusk til Dawn... "


I don't know, 78 bucks for a Stella when I pitched up there at 2 in the mornig the other day!!!!

The Cav:cool:

[blackred1443]

zumzum

Do you really get a 10% performance bonus plus the 5% loyalty each year?

[OPEN DES]

zumzum

Do you really get a 10% performance bonus plus the 5% loyalty each year?

I will answer for zumzum, yes we do. Although performance bonus entitlement is a function of company performance. Loyalty bonus cannot be touched.

ezy A320 SFO Spain

Basic: 75600 euro/year
Performance bonus 2009: 7560 euro/year
Loyalty bonus (5%): 3780 euro/year
Flight Duty Pay: +-8000 euro/year

So we gross around 95000 euro/yr

Take-home pay after tax is 4700 euro basic plus 500-1200 euro Flightpay.

Roster is as mentioned by zumzum. 36 bookable holidays means:
book 5 days get 4+5+3=12 days. So effectively we get 7 blocks of 12 days off per year with one single day left.

Not leaving for greener pastures at the moment.

[blackred1443]

thanks for that

2 questions

What is the performance pay based on?Is it just if the company turns a profit however small.

Have you heard of much expansion at MAD to come, the transfer waiting list doesnt seem that long

[OPEN DES]

The union has negotiated our bonus-targets are the same as for management. Each year those will be adjusted.
Knowing that management will take good care of themselves I think personally it would not be too difficult to get our full perf. bonus each year.
Interesting to note that this year even with a loss we would have been entitled to half our perf. bonus, i.e. 5%. I believe this year our full 10% perf. bonus was matched to only a 4-5 mln. pound profit.

[drfaust]

@Donkey

It doesn't matter as our basic salary is determined on years of service and not the type of aircraft you fly.

In reality they earn a little bit more on the boeing because you normally end up on the boeing after a couple of years as FO on the Embraer or Q400. They also tend to get more Sundays/Night hours, etc. So in reality they earn more, but it's insignificant. The captains have a completely different salary scale where quite a significant jump is made once they go on the 737.

faust

PS: Clandestino, you're right, shouldn't feed the troll.

[Jimmy Hoffa Rocks]

Open Des or
could anyone tell us what the net take home pay of a Easyjet capt Mad

Do you find the sector pay better than flight hours ?

How much is base rather than variable pay for Capts ?


thanks

[OPEN DES]

All the numbers are on Untitled Document (http://www.ppjn.com). Sectorpay (dieta) is the same for FO/SFO/CAPT, not very high. But basic is relatively high which is good given the number of days off we've got.
Any more questions, feel free to PM.

[vserian]

3rd year FO India
currently flying B777s
between $5500-6000 per month

[TDK mk2]

regional jet Capt in U.K. Circa £3400 per month including flight pay. Might go down at bit if HMRC decide to tax the flight pay.