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flyby797
22nd Sep 2008, 12:00
Hi everyone, i had problems reading these METARs from the same field on the same day:
LIPX 190555Z 33003kt 4000 -RA BR SCT020 BKN040 16/16 Q1018 RMK OVC VIS MIN 4000 GRN

LIPX 191155Z 11006kt 8000 SCT040 19/14 Q1019 RMK OVCVIS MIN 8000 BLU

The first one was delivered by Moroccan MTO and tne second one by the Italian. Can someone give me a clue? Thanks

500 above
22nd Sep 2008, 12:44
GRN/BLU

Possibly airport colour codes for weather. The military has a system of colour coding e.g. GRN (green) BLU (blue) for fast at a glance weather.

However, I dont think that Verona is military. Should remember, was there last week. Ghedi is probably the nearest military airport (25NM) so Verona is possibly issuing colour codes in weather reports for there benefit.

selfin
22nd Sep 2008, 13:10
Why is the RMK section being promulgated internationally? It was my understanding this was reserved for national dissemination only. There are no applicable national differences notified in respect of Italian METARs in any of the WMO literature.

Sepp
22nd Sep 2008, 13:12
See Military Colour Codes for METARs by Irv Lee (http://www.higherplane.flyer.co.uk/metcol.htm) for a simple, clear explanation of UK military weather colour codes.

NATO weather coding is dealt with in AWP 4(A). You can find a detailed description of the standard NATO airfield weather colour codes in Annex D, together with details of national variations. If I can find a link, I'll add it later.

Cheers :)

Here you go, but you may find it takes a while to d/l - seems to stick around halfway in http://www.futenma.usmc.mil/wx/PUBS/AWP-4CH4.pdf

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and LIPX is combined CIV/MIL.

flyby797
22nd Sep 2008, 13:51
Thanks a lot for your guidance. Nice flying to you all.

bookworm
23rd Sep 2008, 13:37
Why is the RMK section being promulgated internationally? It was my understanding this was reserved for national dissemination only. There are no applicable national differences notified in respect of Italian METARs in any of the WMO literature.

While the WMO Manual on Codes does suggest that RMKs are not for national transmission, this is not something that is adhered to in practice. About 20% of the METARs that WAFC London passes on via SADIS have RMKs.

It doesn't seem to do much harm. What frustrates me is the met providers who take it upon themselves to insert plain language remarks without bothering to use the RMK delimiter. Take a bow, Sweden, for this particularly poor example:

TAF ESSL 230300Z 230412 01003KT 6000 BR BKN002 PROB30 0406 4000 BR SCT002 BECMG 0609 SCT008 ISSUED BY ESSA=

stator vane
6th Jan 2011, 18:56
i have only recently seen them, or at least noticed them.
i only see them for italian military airports and no where else yet.
made for interesting questions to other pilots in the crewroom! ha!
now the word is out, we have to find something else to ask!

Dave Clarke Fife
6th Jan 2011, 20:25
i only see them for italian military airports and no where else yet.

On my World Aviation Weather app on my i-phone all METARs for UK and German military fields have NATO colour codes.

airman13
12th Jan 2011, 03:23
green blue red yellow, are codes for military and include visibility and ceiling......they are on civil/military airports

Sid447
19th Dec 2012, 04:41
Military Color Code (http://www.airlinedispatch.com/dispatch/milcol.html)

:)

TopBunk
19th Dec 2012, 06:15
Verona always used to be a joint military/civil use airport, in fact it would be better described as military with civil use tolerated!

Military part was to northern side of runway, civilian so south.

I have been stuck there overnight about 15 years ago when the military wouldn't clear the runway of snow (their responsibility) but the civilian ramp was spotless with 3 or 4 snowploughs operating (not allowed on the runway)!

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AtoBsafely
19th Dec 2012, 06:52
Bookworm,

I don't understand your gripe. You have posted a 6 hr TAF which includes a PROB and BECMG.:confused:

Joe