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IndinnaJones
11th Aug 2008, 10:16
Saw this today, anyone heard of this?

Link:
Airline Power play - Local News - News - General - Central Western Daily (http://orange.yourguide.com.au/news/local/news/general/airline-power-play/1240241.aspx)

Article:

Airline Power play

10/08/2008 8:45:00 PM
FLYING to Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane directly out of Orange Airport is set to become a reality after it was revealed a second airline desperately wants in on the Orange market.
If successful the second airline would not only introduce an entirely new market to the city but would break the monopoly held by embattled carrier Regional Express on a number of regional routes within a 150 kilometre radius of Orange.

The plan involves turning the small Australian Executive Air Charter service, currently based in Orange, into a fully fledged airline boasting an enormous 48 seat jet capable of flying to Sydney in just 20 minutes.

Flights to and from Brisbane and Melbourne would also form part of the airline’s key routes together with a ‘hub concept’ incorporating flights to Parkes, Dubbo, Wellington and Forbes.

The new airline’s chief proponent, Gerald Power, yesterday promised the airline would be more reliable and cheaper than service currently offered by Rex and said the service could be up and running by December.

“Following on from some of the news about Rex’s performance we believe Orange deserves a competitive and reliable service on the tarmac and that is exactly what we want to provide,” Mr Power said.

“They [Rex] has had time to provide a good service and the point is pretty obvious that they have not done that despite the fares they expect people to pay. I guarantee our fares will always be cheaper than Rex,” he said.

The Central Western Daily understands council staff are extremely supportive of the bid to introduce a second airline into the Orange market after learning the airline hopes to attract 100,000 passengers a year after five years of initial operation.

By comparison, around 60,000 people use the Orange to Sydney route each year.

The 48 seater EMB 145 jet that would form a key asset of the airline landed in Orange on Friday and was inspected by several Orange councillors and senior staff.

“When it pulled up at the airport terminal it pretty much made the Rex plane look like a toy. It’s a big plane that’s for sure, much larger than the current 30 seats that are on offer so the capacity is there to really increase the number of people we bring into this city each year,” Mr Power said.

“Now we are setting about attracting investors, local investors, because you need to have largely local ownership of this thing for it to be supported and for the service to be tailored to local needs. That’s the point Rex has missed over the years.”

Skystar320
11th Aug 2008, 12:53
The 48 seater EMB 145 jet that would form a key asset of the airline landed in Orange on Friday and was inspected by several Orange councillors and senior staff.



*Cough* Skyairworld

VH-Cheer Up
11th Aug 2008, 14:47
Isn't the ERJ145 a bit runway-hungry?

How long is the strip at Orange?

capt787
11th Aug 2008, 14:49
maybe they should paint their jet in orange :rolleyes:

Skystar320
11th Aug 2008, 15:03
The citris acid, gives the 145 an extra boost

Horatio Leafblower
11th Aug 2008, 21:49
Citric Acid or Cirrus Acid? :uhoh:

As Darryl Kerrigan would say: "Tell 'em they're dreamin'..." :hmm:

Fantome
11th Aug 2008, 21:54
ahh. .. . great flick . .. . . ."Get ya hand off it Darryl!"

Buster Hyman
11th Aug 2008, 22:15
Reg Ansett started with Oranges didn't he....

Howard Hughes
12th Aug 2008, 00:05
Virgin obviously knocked the locals back, probably with very good reason...:rolleyes:

ORG-SY to short for a jet, ORG-ML or BN, surely there isn't enough passengers to make this viable!

Skystar320
12th Aug 2008, 00:10
Reg Ansett started with Oranges didn't he....

In the back of his strubacker...... yes!

Fare paying passengers carried fruit as he wasnt allowed to charge for fair paying passengers

KRUSTY 34
12th Aug 2008, 00:14
How do you make a small fortune in the airline business?

I think Mr Power may just find out!

THE ORACLE
12th Aug 2008, 00:36
The EMB 145's and CRJ 200's are all progressively being 'pushed against the fence' in the northern hemisphere regional markets in favour of larger aircraft with lower unit costs.

These aircraft are 'gas guzzlers' when fuel prices are over 20-30 USD per barrel and no business plan can stand up using the 50 seaters unless you can fill it every flight with passengers paying an uncompetitively high fare every time (SYD-OAG) AND have some additional and attractive uncontested 500 mile routes that passengers want to fly 4 to 6 times per day.

If you think otherwise, have a look at what has happened to 'Expressjet' (XJT) in the U.S. since the price of fuel started spiking. The are a very large EMB 145 operator (215 aircraft) and in May they reported a first quarter loss of $31.3Mill (USD).

If SAW had their EMB 145 in Orange (looking for business and chasing silly ideas) then clearly SAW have some cash flow issues and prospective pilot employees should take heed!

As for the rest, I agree with Krusty's comment - In aviation some people are much more willing than able!!

Skystar320
12th Aug 2008, 01:49
I suggest to those people who want to make money out of Aviation to go and buy a new pair of jeans without any holes in.


Further points the fact to WTF is going on with SAW?

fritzandsauce
12th Aug 2008, 02:45
"boasting an enormous 48 seat jet"

If thats enormous what would you class an A380 as or even the DH8-400 as?

Skystar320
12th Aug 2008, 03:24
I only flew in an EMB-145 once, and found it rather claustropohical compared to the CRJ, knowing very well the 145 is virtually a EMB-120ER hull

KRUSTY 34
12th Aug 2008, 05:24
You know, It's simply amazing just how little, local government and the media that stir them up, really know about aviation. With all the information readily available these days, gullible people will still allow themselves to be duped.

Don't get me wrong. I would like nothing better than to see some further growth and inovation in the regional market, but this idea will just not fly! (pardon the pun). Either the proponents will see the reality and quietly pull back, or it will be a complete financial and logistical clusterf#ck. If it does come to that, I only hope the innocent people with stars in their eyes aren't too badly burnt. It will be interesting to see what the ill informed journalist of the Central Western Daily will make of that.

If they (the proponents) do press forward with it however, it will be entertaining.

go_soaring
12th Aug 2008, 06:34
I guess this could have something to do with it. SAW would've heard about the opportunity and decided to at least have a look into the route.

Cloud hangs over Rex airline service - Local News - News - General - Central Western Daily (http://orange.yourguide.com.au/news/local/news/general/cloud-hangs-over-rex-airline-service/1233928.aspx)


go_soaring! instead

THE ORACLE
12th Aug 2008, 07:00
go,

If your speculation is correct and SAW did respond to that piece in the paper they are both hungry and very...very...naive. QED!!

bushy
12th Aug 2008, 07:30
Major airlines have always tried to put pressure on governments, councils etc to give them monopolies and freebies.

Buster Hyman
12th Aug 2008, 08:55
Mind you, if DJ fall over in May as I've heard...it could be a goer!:p

mr.tos
12th Aug 2008, 09:15
If thats enormous what would you class an A380 as or even the DH8-400 as?

One big ass behemoth :eek:

HAMO
13th Aug 2008, 09:06
If Rex cant make a profit on the SYD-OAG route then there will be a lot of others go before it.

In the days of Hazelton's, the SYD-OAG run was the most profitable in the company -- propped up a lot of others.