Best paying instructor jobs.

[Johnny_56]

G'day all,

Does anyone have any info re the best paying instructing jobs in the country for grade 3 and grade 2's?

I've started noticing a lot of companies (at least in the west) are starting to pay bonuses to their instructors based on flying hours per week (possibly?) which by the sounds of them are starting to get quite generous. I've heard one company pays salary plus $30 per flight hour.

Does anyone know of any other companies paying similar sorts of bonuses ar any that have other incentives?'

Cheers
Johnny!

[Stretch06]

I currently get just over $50/hr of flying, as a casual grade 3. Would like to know what other places pay, just out of interest both full time or casual.

[gamma69]

Be happy with the award, as this was hard to come by just a few years ago.

Cheers

[mates rates]

if you have experience you can negotiate your own salary above the award.If you are not experienced,take the award until you can negotiate a better deal.Just look at the jobs of offer at the moment,it is a sellers market.

[merlinn]

Sorry to change the subject matter slightly, but can someone please explain to me the differences between grade 3 to 1 instructors, is it just hours or further courses?

[Lasiorhinus]

Be happy with the award, as this was hard to come by just a few years ago.

Why should the absolute bare legal minimum be something to be happy with?:ugh:

[RogerRamjet01]

Actually do NOT be happy with the award in the current climate.

Make the most of the current demand for instructors. Believe me when things quieten down, the pay will very quickly reduce to the minimum (or below) so make hay while the sun shines.

[hungry_flygal]

Sorry to change the subject matter slightly, but can someone please explain to me the differences between grade 3 to 1 instructors, is it just hours or further courses?

One normally starts as a junior grade 3 and works their way up to a grade 1. Basic differences are:
junior 3 - can instruct, but requires the direct supervision of a grade 1
senior 3 - can instruct under indirect supervision of grade 1
grade 2- can send solos
grade 1 - can send solos and supervise grade 3s

There are a few other differences, but thats a simple version.

To go from junior 3 to senior 3 - your company signs you off.
Then from 3 to 2 and 2 to 1 is a test with CASA delegate consisting of a brief and a flight (once you have met the required experience/'hours' requirement for each grade) - also need to do the 'Principles & Methods of Instructional Technique multiple guess with ASL for grade 1 ...

[Then of course we need to pay CASA some more money for a licence reprint :E]

[wheatbix]

Sorry to change the subject matter slightly, but can someone please explain to me the differences between grade 3 to 1 instructors, is it just hours or further courses?

CAO 40.1.7 (http://www.casa.gov.au/download/orders/cao40/400107.pdf) fyi

[Jazzy78910]

Where can I find information on the award for Instructor Pilots?

I took a look at wageline.qld.gov.au, but am not sure which category the job falls into.

Jarrad

[Lasiorhinus]

For hairyplanes:
http://www.afap.org.au/files/D1FMIF5012/GA%20Award%20%20as%20at%2011%20February%202008.pdf

For angry palm trees:
http://www.afap.org.au/files/6UCWT9HGBG/Heli%20Award%20-%20As%20at%202%20Feb%202008.pdf

[TSIO540]

Hi Guys,

I used to instruct at a large school in south-east Qld. The $$ was pretty good but you have to work hard for it.

Grade threes started on $45k :}

Grade twos started on $50-$55 (if they had a CIR) :bored:

Grade ones started on $58 for bare gr 1 and up to $70k with CIR and META :ok:

With Gr1's becomming rarer than rocking horse poo these days the salary of someone with a CIR and META is bound to go through the roof... $80k might be reasonable from next year (if you're any good).

Hope it helps

Just make sure you're being paid appropriately for the amount of torment you receive! :ugh:

[Johnny_56]

hey guys,

Thanks for the replys. In my limited instructing experience I've noticed that less and less companies are paying the bare bones award (about 33k for jr grade 3) and all the companies (at least at JT) are offering fulltime employment even for junior guys

[bushy]

That's about how it was before we got a flood of green cpl holders fighting for the few available jobs.
Although there was always competition for capital city jobs.

[mates rates]

Be aware some companies try to pay the gov website award which is not up to date.Only the AFAP website is showing the correct rates of pay with the transition from work choices etc and the up to date increases.

[mattyj]

In NZ the best payed instructor job is Shift Superviser at Burger King, Manukau.

[flysaucer1200]

TSIO540, is your statement that accurate? I believe you, its just hard to believe you can earn that amount of money. Fantastic stuff. I don’t think you would require a secondary income.

In NZ, for example, the instructors at Ardmore, and other places both north and south are paid 25$ an hour for c cat ( grade 3 either junior or Sr ) . So, if your not flying your not being paid. And, with the large amounts of rain in the last three months in NZ, there were many instructors that were paid little. Grade 2, or B cat’s are often put on a salary- equivalent to around- 25G per year. Some schools higher some lower. Then grade 1 ( A cat ) well, there is only 2 A cats at the big school at Ardmore, one has an injury, but is on around 45g per year. The other owns 3 houses, is notorious, and is salaried to a secret, but understandably, for the sake of business, is on around 80grand or more ( due to some kind of agreement with commissions ) . The is other A cats floating around. A few are airline pilots, some work with other positions. And a few are self made. Other B cats that work for companies at Ardmore are all on around 35g give or take. But, usually not too much more.

Hamilton C cats ( at the big school ) are on around- 23g, B cats on around 30g, and there are not too many A cats around there either. Actually, to become an A cat doesn’t seem to be so popular here in NZ. Seems more common, acceptable and accessible in Aussie.
That is pretty much the standard around NZ. I have many friends that are instructors like me, but are working in Aussie. I know that schools at Bankstown, pay 35g for a Jr Gr 3, another school pays 33g for Jr Gr 3. Goes up to just under 40g for Gr 2, and 45 or like mentioned earlier, varies depending on negotiating skills.

Actually. I think there seems to be a lot of interest in instructing now. My friends have informed me that a lot of people of signing up to do instructing courses. I hope this remains positive in the future. It would be disappointing to work hard towards a Gr 2 or 1, which takes a few years and then find in a few years that the industry has taken a major step back, and salaries have dropped. All my friends tell me that all their ( or most ) of their students are from overseas, and that seems to be the factor fueling the need and therefore the wages of instructors
FS1200

Here's an example from a NZ website- All NZ wages, and NZ living is not so cheap.

C-cat single engine VFR instructor $17,500 6-9 months
B-cat single-engine VFR instructor $20,500 6-9 months
B-cat multi-engine VFR instructor $23,500 3 months
B-cat multi-engine IFR instructor $27,500 6-9 months
A-cat (SE/ME, VFR/IFR) instructor $32,500

[Johnny_56]

25 grand ? Is that true?

Jeez is that why there's so many kiwis over here, that's rediculous. And i though the award over here was bad!

[Ando1Bar]

And what makes it even better is our NZ instructor friends are not bound by duty times. Word is 15 hour days are common.

[TSIO540]

flysaucer1200,

Yes, the figures are accurate. I was on a package of $70k (incl super) :8, with Grade one (cat A i think) and multi-engine training approval and 1400 hrs of instruction experience.

The boss was prepared to pay for quality staff and even more for those looking for a career in instructing.

Lets hope instructing takes on some appeal soon because there are so few grade ones left that there'll be a 12 month wait for an instrument rating soon seening as it was already 6 months where I was working.

When I did my CIR in 2004 at a school in south-east qld it cost $12,000, where I was teaching recently they were around $20,000-25,000.

The idea of instructors who have paid $60,000 ++ for a CPL and instructor rating to be earning $25,000pa is demeaning :yuk: I think - especially in this market. Learn how to negotiate a better salary or be prepared to walk if you want some decent and fair $$$ :ok:.

Happy flight levels :),

TSIO540

[flysaucer1200]

To the tune of melodious piano keys striking the famous words into our souls,

“like sand in the hour glass, these are the days of our lives”

Say, fellow Compatriots, brilliant piece of espionage. V Putin, would be proud.

However, as a man shaves, small trickles of fresh blood roll down his mug, into his pool of clear fresh morning water, which soon becomes tainted red.

Or

“All streams and rivers seek the path to the ocean”

However, there are a few places around that already have Kiwis as instructors. A lot will not move across to the land of Captain Thunderbolt, as they wish to stay home in the land of the Moa. I have heard the discussion a zillion times. Every day it’s the same thing ( what about ozz man, you goen?
oh! Its Friday too, and tonight the players gather at the trough at AR airport and, again the ( Ozy instructor ) discussion will be had, a tad inspired by this thread, no doubt )

But, those that do go are, I state, are very determined to fly for a career. And usually, all dogged and unwavering individuals will do no harm to a society. ( exceptions of course! )

But still, there are flying schools pumping out flying instructors in quick succession here. And, this is certainly due to the availability of the government to grant student loans for instructor courses.

0012sf

[mattyj]

Flysaucer you are hurting my brain:eek: