Cebu Pacific

[captain_mark747]

Hi

Just have a question to anyone who may know about the 500 hr flight time requirement for Cebpacs ATR....

Does the flight time include hours flown in a cessna 150 or cessna's for that matter? for example hours that you gained during your training as a student pilot all the way through CPL/IR/ME ratings?

Would being a CFI on a cessna be enough to apply as an FO for the atr?

Or do the hours have to be earned elsewhere? Such as flying for charter companies?

Appreciate any feedbacks.
Thanks and Godbless!

[DeratedThrust]

Good day to you, allow me to just help get the ball rolling here;
Does the flight time include hours flown in a cessna 150 or cessna's for that matter? for example hours that you gained during your training as a student pilot all the way through CPL/IR/ME ratings?

500 hours is grand total (minimum) on your experience. This is not type specific (for obvious reasons).

Would being a CFI on a cessna be enough to apply as an FO for the atr?

Having a CFI credential does help. Again not type specific. Although having the experience in complex aircraft, flying environment, more advanced avionics, multi time, night flying, actual IFR exposure, ...etc etc etc would determine IF your minimum requirements are deemed acceptable for ATR FO duties. In 5J, they will initially consider ATTITUDE as one of the fundamental criteria. Then will train you to proficiency. They will not hesitate to send you home even on the first week of basic indoctrination if justified by your attitude and performance.

Or do the hours have to be earned elsewhere? Such as flying for charter companies?

'Real-world' flying experience will get you noticed. Example, flying command in charter/VIP flying, Regional experience, Freight flying (like the guys doing the Caravan run in Subic Naval base, though that is turbine)... etc. 91 and or 135 time is good.

I hope this helps. good day!

[flyboylipad]

Capt Mark,

Yeah the 500hrs is your total aeronautical experience. I got in with majority of my experience as a Flt Inst in Aust.

It all boils down to your Attitude, performance on the interview and sim check. With hard work you can do it.

Cheers mate

PS: Good luck to all those having interviews for ATR this week :)

Flyboy

[yano]

i already asked this question on another ceb pac thread:

So how's the recruitment going on? Are they still taking time in hiring the next batch of ATR trainees? (Considering they have passed the interview and sim check and yet still waiting for ceb pac's call)

Amidst the oil price hikes, there's no Freeze Hiring at all?

[DeratedThrust]

According to the insiders, 7 - 8 Training Captains and 4 - 5 Training F/Os leaving for BKK and KUL this August. September-end batch might comprise the same number. Expecting 3 to 4 more ATRs for this year. August batch will only cover (accdg to source) up to the 3rd or 4th plane which is expected mid September.

Management expediting the Training Captains because of low supply on the left-seat. Some A320 F/Os with high command times were allowed to bid for the ATR command position.



:ok:

[yano]

Thanks DeratedThrust :ok:

Hope your "inside source" will keep you updated. And of course, it would be nice if you could share those info to us :)

[captain_mark747]

Flyboy

So from what you said you were an FI back in aus?

From what I understand your now flying with Cebpac?

Thanks & Blue skies

[flyboylipad]

Yep, CP is a good company. Its all been good so far. :ok:

[JolibeeFlyer]

Any updates as to what the waiting period is for the ATR? Gave my application back in June and no call yet...Really excited and anxious. Been studying up turbines and refreshing the old noggin with IFR reading:}

[DeratedThrust]

no worries JolibeeFlyer, they will call more applicants in for interview.

[mandaragit]

Captain Mark, congratulations for the successful launch of this new thread on one of the more dynamic airline company on this side of the world.

:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

[JolibeeFlyer]

Well, its good to hear that they are going to call more applicants, real good news. I just hope they give me a heads up early so I can get back to the Philippines.

Are they planning to call interviews for August or September? Any updates would sure be appreciated.

Blue Skies everyone:ok:

[fingus]

are u flying the atr's?

hope to meet you soon mate.

[little_flyer_340]

This is a good development for airlines wanabees. I'm sending my application too. :D

[DeratedThrust]

JolibeeFlyer,

they normally post the list of applicants in the bulletin board for everyone's comments, etc... Last Friday, they called in 8 for initial interview. Now, I don't know if this 8 was on the list posted three weeks ago. Now, if they were, then next month, more than likely they will call in more for August, so on and so forth. I do believe they are pooling the F/O applicants since they are 'easier' to find. Not unlike for ATR Captains.

When they do call you, they will offer a date for initial interview. Tell them if you can make it or not. Offer an alternative date closest to what they gave. If okay with them, then good for you. On day of meeting, if they like what they see and hear, then expect to spend more time in being around their offices than just for the initial meet. If they need more requirements from you, then thats a good indication.

I hope this helps somehow.

good luck!

[JolibeeFlyer]

That info good to know, thanks. I just hope they give me more heads up because I am still working in the states flying and not that it's hard to get a plane ticket, I just want to make sure I leave on a good note with my flight school.

thanks again.

[e6b]

Cebu Pac ATR division requires 20 more Captains and 15 First Officers. Expecting 6 aircraft online this year and another 4 next year for a total of 10. There is an option for 8 more aircraft on top of the 10.

The technical portion of the Initial Interview is tough. Questions asked will be commensurate to your flight time/experience.
If you don't know what you don't/should know then you are in big trouble.

[powerstall]

Brush up on your instrument and raw data... heard there is now a long list for F/O's... on the ATR... but the left seat still needs a lot of more able bodies, 2nd batch from training arriving this August...

Rumour has it that the Airbus division has stopped hiring... any truth to the fact that the ATR's will be the entry level when joining Cebu Pac? :ok:

[John Holmes junior]

Kudos to the ATR chief Pilot for a great job in selecting Pilots. Only those "deserving" are given the nod. If only they did the same for the Airbus Fleet, we would save a lot of Time and Money on the recurrent retakes.

Thanks to Capt LG "Kilabot ng mga Butaw", the tables have turned on those whose flying skills are barely on par with ppl holders, but still miraculously manage to be released on the 320! They are being off-sked until they are deemed worth to be paid their salaries . Let's put back professionalism (and common sense) in our company guys!

To captains S.A. and L.G. keep up the good work!:D

[DrahNa]

Does anybody know if I have a shot in getting in with Cebu Pac?

I've got about 1300TT, and about 100 hrs ERJ145 time. I was wondering if they're hiring FOs for the AirBus or just FO now on the ATRs.:ok:

Thank you.

[EECEPR]

As stated we need ATR captians - 1500 minimum does not matter what race color etc etc. The CAAP allows it and we can not find pinoys at this time...............

[ocdg]

hi folks!

to those asking what are the requirements for cebupac, read the requirements in their website... except for the ATR. i think 500++ total time is ok. no hidden details to their requirements.

to those flying outside the phil wanting to apply for cebupac, its better if you get a conversion with the CAAP first. its going to take some time, believe me!:{ So it will be difficult if they consider you and you can't produce a philippine license. it happend to me, but its a good thing i got my license just in time.

we're here in bangkok right now hammering the ATR to our heads... the next batch is to KL in the next few days.

good luck to everyone applying:ok:

[tOOT3r]

just want to ask someone in here who had an experience with an interview with atr fo position how the interview went, what was asked and emphasized. what was asked to be done in the sim check etc. thanks guys..

when will the hiring stop for the atr? i want to plan when to convert my license then apply since i am based in the u.s. hopefully i get in time before it ends. goodluck guys

[yowdude]

if the copilot is " butaw " id like to know before i fly with him.

[sidsrovers]

According to the Marketing Department of Alpha Aviation Group LTD a global group of companies providing specialist and innovative training solutions. They claim Clark Aviation is a subsidiary of Alpha Aviation in Clark Freeport

They claim they OWN a CAE level D JAR STD1A, A320 FFS, Specification : A1600-CIA01 full flight simulator

Is that the same as the one owned by 5J or they now have their OWN

[Glafto]

nice innocent question you have there, sidsrover. you posted detailed and even confidential company info in the Clark Aviation thread and now you ask people in this Cebu Pacific thread as if you don't know what's happening inside CA. spread your rumors somewhere else.:=

[ssassik]

congratulation to the last ATR group who finished and pass the checkride, except to the one that is pain in the as:mad: who think he can do the training on his own.

Idi:yuk:t where did you get your flight training because you should ask for reimbursment, you did not learn a squat.

I dont know who is your padrino inside the cebu pac. but i bet you, we dont want to be associated with you :=. Captains you can have him, he is all yours.

Your chief pilot S.A. need to remind you about your attitude adjustment if you want to continue working at cebu pac.

[ssassik]

You think! we are not surprise. Have you think that you just claimed and identified your self. good thinking :D. may you walk in peace

[B747-800]

guess with the losses cebu pacific makes they soon have to ask for some re-financing

[jester_icarus]

"guess with the losses cebu pacific makes they soon have to ask for some re-financing"

????????

hey toot3r... what are you waiting for. convert your license already. send in your resume and then keep following up. nothings going to happen if you dont start the process.

i know what your thinking..it may be costly to convert now and not get an interview. but when are things ever concrete. but of course if you dont convert you wont get the ball rolling.

ATR are hiring are continuous. 2 more to arrive before end of this year..and more to come next year. you can bet those first batch FO's will be upgraded so more FO position to open.

typical questions maybe about IFR procedures..ones that you should and are already familiar with. probly about your past aircraft that you flew. your work experience.

[thrust clb]

what re-financing? Just flew five days straight, and never a flight below 120pax...and this is supposed to be "lean season". :p


Last week while asking for atc clearance in singapore...we reported "182 souls on board" our a320... while Pal, using an A330 had just 90. :rolleyes:


The only re-financing you must be talking about are the Bupak pilots selling their old cars and financing for new ones! :}

[jester_icarus]

yeah saw that... brand new cars for sale with sales people circling around the Bupaks office. they can smell the money.

[DeratedThrust]

Is he for Capt or F/O on the ATR?

[SlamBam]

If this is the same RS I met, he's an ATR F/O.

Don't know the inside story on what happened in training though.

[klcdenver]

What is pay scale for FO & Captains?

[HarmonRabb]

Hey guys, does anyone know of my chances of getting in if I have an A320 type rating from the U.S. although no time on type. I have all the minimum requirements of flying time.

Also, can someone advise me as to how I can transfer the A320 type rating from my FAA license to the RP license if I can't do a check ride due to availability of simulators.

thanks in advance

[jester_icarus]

Turn in your resume....better if you have already converted your FAA license to CAAP license.

[buskoto]

Harm,

Aren't you rated on F-14s? :)

I don't know just how much weight the A320 rating will carry given you have little or no actual time. CEB will train an applicant all over again anyway--it has its own sim after all. But it certainly won't hurt to turn in your resume and get your license converted. The bus rating might be good enough to get your foot in the door.

There is a surplus of A320 F/Os at this point and a new batch just finished ground schooling. It is rumored to be the last A320 F/O class in a long while, although direct-hire captains are still welcome. The ATR division is hiring continuously though, so you might want to look into that. Captains, ATR or Airbus, are still in short supply.

[klcdenver]

Does anyone know the pay scale for FO & Captains?

[thrust clb]

Harm dont waste your dough on getting your own 320 type rating. Buskuto is right there is a surplus of 320 fo's at the moment, the 14 that went on ground schooling last month are still awaiting their sim dates. Plus at least 25 ex- airphil 737 capts and f/o's who are very well qualified for the next 320 schooling. As per Phil daily Inquirer, Bupak lost P1.7B this year mainly due to the Peso deval and fuel prices few months past. Things are looking grim indeed...747-800's post about refinancing may be right.:bored:

[buskoto]

thrust clb, what airline wasn't hit by the fuel crisis a few months ago? Fuel suddenly surges 96%... what airline could possibly survive that for long?

On the positive side, the airline's outlook seems to be healthier now than it was a few months ago now that its main cost--fuel--has come down from ridiculous levels. In fact, it might even be cheaper now than the time Bupak posted the phenomenal P2B net income for 2007.

Commercial Planning seems unfazed. They firmly believe growth prospects are still there for the airline even with the present financial crisis. Gross revenues and passenger numbers are still climbing, so they must know something we don't.

The loss was blamed mainly on two things: fuel cost and foreign exchange losses. Fuel costs went up from somewhere in the P3B-plus range in 2007 to over P6.5B. On the foreign exchange side, from P40-$1, it is now P50-$1, a foreign exchange loss of over 20%. Which meant that dollar-denominated obligations the airline had to pay suddenly became over 20% higher. Double whammy!

Yet if bupak revenues weren't growing, the airline would actually be posting over P3B in losses from fuel cost and forex loss alone. But it isn't.

So... let's keep fingers crossed that the spike in fuel prices and the foreign exchange losses are not a recurring thing for the airline. Or else those cars standing in the parking lot may need refinancing, and not for new ones!:{

[thrust clb]

Two words for boskuto: SHARP AH!:ok:

[B747-800]

The only re-financing you must be talking about are the Bupak pilots selling their old cars and financing for new ones! http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gif

the latest report says:

Cebu Pacific posts nine-month loss

Philippine low-cost carrier Cebu Pacific fell into the red for the first nine months of the year as costs rose and it suffered foreign exchange losses.
Parent company JG Summit Holdings says in a stock exchange filing that Cebu Pacific suffered a net loss of 1.87 billion pesos ($38 million) in the January-September period, compared to a net profit last year of 2.53 billion pesos.

It says revenue grew 28.3%, to 13.9 billion pesos from 10.8 billion pesos, as it continued with an aggressive expansion that has seen it adding more routes and operating more flights on established routes.

Costs rose 47%, however, to 13.2 billion pesos from 8.9 billion pesos. Fuel costs alone jumped 96%.

Cebu Pacific also booked a foreign exchange loss of 1.57 billion pesos during the nine-month period, compared to a gain in the same nine months of the previous year of 1.06 billion pesos.



re-financing on the horizon?

[buskoto]

If it's any consolation, PAL likewise lost heavily around the same period. $114M. That's over P5B.

No one was immune from that fuel price surge.

Let's see what the next several months will bring.

[Cessna1052]

Its definitely a tough time for most of the Airlines, lucky are we that still our companies keeps us flying.
Correct strategies must be properly formulated to traverse this existing economic downturn, and I can only wish that job cut-offs will not be one of them.

[hoover1]

anyone know if they are hiring atr capains with prior experience but not a philipine citizen?

[738FO]

hoover1

I think they are still hiring , there is a post here somewhere regarding that.

GodSpeed

[NewBreedflyboy]

Hello

Question for anyone who knows about Cebu Pacific hiring requirements:

1) The minimum total time requirement for First Officer?
2) What are the chances to get a flying job in the Philippines for someone like me living in the U.S.
3) Do you need to be a Filipino citizen?

I am currently finishing on my multi commercial rating and also planning to go to ATP-All Transport Professional "Jet certification training program." afterwards.

Did anyone watch the Cebu Pacific dvd from Just Plane(World Air Route). I am proud to say that Pinoy pilot are very professional in the cockpit. I enjoy watching them joking around in the cockpit while flying. That's what we do as pinoy. After all, we are voted as one of the happiest people on earth.

Who is Capt Avila. His funny and knows his stuff! I'd like to meet him someday.
I collect airline video and have about 12dvd now. Let me tell you that CEBU PACIFIC is one of my favorite.


Happy Landing:ok:

NewBreedflyboy

[fahlguy]

Does anyone if Cebu is still hiring American expat for Captain positions. I have sent several resumes to Sam Avilaii, but have not heard anything back in several weeks. Any information would be greatly appreciated

[klcdenver]

Does anyone know the pay scale for FO & Captains? Where are base's for Cebu?

[Space_odyssey]

I`m also interested in any contract positions as captain with cebu pacific, anybody know if they`re using any contract agencies, t & c`s etc ?

[hoover1]

they are accpecting expat captains for the atr but only if you are current.

[Riz0]

Does anyone know of any flight schools in east asia.... that do integrated commercial pilot licensing programs

Thanks

[sam avila]

fahlguy: my apologies if you did not receive my reply to your email. I will resend it ASAP.

For expat ATR Captains, we are hiring direct and only those currently type rated on the 72-500.

For ATR First Officers, I only have 8 slots left. Should be a Philippine Passport holder. minimum 500 hours with multi engine experience.

email me at [email protected]

Best regards.

Sam

[Space_odyssey]

Sam Avila:

Can you advise us on the terms & conditions for expats as there is very little information on the net regarding this.

[sam avila]

newbreed: glad you enjoyed the vid. fly safe.

space odyssey: terms and conditions vary whether one is a TRE, TRI. or line Captain. Also variable is the preferred "weeks on / weeks off". For a TRI , pay is roughly 12500usd with housing accommodation, transportation, airline tickets....
Best is to send your CV; I will screen it and forward it to our Head of HR, who would then get in touch with you if everything checks out.

Best regards.

Sam

[Navitimer]

Jester,

Are you bragging or are you complaining?
Be careful what you ask for....you just might get it :=

[jester_icarus]

im happy as a blue bird singing "what a wonderful world..." :) .....im happy just to be employed. Happy Holidays to all....

[buskoto]

Oh c'mon Jester. There are far worse ways of spending Christmas... :)

In fact, flying is a GREAT way to spend Christmas if you really can't spend it at home.

Happy Holidays!

[flyboylipad]

Yep, like Santa and his reindeers!! ;)

For Aviators SKy is the HOME! :ok:

Happy holidays

[HVYMETLDRIVERWANNABE]

this may be too little to late but what are the plans for the new year now that fuel has dropped? I know things will be slow until spring... but I was hoping to move overseas flying a jet... I can't claim any type ratings but I got 1387TT with 282 turboprop (single engine)... :ok: I'm an American too!

[subsonic69]

cebu pac pilots .... most are cool ....

cebu pac cab crew ... give em a few drinks and you decide ...

:D

[Left Wing]

so where is Hulk HOGAN now some say he is now with Air Asia ???

[cncalpha]

Hulk BH is working for Alpha Aviation as the new CEO. He is based in Singapore. Thats the news that came from the GM of CA in Pampanga, GM used to work for the Hulk before in 5J.

[captaincrane]

Just curious how the hiring forecast is looking for the next few months??

ATPL. 2100TT 1000Multi Turbine

Canadian Citizen (Mom Filipino).....cheers

[buskoto]

Sugeng, if you do come here, you'll be the one speaking funny.

[Guava Tree]

No lorries, no worries !

[eagle135]

u guys speak funny... u always want 10-20 miles left/right of "truck" ..... lol

Sugeng!
Asking 10-20 miles left/right of "treck" is the funniest.
You can have your "kek" and eat it, too.
I hope to hear you "beck".

[Geebz]

I pulled up the route map on the cebu website.

The flying looks awesome.

Questions I have for the ATR drivers:

1) What is the base you're required to be at?
2) How many routes does the ATR fly to? Cities pls?
3) As an expat, can I move my family there?
4) Would it be safe to live in another city outside Manilla, on say an island somewhere and commute in for work? Is that even possible?
5) What is the roster rotation.

Thanks!

[Space_odyssey]

Any answers to the previous question?

Also very interested !

[jester_icarus]

1) What is the base you're required to be at?
All. :) Manila, Cebu

2) How many routes does the ATR fly to? Cities pls?
Multiplicity....and counting. :eek:

3) As an expat, can I move my family there?
Its been done. :ok:

4) Would it be safe to live in another city outside Manilla, on say an island somewhere and commute in for work? Is that even possible?
As long as you sign in and show up for work. :O

5) What is the roster rotation.
huh? :ooh:

[RNAV.CAP]

anybody following the thread of the cheap pilots sa and cp? at the cebu pac pilots EXODUS:ooh: they were tallkin bout same a villa and cheap pia mountain.... where is the thread!!

suddenly it disappeared!!!:sad:


how does a thread disappear btw?:* does the thread starter delete the thread and suddently ..... gone??

domo arigato;)

[Guava Tree]

Yes, if the thread starter deletes his original post the whole thread disappears for ever, as was the case for the China Airlines thread.

[Oz_TB10]

Hey guys,

What are the chances for 284TT CPL/IR fATPL ( Malaysian )? If any?

Thanks guys.

P.S. Non-citizen or resident

[RNAV.CAP]

oh great guava tree...thank you.

can he bring it back?

[freezoneunite]

rnav.cap

the thread was cebupac pilot exodus, i didnt start the thread but i just "aired the issue" regarding a certain group of FI's in bupak,....

...can't remember what i wrote but here goes... been drinking with a few buddies, both male and female, flt deck and cabin...cabin crew women, flt deck men.

generally pissed off with two cheap pilots in bupak, one cheap pia mountain, and the other one sama a vile.

apparent one of the left seat as aired by these buddies as, insecure, power tripper, balding, no kids, one who does not know how to use that thing between his legs,... or stuff like, if you are happy with the size of it, then it shows the way you walk with it...but if you aint happy, then you put doe=wn other people so to make that little thing look big......this same left seater known to be son of ex 747 retired captain inday pia mountain..., not really liked at his time and had to baby sit the training of cheap during his ab initio...at the horror of the aviation school
so the shout is cheap.....and he whispers against cptchetdc9 whom he claims to have been terminated in indi go coz of his affair with mary jane.

second left seat bad guy is another cheap, this time cheap pilot of the turbo prob

sama (also a filipino word for bad), another power tripper bullies the new hires, new guys,...we were all new guys, without a voice , without much knowledge so we choose to learn...and surely, this 2nd cheap pilot teaches them the value of putting people down, of taling behind your back, of endorsing(the negative part of endorsing is the next instructor/pilot will already be biased agains you)

and these two cheap pilots think they are and are feeling americans...ask pino abyador what he means....

will try to recall some more... this post too good to disappear :mad:

[whitebugplusten]

i'm new here at bupak so haven't really gotten to know everyone. flew with captain avila on my IOE, true he is strict but he is not unfair. does he bully pilots? well i know he had a word with an airbus fo who was bullying us new atr guys...captain piamonte, i just see him hanging around the lung center, not much i can say about him.

[jester_icarus]

this is a rumor network. please use better judgment and don't post names . if you witness something at work..keep it at work. its internal.

what did you gain by your post and naming names? you said that you were treated fairly during your IOE. what could be interesting in bringing up a discussion between two pilots that's none of anyone s business?

...check your speed. it may be RB+10..you're in ice.

Safe Flying

[whitebugplusten]

sorry sir, will check my speed. just don't like it when people badmouth the Chief. He's got enough problems already.

WBplus10

[AvEnthusiast]

Does Cebu Pacific hire foreign pilots?

[jamestaylor]

Good question the new CAAP regs (and old) allow anyone to fly it will not happen as the phil is only a one way sreet................

Best of luck

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

wb + 10

am glad you had a good experience with the cheap.

really good for you... now, let me also tell you some of us have a bad experience with them...

so, let us tell our truth ok?

keep the 10 above and the 5 below... or esle, go around!

let me shTaHrt with 320 cheap. let me give you a bkground....his father was not any darned good as well, thats why Dey called him enday. like jaime lee curtis except the first one is sufficient...this old FART used to bully the first officer and the engineer in the 747 200, I SHOULD KNOW, WE HAVE FRIENDS WITH CABIN CREW IN PR RIGHT?? and worse part is he would embarrass them and tsismis them behind their backs...yes... like a girl, ... AND he was abusing his power. then after he became a retardate at the age of 60, he joined PHILIIPPINE AIRLINES aviation school, the same time cheap pia mountain was a trainee,....COINCIDENCE???

so this cheap is what IT is for the tree that IT came from is rotten... and i will say again and i know this that CHEAP is very jelous for people like EXPATULA who made it big, and for the other pilots who leave bupak. does IT have the right or does anybody have the right to vehemently say bad things about them..?? LISTEN TO CHEAP SPEAK BAD AGAINST PEOPLE WHO MADE IT BIG OUTSIDE AND USUALLY CHEAP WILL GUISE IT IN SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE OUTSIDE ARE NO GOOD
and if you ask me if do i have the right as well? like i said in my disappearing post, no. i hide behind the name, but i have a reason, and a purpose...to expose my truth and hopefully others will follow!!

and this will come as a surprise someday... what if suddenly i have a recording of this cheap pia mountain bad mouthing chetdc9 that he was terminal in indi go for smokin with mary jane...and that he came back because of this reason...though i agree with dc9 that he is "prodigal not!!" idol!!!!!!!!!!!:ok:

NOW WHY IS THIS CHEAP SO ENVIOUS, SO JEALOUS OF PEOPLE HAVING SUCCESS OUTSIDE HIS LITTLE POND?? JUST WHY DOES HE TURN BROWN WITH THE SMELL OF CRAP??

i could give answers like insecurity, envy, small birdy,you name it!:}
you see happy people talk about happy things, happy events, small birds talk against other people...let cheap smoke his lungs out, he is a vexation to your spirit:E

now, to you wb + 10, you sure your cheap is strict, and not a a bully, and i will ask you again, ARE YOU SURE , and a 100 PERCENT HE HAS NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT FELLOW PILOTS, THAT HE HAS NEVER BULLIED FELLOW PILOTS, THAT HE HAS NEVER ENDORSED ANY OF THE NEW GUYS WITH THE WORDS... ATTITUDE PROLBEM, OR LOUSY FLIER, or as trivial a resentment as hindi binati, or NOT ACKNOWLEDGED AND THEY HOLD A GRUDGE ON YOU,...OR RECEPIENT OF THE OTHER AIRLINE.ETC...:ouch:

ARE YOU SURE???? :*

[RNAV.CAP]

FINALLY!!!

FIRST OF ALL LET ME TELL YOU BOUT AN EMAIL I SENT THAT WAS NEVER POSTED .... THERE ARE TWO GOOD PIAS... THE ARCHBISHOP OF PANAY WHERE I ALWAYS ADMIRE A SERVANT OF THE SUPREME BEING, AND THE NAME ALIKE ARCHANGEL GABRIEL, WHO LIVES AMONGST US IN BUPAK, AND HAS A GREAT OFFSPRING AS WELL gBOY.....gBOY U R GOOD!!

AND NOW THE DARK SIDE.... TAMA YUN ABOUT THE PAYING STUDS!! INDAY WAS AN AHOLE!! DI LANG AHOLE, P...:mad:TNG:mad: I:mad:NA TALAGA YANG MAG-AMA., THE CH.P AND THE JA.ME.... IN ENGLISH... REST IN PIECES...
:D

THEY WERE NO GOOD!! A FRAUD CASE OF ENRICHING HIMSELF WAS COMPLAINED BY THE PAYING STUD IN EARLY 90'S AGAINST THIS IND AY JA.ME.......AND HE WAS TERMINATED in pal aviation school FOR PADDING THE HOURS OF THE PAYING STUDENTS JUST FOR HIM TO EARN A MEASLY 75 PESOS PER HOUR WHILE THE PAYING STUDENTS PAID A LOT MORE....I SHOULD KNOW...check these facts....number 1 he was only in palavschl for 1 year...so, did it mean he was just there for cheap, that after cheap, he is also gone,???or his contract was not renewed....why it was not renewed...welllllll terminal 3!!!

, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THIS

P..TNG.. INA JP DID?

on one occasion, one of the flt dspatchers who became a cadet and finally had a chance to train as systems engineer ... remember hm? rm?
this ahole intervenes and somehow gets this poor guy out of the training class...he made a story that the instrument rating of rm was fake!!!

TALK ABOUT SPREADING BAD WORDS, MAN HIS FATHER WAS JUST LIKE HIM.... PAKIALAMERA,.....

his side of the family rots...:yuk::yuk::yuk:

kunbawa!!

[PCLCREW]

this comes from Cebu's website:

Job Description :
Fly our brand new A319 / A320 / ATR 72-500
Ensures safety of passengers at all times
Qualifications:
Male / Female
Must have at least 1,500 flying time
Must have a Philippine commercial pilot license with instrument
Must have a radio license
Must have at least 2nd class medical license
Must be a Filipino citizen / holder of Philippine passport

I thought Cebu hired expats?

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

pclcrew, avethusiast, jamestaylor...

dnt mind my psts hir... but read thru dem and xpect that there are SOME pilots here that r reali dirt cheap!... a lot of dem r also RESENTFUL., in pinoy parlance matampuhing ungoy....if u forgot to greet them, or esp if you dont greEt them then the will make you knock your head...:ugh:
just endemic insecurities of SOME...one is just ol, ex airforce, used to be captain in dc 9, demoted to first officer kasi he already hit a gound object in the engine, was dragging the debris around bacolod airport , and still wanted to hide the incident and take off with the plane.....knw what, remove ur unifrm, go to a drug store, i myt gv u 20 pesos, to buy acid and wash your mouth:O

lam mo JOST ol, i dont know how often you have to lick the bums of del rose are yu but you must be so full of crap it really comes out of your mouth:p man, how cn he even recmend u to fly d 320???:yuk:

[whitebugplusten]

sir, i speak out of my first hand experience with the chief. maybe so do you, i would not know... if the chief failed you, or someone you hold dear, in your training, then i feel sorry for you. but i'm sure he did it with good reason.
the chief actually did not release me on my first check ride, it was a "lousy" crosswind landing and i didn't recognize that i was above the glide slope. i admit this and he wrote it on my grade slip. he also briefed the tri i was to fly with regarding my deficiencies prior to my re-check. when he briefed the tri about my deficiencies i was not there, the tri just told me. did the chief talk behind my back, i guess he did but that's what instructors do. instructors brief each other on their students' progress,weaknesses, and "dangerous characteristics". i eventually got my recheck and passed, got an s+ and i'm happy as a puppy!
i was a former fi over at the bay area and every friday afternoon us instructors would go to our watering hole and talk about our students. we discussed their progress,weaknesses, and "dangerous characteristics". did we speak behind their backs? WE SURE DID! it's not easy being an fi, everyday we put our licenses on ther line, you never know if the guy in the other seat is gonna kill you.
we had this one guy who was a great hand flyer but just couldn't do ifr, and he had an "attitude problem" because he would never admit it. i never released him but he somehow manage to get an faa checkairman to sign him off...a few months later on a foggy afternoon, this same guy winds up on the side of mount diablo. i feel sorry for him but he was a complete idiot.
in the atr we got 72 souls at the back, on the bus, double that. if a tri will not trust his family with you then he will not release you for solo, less he have sleepless nights...

now i think i'm entitled to a few questions...you definitely are not from the atr div, the chief has not flunked anyone ...yet. airbus? but he has not flown the bus in more than a year...anyone fail in the bus recently?

[thrust clb]

tsk tsk tsk..first it was chip (along with his dad), then it was sam, then chet and now good ol' RJ? when will this demolition job and public display of Hatred end? :sad: nW97 You should see a psychiatrist. seriously dude, there are other ways to vent your anger. We are living harmonously at Bupak , don't mess with us.

[Butingting]

I was with CP for a long time and we loved everybody especially the "originals"..like ol rj..we guys have to find the ability and the skill to look for their 'kiliti". And we worked harmoniously,..minsan nag aasaran in a happy manner..but it was that kind of culture that the other airline crews envied about. The rumors, we only hear at old DV or over a bottle of booz anywhere else but it stops there. On the job, we strived hard to practice professionalism. Bad experiences are just to remind you of what to do next time same thing happens. We don't bad mouth anyone much more conduct hate campaigns. But what is happening now with that culture? It looks like CebPak has scraped the bottom of the pan that new people have no idea about the oldies there have undergone in fully supporting and uplifting CebuPackers identity during the hard and trying times. I guess you should conduct indoctrination with your new guys regarding the nice atmosphere and respect to all people there in the company.

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

thr clb

if you are on toga, go flex for a moment..

i never mentioned anything against chetdc9....at least not from me.....NEVER

idol, chetdc9 OK KA!!!:cool:

yes i do see a shrink, ...thank you for reminding, he told me to meet the problem head on, and not WAIT to vent it out... am just following the advise dre:E do you need one? if YOU DONT NEED ONE, forget my last question...

new guy from atr..wb + 10

did i say this was about flunking? remind me if i said it was about flunking, or failing a check.did i?

ASUMING A!

feather your prop. the atr can do a glide as high as you can fly. of course the dornier 328 can beat you on the sprint anytime right? i don't doubt your experience and your experience with the cheap. how long have you been here? .... as an fi in the bay? didnt we have blue crabs b4?
btw when you fly the bus, YOU MIGHT BE a buzz... glad you have good experience!!

butingting

am glad you are friends with them.... stay that way

and i say again... thank you for your attention to my posts, and pls remember

AND FOR THOSE HYPOCRITS, FOR SOME LANG NAMAN WHO KEEP ON SAYING THEY NEVER HEARD **** COME OUT OF THESE CHEAP PIA MOUNTAIN AND SAMA A VILLE , AND JUST OLOL, OR GOOD OL' DELL ROSE ARE YOU...

I WILL REMIND YOU JUST HOW......%#$$ XXX :oh:



i wil lose a few battles bt nt d WAR

[jamestaylor]

Hay does anyone know about this new guy? In from SAMA - very young 33 or so - god bless us........................................second does anyone know where tim went? or just retired too young no???????

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

ehem..

look for kiliti, ....is this a cultural thing that we need to lick the arses of senior pilots to be on their good side, to get them on their right mood, i guess in our culture it is...sir yes sir, sir no sir, sir kaya mo sir, sir go around sir.

TRUE...I DO THAT.... BECAUSE IF I DONT, YARI ME... b u tt,

does this make us PROFESSIONAL IN THE EYES OF THE NEW, OF THE WORLD? really!!!
what does the air force, pal pilots, and bupak have in common.......??

how many pilots have we upgraded(including me???) who just show good attitude and say sir yes sir me monkey you very pretty...

POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE....

ahhhh.....the call of the golf course beckons me.... i think i shall leave this thread for a while,.... warm sun, cool breeze and san miguel...



good job rj OR JUST OLOL on dragging debris from the dc 9 out of bacolod you jerk!! i hope you get all the greetings and attention you badly needed in your childhood you KSP!! this is just one of your blunders...stand by for more PIREPS!!:E

Pls keep d PM's coming....salamat sa gud, ty din sa bad...i respect u...!!! and sa mga wala boses...i wil voice it out for u!!

[basic]

jjdsdNORTHWESTERLY97 go!

The question is, would there be a change to the people like this? as the book says "WHAT YOU SOW IS WHAT YOU REAP"

In Philippines mostly new pilots or pilots applying for the airline is scared to reach theses people. you know why? simple they can't afford! but why cant we reached them? pilots who are trying to achieve there goals can't walk like them cant' talk like them and don't have a face like them but they can learn from them. there should be a change and this change will start from all off us especially higher captains.

notice this new airline pilots, these captains went through a lot some have change and some have not but one thing for sure is that you would never know who would hit you at the back. and they still kept an eye on you outside the premises.;)

thrust clb
hmmm, you want this to end? how about this, when a person saw once person attitude and he/she don't like it do you think it will end? it will, once that person who hate the other person is dead.

watch reality my friend, if this is anger then he should have said it in front of him. this post is to show you to be aware of whats happening so you would be careful not to get caught by the eyes of the fallen.

[makocoleta]

hi basic, i was a bit lost on yer thread back there....so yer sayin if ye need to scold, do it up frnt and not at yer arse.......confirm?:ok:

mako

[whitebugplusten]

i like it here in bupak, never a dull moment and the ca's look great! well i've been asking around and looks like only one pilot most probably really :mad: at the chief and capt cp. whatever he posted later about other guys was just to cover his tracks. could he be another mgt. pilot? then that would make him the CHEAPEST PILOT OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

damn good day at golf.......!! except i lost 10,000 PESOS for the bet for a birdie!!:{ but, thinking about the size of cheap's birdy, ......(based on the way they bully to make it look big....)...am HAPPY ENOUGH!!

EHEM..........

a management pilot is designed to be sharp.... he will always get an S + on the assesment even if he aborts a take off right after V1,

and is anybody familiar with the fat lard joe castle in air philippines, another bully moron in management...good thing he is now a retardate...can he fly, can he teach, well, he can lick the ass of his boss.

what about red in pay mumo in pal, another tondo bully, buts ends up in management...always gets into a fight, fighting in school grounds,in the parking lot,,fighting his lady classmate the alluring and charming miss gladys and great gentleman hubby, sharp flier decent human being ....pilots should be like this couple, nice to fly with, just cool dudes:cool:

thanks for the tips.... btw, i have VERIFIED my facts!!! PM me if you think i have the "data bout the mig is inaccurate...."
great balls of fire!

NEVER, EVER USE YOUR POWER TO YOUR PERSONAL ADVANTAGE...EVER!!!

whitebugplusten.......you sound smart... maybe i should hire you in my management TEAM!! GUESS WHAT....YOU ARE ACCUSING MANAGEMENT NOW JUST INCASE YOU ARE NOT AWARE... ARE YOU AWARE?

I LIKE YOU DUDE!!!:ok:



hala...la na b diry pm's for me..........cpt chetdc9..........tng na ... bro, pakan m na mga yn.!!!! watch ur 6 bru!!

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

QUOTE:

THEY WERE NO GOOD!! A FRAUD CASE OF ENRICHING HIMSELF WAS COMPLAINED BY THE PAYING STUD IN EARLY 90'S AGAINST THIS IND AY JA.ME.......AND HE WAS TERMINATED in pal aviation school FOR PADDING THE HOURS OF THE PAYING STUDENTS JUST FOR HIM TO EARN A MEASLY 75 PESOS PER HOUR WHILE THE PAYING STUDENTS PAID A LOT MORE....I SHOULD KNOW...check these facts....number 1 he was only in palavschl for 1 year...so, did it mean he was just there for cheap, that after cheap, he is also gone,???or his contract was not renewed....why it was not renewed...welllllll terminal 3!!!

, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THIS

P..TNG.. INA JP DID?



RNAV

wowowee!!!!

hep hep hooray!!

hep hep hooray!!!

hep hep hooray!!!

hep hep hooray!!!!:ok::ok::ok::ok:

[whitebugplusten]

north,

yes sir, i am aware....and i am soooooooo scared!!! who is the bully now? nice try with the smoke screen but we can all see through you...
...moi as part of your management team? so you admit you are from management?

bon voyage and have a nice flight!

[arigato]

Konbanwa, wan shang hao,

I've been reading the posts lately and I can't wait for my "idols" to react and give some insights...

I want to refresh you with lessons in HISTORY, POLITICS, MANAGEMENT, EVOLUTION, PSYCHOLOGY, LEADERSHIP, AGRICULTURE, NATURAL LAW, WAR, INFORMATION, INTELLIGENCE, ECONOMICS , RECOMMENDATION, REJECTION and etc....:)

1. PEOPLE who did not learn their HISTORY are deemed to repeat it...:=

2. BAD POLITICS and POOR MANAGEMENT are good elements of a "MONKEY BUSINESS".:=

3. "MONSTER" is the last stage of a "MONKEY".;)

4. "EGOTISTIC ATTITUDE" is a behavioral problem. A form of weakness or "strength in disguise".:oh:

5. "INEPTITUDE" or "LACK OF DISCIPLINE" are common signs of a WEAK LEADERSHIP. Sino ba?:zzz:

6. "YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW". "MAASIM" ang "HILAW", kaya "MAGDUSA KAYO".:ugh:

7. "WATER SEEK ITS OWN LEVEL". The same true with HUMAN BEINGS.:rolleyes:

8. WAR can be won in the mind and spirit thru knowledge of INFORMATION. (With due respect from Bro SKY.) :ok:

9. "LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A VERY DANGEROUS THING". It is the same with "EXPERIENCE".:hmm:

10. When you have much of everything, you've reached your level of "MARGINAL UTILITY" or "INUTIL KA NA". Synonimous to ayaw ko na sa iyo, sawa na ako, break na tayo, maghanap na ng iba, palitan na kita, boaring ka na, ... etc... Pwede ba ako na lang and uupo dyan...sa...tabi...mo...:p

11. On Recommendation. Can I recommend my "IDOLS". :ok:

12. On Rejection. My "IDOLS" don't want "PROBLEMS" only "DOLLARS". Therefore, rejection to the offer...Ako na lang kaya...please...:p

Etc...This is just to lighten this thread...the inability to process the information is your problem...access is on "need to know" basis only...but...KISS MUNA!!!



Arigato gozaimas!

[RNAV.CAP]

wbug plusten...

i don't think so. ....

btw, going back to cheap inday, .... after pal avschool, he was flying the ultra light, and on take off, inday loses an engine.... do you remember what the procedure was for engine failure after take off....??? LAND STRAIGHT AHEAD.....guess what inday did...?

HE ATTEMPTED TO TURN BACK TO THE FIELD!!! what an idiot!!! and he escaped with minor injuries to the body, but not in the HEAD. :ugh: .....
HARD TO KILL BAD WEEDS:}

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

[QUOTE] He wondered why Sto. Domingo tolerates his son’s use of the runway when he has ordered that no vehicle should pass the tarmac or even the parking area.
“Why did he allow his son to cross the tarmac which has threatened the lives of all the airplane passengers who come here?” Rosal said.


you see cheap pia mountain, a go around is a safe maneuver you ....
you.... you.... you... basta you are :mad::mad:!!!

[m.arbis]

Piece of advice to all or sa mga Bitter Ocampos dto!!! There are words for eveything. Just need to choose them and if you aint at the Cpapa yahoo groups your gripes are invalid and remains a rumor. Now if you want to be counted in improving our airline send me your email thru some other way and invitations soon be on the way. Lets be constructive and not subjective. In short let's try and grow up with these matters. Otherwise you are beyond help. I aint admin but i know how this goes. Let me be your Kuya and tell you this."Word to your Mama!!!!":ugh:

[RNAV.CAP]

hey m.arbis,
do i know your old man? is he the same batch as inday pia mountain...???, you know inday lady for jaimee...
hmmmmmmm..... let me check my history notes...
"word to your mama:ugh:to you too!!.....good one dudettee:ok:

[toga-trust]

Try this :

Magellan Aviation Services (http://www.magellanaviation.com)

Good luck:ok:

[m.arbis]

Like i said " Beyond help". It's only flying we are talking of here. These guys you bash are "Standard" no doubt. That point was well established. Now for some people who cant understand what standard really means they get angry and dont appreciate the lessons given to them. Now what do you think that means.These guys just have a way to of expressing it and it breaks their ego. Trust me my friend ego is something you dont need in flying anyway. I had mine scrambled,beaten and fried one time. Best part was it being licked. Made me a better person.
Regarding old folks my friend. I think it's really foul you start hitting these guys. Fight someone your age man. Like me. I'll take your fight.You know where to find me.Quite unfair how you speak of this people when they have all shared with us legacies that helped built institutions that you and me bask in right now. Naw you dont know my old man my friend. I dare you to shame the name. Neither do u know Inday the "old lady" you fool. That guy checked me for my F.I. license that taught a lot of fledglings to be pilots.
Lastly, do i know you??? I dont think so. I aint interested in knowing people who dont know dilly about "respect". Sir!!!!!:=

[ads1963]

Does this mean they are serious to fly from the island to "down under", mate?

http://philippineairspace.*************/2009/03/aussie-runs-cebu-pacific.html

Aussie runs Cebu Pacific (http://philippineairspace.*************/2009/03/aussie-runs-cebu-pacific.html)

Kingshott at the helm

March 10, 2009


Manila- Low Cost Carrier Cebu Pacific is now ran by a foreign expat from the land down under. The Australian CEO, previously managed and turned around a troubled airline Jet lite, the low cost carrier of Jet Airways, of India before he was hired by Lance Gokongwei as Chief Executive Adviser and Senior Consultant of the Airline in May last year. Lance will continue to be its CEO on paper as Philippine Laws barred foreigners from directly managing a domestic Airline.

Gary Kingshott is the man behind the wide body migration plan following the footsteps of its Australian and Malaysian LCC cousins, as it oversee its overseas expansion to Australia, Japan and the Middle East.

He was interviewed in March 2008 by Tarun Shukla in New Delhi before he transferred to the Philippines in May last year.

The following were the excerpt of the interview.

Q - What made you quit even though you haven’t yet fully turned around JetLite? By when do you think JetLite will be able to break even and also, when will it become profitable?

There is absolutely no doubt that the work here is not finished and it won’t be for two-three more years. I think what we have done now in the last 10 months is that we have taken an airline that would very easily have collapsed, to an airline that is now operating in a very stable environment. The business is now stable. The staff has settled down, we are in the middle of just finishing off (sorting out the issue of pilots’ remuneration). That was a key issue. There are two more aircraft that have to come up. I think I would still be here to see those two aircraft fly.

So, the task in a way changes. It’s now about taking the airline on a growth path and continuing to make incremental changes. Now, I would have happily continued to do that. However, I got an offer I simply could not refuse. And it was a very attractive proposition. And I chose to accept it. I have consistently said we will be able to break even once all planes are flying. We are in the process of preparing our 2008-09 budget and would hope to show a small profit. I have consistently said we will be able to break even once all planes are flying. We are in the process of preparing our 2008-09 budget and would hope to show a small profit.
Q - You weren’t asked to stay back by Naresh Goyal who brought you here?


I think he knew (that there would not be a change of mind)… It wasn’t just about the money. It was a whole series of things. Working environment, stock options (in the new airline). In this sort of business you get almost one call a week, most of which you are not interested in and it takes only 30 seconds to say no, but this is the one where everything felt right about it.


The airline is called Cebu Pacific. In fact what we are doing here (JetLite) has actually already been done there. This is a 10-12 years old airline, but two years ago it completely re-fleeted, changed its model from full-service carrier flying DC-9s and Boeing 757s to brand new fleet of A320s and switched business model to a low-cost carrier and they have gone from carrying two million to five million passengers last year and are targeting seven million for this year. The oldest aircraft they have is 21 months old. So... they are profitable, have a 43% market share—and are at a point in time where they need a CEO.


Q - There is a feeling that expats do not have enough freedom in running the airlines in India such as Jet and Kingfisher, and are not even empowered to sanction a ticket upgrade if they want to. Is that correct and what’s been the experience with you?

I think it’s inaccurate. There are only a handful of people to sign an upgrade and Wolfgang (Austrian veteran and CEO of Jet Airways) was one of them as I was. But as a policy, we wouldn’t do it anyways. I certainly know that here at JetLite there are very few issues that I would feel constrained not to take a decision on. There are certainly issues that I go back to the board—go to Bombay— simply because I don’t want to take those decisions. Not because I am not empowered. Its simply because…it is a big decision, it will have some group implications so I want some inputs from Jet. I have not had sense of being unempowered and I don’t know if Woflgang feels that way or not but I see what he does... Obviously when you got a promoter who holds 80% of the stock, that guy is going to have some interests in the way business is run. One of things you will see where the expat sits (in India)…they tend to sit in CEO and COO roles, but they do not generally sit in commercial roles. Most of the market facing positions are actually (held by) locals because they understand the local market. But the best practice operations of an airline will come from the US and Europe and Australia.
In Jet’s case, who in India would have known how to launch a service to New York or Brussels or London? No one here, except if he would have been an ex-Air India, would actually know what’s involved in flying a 777 from Mumbai to New York...

While Jet is considered one of the most professionally run airline, JetLite is not considered so.

Q - Both of them have not been merged; all the JetLite aircraft have not been painted in the new livery giving room to speculation that perhaps they are being prepared to be sold off at some point of time. What’s the strategy?

I would disagree... If you start at the market level, low- cost carriers (LCCs) are already 40% of the market in terms of passengers; they will be at least 60% of the market within three years. Full-services carriers will continue to grow... but would just have less of market share. Full-service will grow at GDP+50%, LCCs at GDP+100% or more simply because it’s the entry point.


Strategically, it is important to establish a position for the group in LCC segment. Now was Sahara the best vehicle? Probably not. However, the deal is done... So let’s make it work. So the plan is: fix the airline; stabilize the airline; now start the repair and maintenance and the growth of the airline. Fortunately, Sahara had ordered 10 new Boeings which will be delivered 2009 onwards, so we start refleeting. If we can keep this business ticking along and making incremental improvements then we’ve got a serious contender in the LCC space. Would it have been easier to start a brand new airline? Probably. Except that Sahara came with hangars, parking bays, slots, engineering facilities, which you just cannot get today. What does IndiGo do when they have a major mechanical problem? Where does SpiceJet go? They got nothing.


We have a hangar in Kolkata which we have made into a paint shop, all CRJs have been painted, three or four Boeings (of the total fleet of 24 aircraft) are done. They are going one after the other. We have to remove “Sahara” from the aircraft by 19 April, we had one year to do it (under the acquisition agreement). Sahara will be gone by 19 April, we will do it before that.

[jumpdrive]

a friend told me that for line capt is 11K
can someone confirm this
merci

[RNAV.CAP]

Quite unfair how you speak of this people when they have all shared with us legacies that helped built institutions that you and me bask in right now....

first of all get this straight you bigger fool>>> I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH YOU OR YOUR OLD MAN... I simply said... do i know you.??? and you are right, your old man was OK.:ok: ITS YOUR STATEMENT NOW THAT MAKES ME TURN pale OF PUKE:yuk::yuk::yuk: inday piamountain an institution??? he was a FRAUD in aviation teaching, he was an abusive line pilot, pretending to teach in aviation school, taking advantage of the green studens, and enriching himself the at EXPENSE OF WANNABEES!!! AND THAT IS ON THE RECORD

secondly, get this clear in your immature head....the only reason inday jaimee pia mountain senior was maybe nice to you is because your daddy was a piloto....NOTHING ELSE, and that is why you had so much pride chicken taken out of you by other people.... had you been one of us slum dogs...you would have been nothing.//////// watch your character it becomes your destiny...... and dont flaunt your F.I. License on a cessna 149 for everybody to know you are an FI before, .... unless you want to purposedly LET PEOPLE KNOW

AND WATCH OUT FOR THE PRODUCT KNOWN AS CHEAP PIA ... a by product of a spoiled culture, green envy, small dicky cant use it properly, KSP. he needs to be greeted(clear sign of immaturity and sensitivity due to lack of confidence), he hides under a power trip because deep inside, he knows he is nothing... (northwest...u are correct!!:D)

btw, you standard right? how was your standard compared to your assessment when you went to korea...? you didnt make it right? :*
anyong hika sa yo!!! now in case you don't know the meaning of that.... it means....STAY IN PEACE!!:O despite people laughing at your excuse for not passing,..... mr standard

ANYTIME, ANYWHERE... don't tempt me...:cool: but like i said...I have no issues with YOU

[Guava Tree]

Brat children should have no rights.I hope the father kicks the son out of his house so that the son can learn to make his own way in the world.This is the lesson that the father, a senior official, should teach to his son.

[jumpdrive]

around how much is a 2 or 3 bedroom house or apartment in manila ???
anyone with kids in intl schools ??? how about that???
tks

[Mr. Yoda]

Need more knowledge.....not make-up
Your lesson now..... not aprroaches,not systems
but humility

People you Hex..... Uncommendable
Something in your eye.....blinds you from the truth
Council of Jedimaster......disbelief in your disposition
You are still a masterjedi.....people look up unto you
From Hero.....to Zero
Love a many splendor things......includes pain

[adog]

Hey Guys,

Does anyone know what starting pay is in the ATR72 for FO and CAP as well as the A320?

Thanks!
a

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

APPARENTLY, THIS SENIOR IDIOT JAIMEE PIA MOUNTAIN NEVER DID THAT ....AS SHOWN BY HOW POWER TRIPPING, EGO TRIPPING, INSECURE BASTARDO THIS OFF SPRING OF HIS...THIS CHEAP ENVIOUS, LACK OF SELF RESPECT, NEEDS TO BE GREETED OR ELSE HE WILL STAB YOU IN THE BACK, OR WISPER SH....T NOTHINGS IN ALL THE EARS OF THE CABIN CREW AND FLIGHT DECK WHO SMOKE THEIR LUNGS OUT.

NO KIDS... CAN YOU BEAT THAT.... F...K .. HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS... HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS... HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS!!!!

HE WILL NOT RAISE THE RIGHT KIDS IN THIS WORLD!!!

HE IS JUST SO ENVIOUS OF PEOPLES HU MAYD IT BIGTYM OUTSIDE HIS LITTLE POND LIKE HIS LITTLE DIKKIES...... INGITERO IN TAGALONG PHILLIPINE LANGUAGE MEANS I WISH I HAD YOUR LIFE, I WISH I COULD FLY INTERNATIONAL LIKE YOU, I WISH I HAD THE CARS, THE TOYS THE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE...INGITERO MEANS EXPATULA HOW CAN U AFFORD THAT MOTORCLYLE WHEN I CANNOT!!!

IT MEANS...CHETDC9 HOW CAN U EARN SO MUCH DOLLARS WHEN I MYSELF HAD AN AFFAIR WITH MARY JANE AND YOU STILL DO IT YET YOU EARN SO MUCH DOLLARS..... AND ME , I STILL DO RED EYE WITH IDOT RJ JOST OLOL....!!!

HOW???
MR GUAVA TREE..... I SALUTE THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT OF YOURS:ok:

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

YODA, WISE SAY R U...???

TRUTH...SPOKEN FRM EXPERIENC IS IT NOT....!!

EXPERIENCE.....LEARNT FROM PAST IS IT....???

BLINDNESS......COMES FROM CHEAP BEER DRANK ITS NOT...:eek:

REPEAT.....HISTORY DOES IT NOT...???

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....:p

NOT OR IT BELEIVE......

[Mr. Yoda]

NOw sit and listen...... Stop squirming like a gazelle
Who knows(nose)....... is not standard
Burning bridges..............i see
No where to go,,,,,,,,,, nowhere to run
Stop before ................ too late now
Hatred................ always the worst seed
Open mindness........ always the key.
Understanding best for you..........
Gabriela wont know what to do.......
Accept failure......... Start from there
A Lady you are......... Cry like a baby you are not

[m.arbis]

Hey Maverick!!! Nice for you to send me a pm. Long time no hear.When will come by?

[jumpdrive]

wow guys if you behave and act like you express ur selves here
damn.......:yuk:
theres nothing positive
all crap to one another and lots of BS :D

feel sorry for U guys

get a life :}

[repapips]

WTF is going on here?
I can't understand what you're talking about...much as i want to piece the words and names together....

Somebody care to expound...or speak in plain English (or Tagalog for that matter)?

Never mind the names, the descriptions suffice enough.

[camper]

this is what we have come to expect from cebu pacific...happy april fool's...:ok:

[cokelite]

gabriela...? is this what it's all about? all this hard core bashing is merely bcoz someone very dear failed the upgrade? i really hope not.

[jester_icarus]

Cebu Sunday Morning... through my hotel window... beautiful blue skies, trees gently swaying, calm ocean forever and an ATR passing just over the horizon...PERFECT !!!

[buskoto]

And now back to our regular programming...

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

hey cokelite....

hu failed.... i dnt tnk so....dis is about how insignificant some dkheads are in bupak...

needing their egos treated and handled with care..... or else ....:ouch:


l o o s e r..... just olol........chep pia mountain......

c o p y ????

[jumpdrive]

NW97

its LOSER



copy????? :ok:

[kiwilad]

Jester I,
Sounds like a good way to start the day.
What is the accommodation like in Cebu? Is it company supplied?
Look forward to hearing from ya.
Cheers
:ok:

[ATR_101]

RNAV , NW97

since when did talking **** get you guys anywhere? Why not settle it face to face rather than blabbing like ladies.

Stop being such cowards , are you guys GAY?:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[jester_icarus]

"yup..yup...roger" is meant to respond to the "company supplied accommodations" in Cebu...

"yup...yup...roger" was not meant as a respond to "are you guys GAY?"

[seRIOusGRUdge]

There is some update for the new COO from Sama?? Maybe now its too early for opinions...

[JV126]

Can I just ask this, I've heard bupak has hired expats to fly the ATR and are getting 14thou a month ????........ is this true ??

If this is true, what about the other Filipinos who are still trying to get hired ?

[RAfault]

i guess those are the terms on a temporary basis as locals gets qualified to fill up the vacancies... that's what i heard... nothing to bicker about, can't blame the owner, but again it's temporary.... very sensitive issue though for locals..

[RNAV.CAP]

HEY ATR,

HOW COULD YOU FORGET...YES I AM GAY... REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT OUT TOGETHER IN CEBU AND WENT TO TOPS...I GOT SO DRUNK I WAS LOOKING FOR A GIRL, BUT YOU SHOWD ME YOUR WHITE BUTT.?

I WAS SO HORNY, I ENDED UP F...KNG YOU IN YOUR ARSE...??

OHHH.. AND BTW, MY BEING GAY MEANS I AM HAPPY,...:}

HOW ABOUT U??:confused:

[ATR_101]

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

U just proved your no better than the people you are bashing.

sorry to disappoint you ,obvously you are talking about the wrong person dumbass. and whoever told you im a guy? id watch my back if i were you.

[thrust clb]

If rnav and northwesterly (obviously one and the same person) is really a bupak pilot (which i seriously doubt), then we should tell HR department to have a serious overhaul of how they evaluate the psychiatric condition of future applicants.:ugh:

This tread is becoming ridiculous!

[ATR_101]

Why do have to send private messages? its like my god! are u sure your even at the right state of mind. asking me to tell you my name? show yourself . if your smart enough you will be able to figure out who i am. let me guess, u probly have no idea... thats because your brain is somehow located between ur ego and ur d#ck. if you even have a brain, i pitty you, coz konti na nga lang natitira sa utak mo, mukhang bumitaw pa. if your really working for the same company, you should be sent back to school boy. for your attitude is way off! oh i forgot, im sorry. u got no brain to learn.

hamunin mo pako na magpakita sayo? u should be ashamed of yourself.

Nuff said. Sayonara bitter guy:oh:

[m.arbis]

Guess what guys. Capt. Inday Piamonte died recently. I guess we all know who killed hiim here at Pprune before the guy was ever dead.
May the Lord rest his soul!!!!

[mountaintop2007]

Capt Piamonte is dead? this is a shock...may his soul rest in peace...may those who bash him here using false names learn a few lessons in humility.

to friends in 5J...keep up the good work in this trying environment. safe flight everyone...

[Geebz]

Is Cebu still taking ATR commanders?

[kiwilad]

Hi
Can anyone advise when No 9 & 10 are arriving for Cebu?
Cheers:ok:

[cris95123]

September and October

[kiwilad]

Cheers for that Chris95...

Would appreciate someone updating me on the details of the contract for ATR Captains. I have found a little bit of info on a couple of websites but would appreciate hearing from someone at Cebu?

How many hours a month do you do on the ATR at Cebu? Any overnights? Where is the sim checking training normally done? BKK or KL?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers:ok:

[JolibeeFlyer]

I know this is somewhat off subject but it has to do with the ATR at least.

Considering an aircraft arriving at an outstation such as Laoag, with the FOS stating that the maximum allowable takeoff weight is 22,500 kg (FCOM 2.01.02 Max takeoff weight is 22, 800 kgs) why is it that our weight limitation less than 22.5 or 22.8 kg at an out station compared to Manila which is 22.5?

My assumption was based on MZFW. Which I derived from (MTOW- Fuel Remining). For example the fuel raming at Laoag from Manila is 1,600 kgs. So the weight for take off is limited to structural limitation. So the weight limit is 22.5 - 1.6 = Takeoff weight of 20, 900 kg. Would my assumption be correct.:ugh:

Also, why is our max takeoff weight 22.5 and not 22.8 from the FCOM?

Many thanks from Jolibee. The guy who feeds all you ATR boys under that hot Manial sun :O

[Dustwing]

dear pilots from CEBU, be very careful with the new COO coming from SAMA, the guy is a pretender, incompetent but arrogant, poor company after him.

take care

[kiwilad]

ATR FOS
jolibee,
I am no expert but this is my understanding;

The FOS weight is the approved MTOW, it would appear that you have 22.5t. The 22.8t is a mod that you get from ATR by paying the right amount.
MTOW 22.5t equates to MZFW of 20.5t, MTOW 22.8t equates to MZFW 20.8t. This means that the ATR can carry fuel of 2.0t on every occassion without impacting load so long as FOS allows a Non-limiting take-off or 22.5t MTOW.

Using your example for Laoag, with a fuel load of 1.6t the MTOW weight would be MZFW + Fuel = 22.1t.

The ATR has 4 weight limits, if MTOW 22,500 then, Max Ramp 22,670, MZFW 20,500 and Max Landing 22,350. If any of these limits are breached then you can't go. I.e total take off weight can not be greater than 22.5t; MZFW + fuel is the limit if less than 22.5t; Trip fuel + Max Ldg the limit if less than 22.5t. If the FOS Max is less than the three possible limits then it is the limiting factor. Make sense???:ugh:

Our FOS makes the temp correction (-5to+37C) and the QNH correction for 10mb block from 1013hpa to 993hpa. QNH below or above we further correct. Below subtract 24kg per hpa, above add 8kg per hpa to the 22.5 limit. We don't ever use the Max Ramp figure.

Hope this helps, feel free to point out errors.

Cheers:ok:

[JolibeeFlyer]

Many thanks to the answer about the Weight Limit on the ATR.

I only ask because if we are in an outstation without any limitation on the FOS, why is it that we are in a structural limit situation if MZFW is to be never exceeded. I brought this up once in a flight and gave the Pilot in Command the weight limit for takeoff at 22.5 after reviewing the FOS (Non-Limiting) and he said the weight limit would be less than 22.5t because of structural limitations due in part because we had less fuel.

I thought about it and said to myself, regardless of the amount of fuel our weight limit is 22.5 max takeoff as long as our MZFW is never exceeded.

Also in Caticlan, the Special Operationg Procedures states we need to review our weather at Caticlan and determine the landing weight through the FOS which would determine our Weight Limit at takeoff from Manila. I have been doing that and some captains have stated that the Weight limit is 22.5 when departing Manila. Which is correct? I reviewed the Special Procedures and it states

" Prior to departure from Manila; check Caticlan runway condition and determine limitation at landing at Caticlan and this weight will determine limitation at take off from Manila."So is this limit Landing Limit plus Trip Fuel and Fuel burn out?:ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Many thanks again

[kiwilad]

Jb said
"I only ask because if we are in an outstation without any limitation on the FOS, why is it that we are in a structural limit situation if MZFW is to be never exceeded. I brought this up once in a flight and gave the Pilot in Command the weight limit for takeoff at 22.5 after reviewing the FOS (Non-Limiting) and he said the weight limit would be less than 22.5t because of structural limitations due in part because we had less fuel."

You are both right. The performance limit would be 22.5t but the practical (or actual) limit would be the MZFW+Fuel=less than 22.5t if fuel less than 2.0t. At the operation we are in we only tell ops if the weight is anything less than max, i.e MTOW 22.5t.

You have different types in all operations. If the roster means you don't have to fly with the pilots your not so happy with, let it go. Get them talking about themselves and if they are more experienced let them talk about that, you may just learn something.:ok: At the end of the day you take on board only what you want to.

What are the IFR approaches like into the ATR ports for Cebu? NDB, VOR/DME, GPS/RNAV?

[jumpdrive]

it all depends o what is "approved" or not by the authorities over there in Philipines
the book's might say 22,8t or even 23 tons for take of weight (like the table in the QRH for the heviest takeoff weight).
the point here its what legally been approved by the law
in this type of issues you might wanna become a lawyer for 30 minutes
& find out really whats been laid down on the rule book
never mind the FOS..............'cause at the end someone from the airline or elsewhere was given some figures and loaded them in
i dont know cebu fleet, but does it come with the "boost" option ?
which engines they have 127F or M ?

[kiwilad]

I think the last couple of ATR's for Cebu have had the PW127M engine. Not quite sure what the boost is but sounds exciting but is probably not!
Jumpdrive I was assuming that Cebu are approved to 22.5t. 22.8 definitely makes a difference, the numbers say it will do it but only by the barest margin. The 300kg is definitely noticeable in takeoff accerleration and initial climb.

Jester_I and Jobliee, so what are the majority of approaches for the ATR on the Cebu network?

Jobliee said :
" Prior to departure from Manila; check Caticlan runway condition and determine limitation at landing at Caticlan and this weight will determine limitation at take off from Manila."So is this limit Landing Limit plus Trip Fuel and Fuel burn out?
As Caticlan is the limiting point then the Maximum available Take off figure from Caticlan plus trip fuel from Manila would give you the maximum to depart Manila with. Even though Caticlan is short I wouldn't think you would be landing weight limited in. Happy to be corrected on that. But 950m odd would mean always limited on the way out. Around 20t at best, does that sound right? Looks like fun on Youtube!:D

Thanks in advance for your answers.
Cheers:ok:

[JolibeeFlyer]

Most approaches are done VISUALLY to our outstations. When it comes to major airports like Manila, Cebu, and Davao they have the capacity to conduct instrument approach procedures.

Though there are some exceptions to the rule of course. There are some outstations that have instrument approaches like BCD, ZAM, ILO, and airports that can accommodate the A320/19.

Most of the time its get under, find the airport, and land.

[mountaintop2007]

Hey guys is it true that MPL cadets did TAGs recently? any reactions/ comments?

[jester_icarus]

oooohh...ahhh.....cringe...eeeeek...ahhhhhhhhh.............. ...............:D

[NORTHWESTERLY97]

CESSNA 95.,,,,,

just curious on your

"we are waiting for you message....

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT

please........clarify :cool:

[Cessna1052]

Cessna95,

" Cadet CL, we are waiting for you" ??

What else could this mean?, " waiting for you" ; wait til ; endorsed ; whatever... Im very sure, it wont be pleasant for the new guy in town.

Filipino attitude talaga - Magan, you guys will never change.

Just an advised, please grow up.


Cheers,
Cessna1052

[JV126]

I know Cadet CL and "she" is a former model. enough said, I think you guys should be able to figure it out why Cessna95 said that...:ooh:

Cessna95 you dirty dog, get your head off the gutter,..... he-he-he, she already has a boyfriend... .....he-he-he :}

[jumpdrive]

well the post's on this thread only proves 1 thing
that here you come to bitch , whine, & B.S. each other
get a life guys
with all the "ho's" in manila, ur waiting 4 an so callled ex model
you make me laugh guys, like ur gonna score in the flightdeck with her
seriuosly ........................grow up!
go work!, live or whatever else u do when not here

[mountaintop2007]

let's assume for the sake of sanity that it was just a sick joke by a 5J pilot. :yuk: (we cannot even be sure that cessna95 is really a 5J pilot!)

i asked the question in the interest of verifying some interesting stuff i heard back in the PI, the land of my birth and youthful memories... (although granted this is a rumor network, i'm starting to second guess myself why i even bothered to ask the question here...)

5J is a pioneer in the MPL, so the success of MPL cadets can only be good news to 5J's standing in aviation around the world. It fills me with great pride as a Filipino knowing that a Philippine airline has done this understandably risky/ controversial venture when i talk to aviation enthusiasts here in the US.

having said that, and being a student of human nature, i can fairly understand some bloke in 5J feeling a little threatened for his job because of the new kids on the block, so to speak, or even to try and intimidate newcomers in the spirit of "initiation" through some harmless, and ultimately funny pranks.

however i seriously hope that the really crude and sick joke is not reflective of 5J culture to bash on the newcomer/s. threatening them with some "we are waiting for you" innuendos, i have been taught, is not so professional. :=

[burnok100]

to think that we "fly" on your planes...???

w t f !!!??????

i hope you die on your sleep.... before you kill us allhttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/pukey.gif

[Reedeye]

cessna95, depraved you are not
why fantasize on someone you cannot?
Northwesterly winds, a hero for a hooker
a shoulder to cry on, is this a new chapter?

I have been on the sidelines for so long
and I guess this has to stop
Expatula has said it, enough is enough
you guys should have better things to do
than to roant about counts
I know there is an O
And I know you know too
Goodbye, good day, good night to one and all
blue skies and UV rays for the rest of our days

Reedeye

[RNAV.CAP]

thank you to all of you!!

look cessna 95, take it from cessna 1052!!!

GROW UP... do not be CHEAP!! ... like cheap pia mountain!!! do not be envious, do not be insecure, do not be a power tripper, do not do not and ever let people know your birdy is small... AND DO NOT TAKE IT ON THE NEWBIES...FIGHT THE GIANTS...FIGHT JUST OLOL....OR SOMEBODY BIGGER THEN YOU AND I WILL SALUTE YOU!

if she was former FHM... then i am proud for her! i salute her and i give my thumbs up that she can flaunt all that!:ok:

she is new in flying...then give her a BREAK!

Y, ....WERE U BORN WITH WINGS??? IDIOT!!

:*

[Reedeye]

To all friends in 5J, dare I say
Tis' not about being cheap and so gay
In darkest days and blackest night
A beacon will shine to show us a light
It points to a poser, who hooked to a loser
In who's quest to break, the head did shake
Safety is cheap, his ego be ripped
Used the wrong head
Her dream is now dead
And now he is MAD
Because FHM was BAD
Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee
No captain an airhead can be

Reedeye

[jamestaylor]

DustWing.....Tell us more as I heard he is a poser (imposter)...............He was simply AA Exec Asst and a flight scheduler not a dispatcher but he seemed to fool the current CEA....ha ha - He left SAMA as new CEO at SAMA BA saw through him...............

[Dustwing]

take care, he is gonna try to destroy the environment and life quality you have, and usually keeps pushing people to the wrong directions, does not understand about safety at all. He was a disaster to his previous company, and was unanimous among people here that he is an idiot, good talking to his superiors....

be careful

[FourStripes]

Mark Br**n will surely be watched over.

Some pilots already knows his history from SAMA. the Saudi Arabian low cost carrier.

As to why he got on board 5J is anybody's guess.

The saga continues.........any kermit the frog news???

[jester_icarus]

3 ATR's stacked over Boracay, 1 ATR on the ramp on a quick-turn, clear skies, sun sinking over the horizon followed by a collage of bright colors......BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!

"A Happy Pilot is an ATR Pilot"

[kiwilad]

Has anyone heard or been sent to the sim for a job on the ATR recently? The company say they are hiring but the agency is rather slow in responding??:(

How are things in Cebu, ATR9&10 still arriving before the end of the year?

Thanks in advance.:ok:

[jester_icarus]

9&10 ....oh yeah.....!!!!!

[yano]

are they still hiring F/O's for ATR?

[yowdude]

"GROW UP... do not be CHEAP!! ... like cheap pia mountain!!! do not be envious, do not be insecure, do not be a power tripper, do not do not and ever let people know your birdy is small... AND DO NOT TAKE IT ON THE NEWBIES...FIGHT THE GIANTS...FIGHT JUST OLOL..."


get a life.

or....

just resign.

[ClimbSequence]

Can anyone working for Cebu Pacific can answer me that???

I have 3500 TT, 1700 on ATR42/72's and a little over 500 PIC on type.

Will I be considered for an interview or do they require more experienced pilots???

Thank you:ok:

[jester_icarus]

...visit the companys website.....

[subsonic69]

more aircrafts and low manpower!!!

expect more delays!!!

[Cessna1052]

Mnl-Syd on a A320, well I can only congratulate the Pilots. Its going to be a very good international exposure, very nice layover too. But for the passengers, that one will be tough, given a stop over darwin, still with not so much space to move on, it will be very uncomfortable for them to even consider buying your tickets. Unless ticket price is comparable to a one way trip to Cebu( no debate here).

Question for the Flight crew, What kind of Rest scheme are you going to apply for this kind of operation? Any ETOPS considerations for the 320s?

Based on experience, this sector is best suited on a wide body aircraft, both for the flightcrews/CC/ and passengers.

[BusdriverA320]

Hi everyone


Does anyone know if the company is hiring foreign FOs on A320 Type

Thanks

[subsonic69]

check out their site: Cebu Pacific Air - It's time everyone flies (http://www.cebupacificair.com)

though im not sure about the 320s but they do have some foreign pilots on the other type of aircraft.

[flinth]

capt. / f/o's basing in cebu will push thru?
for sure it's by seniorities....

well all soon to be atr fd's hope to meet u all soon

[DeratedThrust]

No hirings for the 320. MPLers are filling up the bottom half. new entry level will be F/O ATR, which is now filled up until options are exercised late next year or upgraders move to the left, whichever comes first. Looking for atr captain applicants now.

[buskoto]

capt. / f/o's basing in cebu will push thru?
for sure it's by seniorities....

Yes, but only on a voluntary basis. Now whether there are enough volunteers to fill the necessary slots...

[AvEnthusiast]

Cebupak ordered 5 A320s in Parish air show.

[yowdude]

bupak ordered 320's alright but not 5.



15 to be more precise:cool:

[mountaintop2007]

From Airbus website, for accuracy's sake:

Cebu Pacific increases outstanding A320 orders to 15 (http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pressreleases/pressreleases_items/09_06_16_cebu_pacific_a320.html)

"Cebu Pacific increases outstanding A320 orders to 15
16 June 2009


http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repository/images/120x120_feature/att00013968/media_object_image_120x120_pr_a320_cebu.jpgCebu Pacific of the Philippines has increased its outstanding A320 orders to 15, with a new firm order for five aircraft. Scheduled for delivery from 2013, the new aircraft will join an existing A319 and A320 fleet flying on the low cost carrier's extensive domestic and regional route network. The initial batch of 10 aircraft is scheduled for delivery between 2010 and 2013.

"The A320 Family has played a key role in enabling us to offer a high quality, value-based product," said Lance Gokongwei, President and CEO of Cebu Pacific. "Our latest order will make it possible for us to maintain our expected growth pattern over the coming years. It will also help us to continue our network expansion to reach more destinations across the region."

"We are pleased that Cebu Pacific has once again placed a vote of confidence in the A320 Family," said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer - Customers. "By placing orders today, the airline is ensuring that it will be well positioned to build on its success with the most modern, efficient and comfortable single aisle product available in the market."

Manila-based Cebu Pacific is one of the leading low cost carriers in Asia, flying to 46 domestic and international destinations. Altogether, the carrier has now placed firm orders for 27 A320 Family aircraft, with 12 already delivered. The carrier currently operates 21 aircraft from the Family, including nine leased aircraft, with an average age for the fleet of just 1.9 years.

The A320 Family is recognised as the benchmark single-aisle aircraft family. Over 6,300 have already been sold and almost 3,900 delivered to more than 300 customers and operators worldwide."

[jamestaylor]

they simply ttok up options not new orders.................

[Tassie Devil]

Can I ask if CP have any western expats working for them? Thanks

[x1alpha66]

i heard a couple of french sounding foreigners flying the ATRs in the ATC frequency. and a handful of oriental sounding foreigners too.

[jester_icarus]

LOL !!!!! whats an oriental? is that an ethnicity or a carpet?

[V25XX]

On incoming COO as a pretender....

I believe CEB originals have been through a lot of "Great Pretenders" in the past...this has no weight to em anymore, right guys? Haha!

[subsonic69]

and one hot FO... :ok:

[jester_icarus]

whats his name?

[subsonic69]

not his ... HER....

[bayan_ni_juan]

Should be a nice episode....They should cancel out each other...

[jamestaylor]

Are you serious this moron joma_r has suc___ everyone from bong, lance, to the simple man garry. Both green horn and him are weas-ls and do not deserve tow work for a company founded by smart people...... My god does no one see the light - hello out there.......................

[flinth]

yeah, i heard that there are already 2 bus capt's volunteered to be based in cebu the other is an IP, maybe just base those atr pilots in cebu since most of the flts is with the expats, tri's of atr hahahaha...:}

[Flame]

Hey Guys

Whats up with this thread, almost 99% of all your posting show clear signs of bad grammer, really bad spelling errors, poor punctuation, and a level of understanding of the English language that would make me fearfull of sitting in the back of any aircraft that most of you would fly .. bearing in mind, that English is the language of aviation there is no excuse for what I am reading

If what I am reading here is the level of English used by "professionals" flying with Cebu Pacific and from the opinions being expressed ... it is very obvious that most of you are in the 10-14 age group and really need to grow up

[win_faa]

Flame


Hey Guys

Whats up with this thread, almost 99% of all your posting show clear signs of bad grammer, really bad spelling errors, poor punctuation, and a level of understanding of the English language that would make me fearfull of sitting in the back of any aircraft that most of you would fly .. bearing in mind, that English is the language of aviation there is no excuse for what I am reading

If what I am reading here is the level of English used by "professionals" flying with Cebu Pacific and from the opinions being expressed ... it is very obvious that most of you are in the 10-14 age group and really need to grow up


I dont see any problem with that as these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent.

[jester_icarus]

Hey Guys (comma)

Whats ( what's) up with this thread, almost 99% of all your posting show clear signs of bad grammer (grammar), really bad spelling errors, poor punctuation, and a level of understanding of the English language that would make me fearfull (fearful) of sitting in the back of any aircraft that most of you would fly .. bearing in mind, that English is the language of aviation there is no excuse for what I am reading

If what I am reading here is the level of English used by "professionals" flying with Cebu Pacific and from the opinions being expressed ... it is very obvious that most of you are in the 10-14 age group and really need to grow up (period)

Sorry Flamer.... i guess this forum is not as edubicated as you is...

[Flame]

Jester;

Point taken ... :ouch:

Obviously all the postings on this thread are correct and I am wrong, my sincerest apologies

Now...I will crawl back under my stone and leave the world to all who post on this forum

[subsonic69]

that made my day Jester.. LOL

:D

[eliptic]

Sorry Flamer.... i guess this forum is not as edubicated as you is...

HAHAHA....:}

[King Midas]

Now that's a true gentleman. Knows how to apologize (apologise= British spelling) & knows when to admit a mistake. :ok:

[subsonic69]

King Midas... you have 2 posts ... haha

I guess we know who you are. (but thats just me guessing) LOL:ok:

[King Midas]

:) he... he... just getting the feel of the prospect.
Maybe we know each other... its a small world after all. Hopefully I'll be on board with you gentlemen next year. I'll be glad to be of help. Just finishing something on this part of the world. Many thanks. Nice & safe flight po...
:ok:
Happy flying!

[freezoneunite]

here's another one told by airlaw727....ying ang yeng actually was based in cebu before and guess what, in the regional trial court in mactan, a funny thing happened...there is a situtation pending there...

it happened in mactan inn, a cheap hotel, where ying and yeng brought two teenage boy bunnies and was caught with ying and yeng totally naked with them, ... now you know why the wife is away:eek:

as per the case clerk of court, the case disappeare:confused:

[YISTRYKER98]

do you gentlemen have any details on what happened to an airbus 33o in pal landing in pps that ended up with the pilots suspended?

how would your boss handle a case like this?

do have a safe flight all of you you now!!

[m.arbis]

I was one of the lucky few of the regular pilots who flew an MPL on recurrent. Bit of apprehension when i got my sked.
It turned out quite all right. Regarding system knowledge, crm and basic instrument flying. All around i would say the guy was at par with everything he had to do.
A little work on flying skills and some bit more flying techniques but that is something we cant expect from a guy who has less than 100hrs of actual.
Left side crew incapacitation is one i didnt get to suggest during my recurrent. Maybe il start off the idea. Just to reinforce worse case scenarios.

[vtango]

Cessna95...Are you asking a question or are you trying to state something?

A year back you were posting like a 5J cadet in CA....now whom are you pretending to be?

http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far-east/281010-clark-institute-aviation-21.html#post4281335

http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far-east/281010-clark-institute-aviation-20.html#post4238636

All one needs to do is take a quick look at your earlier posts in the CA thread!

Now you talk about bully captains in 5J:

http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far-east/387299-cebu-pacific-great-management-style.html#post5204372

Why dont you go back to your hole?...we can do very well without you in 5J!

Try your luck here instead:
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour-wannabes/380783-cathay-cadet-american-applicants-2.html#post5206257

Case of sour grapes!:=

[M 0.78]

The pilots were both suspended for 6 months. Ouch. But PAL was being lenient with them. The Pilot's Code of Conduct is unequivocal when it comes to continuing an unstabilized approach -- termination after investigation.

The captain briefed the first officer that he would be coming in fast. PAL policy requires the PNF to call out, "Unstabilized. Go-around," if the airplane is not stabilized at 1000 AGL in IMC or 500 AGL in VMC.

[M 0.78]

I was just wondering what CI 5J uses on the A319/A320 on domestic runs. PR uses 27 unless the airplane is refueled at an outlying station. In that case the CI is 26.

[Mysha Da Kat]

Good question. A couple of weeks ago, following a 5J Airbus into DVO, I had to activate approach at 90 DME and drop flaps 1 below FL200 to keep from overtaking him.

:ooh:

[skypilot320]

I would to apply for a A320 F/O job in the Philipines,as my wife and my kids is living now in the Philipines,and I am just hoping if some one,can help me to send my or put me in contact with one of the Airlines with A320,A319 there please?, I would really appreciate your help regarding a Pilot position if possible:)

[noschool4loki]

M .78

Since both pilots were suspended for 6 months, that means the approach was "unstabilized?"
It is good to know that whether PF or PNF, the co-pilot can call out "UNSTABILIZED, GO-AROUND"
This is a nice direction PAL is pursuing. The F/O's voice can be recognized and acknowledged.
Bye to the OLD SCHOOL!

So how come nobody called "unstabilized, go-around" on that flight? :suspect:

[noschool4loki]

M .78

Cost index assigned to international/regional/domestic routes are given by the company.
PR uses 27/26. 5J has it's own value. Zest has their own too.

If we would like everybody to fly the same speed, route, and flight time then I guess management of all those operating A320/A319 should have a sit-down so as to fly with no complications at all.

But I guess this would never happen...:8

[M 0.78]

Today 11:15
noschool4loki

Cost index assigned to international/regional/domestic routes are given by the company.
PR uses 27/26. 5J has it's own value. Zest has their own too.
===========

I suppose those numbers are generated by engineers using formulae bordering on black magic. But knowing what the other guys are up to helps in planning our own flights.

:cool:

It is good to know that whether PF or PNF, the co-pilot can call out "UNSTABILIZED, GO-AROUND"
This is a nice direction PAL is pursuing. The F/O's voice can be recognized and acknowledged.
Bye to the OLD SCHOOL!

So how come nobody called "unstabilized, go-around" on that flight?
=========================

Don't be in a rush to say goodbye to the old school. It's still there and as strong as ever. It seems new procedures and higher standards are mainly for show. Most FO's would rather die than mention to their captains that they "might" be deviating from standard. BTW, the captain in question is back on the line and strutting like a peacock.

Made it again!!!

:rolleyes:

[subsonic69]

guys .. is it true ??? a good friend of mine chatted with a fellow kababayan in Thailand. And that "kababayan" told him he was from cebu pacific and that they are in training for a different aircraft for Cebu Pacific...

which is it ?? Im not from bupak anymore and those people I know doesnt even know about the current training, ( if it were true) :}

777??? or 330???

[m.arbis]

Nope!!! No new equipment for us just yet!!! Most likely ATR's training in Bangkok.
Well how true is it that PAL is now training for 777?

[Mysha Da Kat]

The first couple sets of 777 crew are back from training in Seattle. The first plane is due in country any time.

[subsonic69]

i guess ..

mysha... Is the PAL 777 arriving this year ? and how many pilots did they train in Seattle ?

[Mysha Da Kat]

The first 777 is due this month. The second one is due in January. Some crew were trained in Seattle. Others were trained at EVA in TPE. I believe they trained 8 sets (capt/fo/so) including the admin captains. I'll try to get accurate data but don't hold your breath. I'm the laziest bum I know.

[thrust clb]

as per management recommendations, we use cost index 10 to save on fuel. i personally use cost index 12 to avoid piper aztecs and BN islanders from overtaking me within the TMA.:hmm:

[HarmonRabb]

Would this be Vietnam Airlines by any chance ? .......the other thread mentioned something about an ATR job contract for VA.

[jester_icarus]

now...now...Harmon......

[HarmonRabb]

Ooopppsss....:oh:
sorry Jester... did i just let the cat out of the bag??? :bored:

anyway, i saw an ad here in pprune ---- ATR42 pilots needed... just register at the Rishworth website....:E....... GREAT SALARY.... anyone who needs a bit of a change can always look for the greener pastures... :}

as my former US Navy CAG says -- " good huntin' gentlemen..... "

[chairwrecker]

seems VAC love their ATRs. don't 5J want to add more to the 10 ATRs? i know the buses should start coming in bunches now...

[subsonic69]

i think its 15 airbuses.

But from my source whose still with Cebu Pacific theres only 1 certifying engineer ( releasing mechanic ) per shift (most is 2) .. :D

i wonder how many flights you guys have now in a day.. back in the dc-9 757 days .. last terminating flight would be home at about 9 the latest..

current estimate is about 115 flights

so thats 115 / 3* = 38.xx ( 3*= shifts ) so 38 flightf for a type rated engineer.
38 / 9.5* = 4 (9.5*=number of hours per shift)
so thats 4 flights to be released by a type-rated engineer per hour. And that is if they come in equal intervals.

ooopsss...:}

[chairwrecker]

i am guessing that they will increase their support crew with the increase in buses, but your guess is as good as mine. :cool:

[flinth]

that really depends, if you don't have ample time for airbus then probably u'll land to atr. be ready to be based in cebu

[flinth]

if you dont have time operating A320 as operating crew the answer will be NO

[flinth]

Hey Guys

Whats up with this thread, almost 99% of all your posting show clear signs of bad grammer, really bad spelling errors, poor punctuation, and a level of understanding of the English language that would make me fearfull of sitting in the back of any aircraft that most of you would fly .. bearing in mind, that English is the language of aviation there is no excuse for what I am reading

If what I am reading here is the level of English used by "professionals" flying with Cebu Pacific and from the opinions being expressed ... it is very obvious that most of you are in the 10-14 age group and really need to grow up
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hahahaha hey do you know the word dictionary? you must be on a wrong forum so knock it off. and by the way how do spell your name? fleym? flaim? like GRAMMER? hahahaha:} lol

[thrust clb]

GRAMMAR is correct. GRAMMER is not.

[subsonic69]

:hmm:


:ugh:

[yowdude]

Hey Guys

Whats up with this thread, almost 99% of all your posting show clear signs of bad grammer, really bad spelling errors, poor punctuation, and a level of understanding of the English language that would make me fearfull of sitting in the back of any aircraft that most of you would fly .. bearing in mind, that English is the language of aviation there is no excuse for what I am reading

If what I am reading here is the level of English used by "professionals" flying with Cebu Pacific and from the opinions being expressed ... it is very obvious that most of you are in the 10-14 age group and really need to grow up
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thats right ,crawl back to wherever you came from.
hehehe napahiya ang ulupong:{ + 1 J.I.

[eyespeak]

look who's talking... check yours dude.:8

[buskoto]

A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black:rolleyes:


Whats up with this thread,[sic--poor punctuation] almost 99% of all your posting show[sic--subject-verb disagreement] clear signs of bad grammer,[sic--really bad spelling error] really bad spelling errors, poor punctuation, and a level of understanding of the English language that would make me fearfull[sic--really bad spelling error] of sitting in the back of any aircraft that most of you would fly .. [sic--poor punctuation]bearing in mind,[sic--poor punctuation] that English is the language of aviation there is no excuse for what I am reading[sic--poor punctuation]

If what I am reading here is the level of English used by "professionals" flying with Cebu Pacific and from the opinions being expressed[sic--awkward syntax] ...[sic--poor punctuation] it is very obvious that most of you are in the 10-14 age group and really need to grow up[sic--poor punctuation]

sic, sic, sic! Wrong usage of punctuation, wrong spelling, no punctuation mark, subject-verb disagreement, punctuation marks where there should be none, no punctuation mark where there should be one, awkward syntax. So where does that place you? In the 6-10 age group? :}:}:}

Everytime a Cebu Pac pilot touches down, he'll be reminded of you. You know, that "Retard, Retard" callout.:D:D:D

[cebuano]

you guys are really annoying! and this thread is pure nonsense! why don't you talk about real, substantial issues instead of wasting time checking each other's grammar! get some real life you f#c#ing retards!

[BOSBOS]

Good day
I have PPL from south africa and 174 hour
100 solo and 74 Dual.
I would like to ask if my PPL is expierd, to renew it
in Philippine , I have to make chekride and repeat the wrriten exam
and ten the flying exam, or I have to repeat all the PPL flying hours
from thhe beginning.
The answer is very important for me.
Thanks for your help in advance
Best regards
Mohamed fathi

[busdriver2010]

just out of curiosity what is the current pay for a capt/FO of an ATR and A320? Is cebupac better than PAL in our current aviation industry?

[thrust clb]

dunno about Pal pay but my bank statement shows these payroll deposits:

July 7 : 38,xxx
July 15: 152,xxx
July 22: 38,xxx
July 30: 42,xxx

Total around P270t net. Flew 85 hours in June. Airbus Captain. Hired sept 2001. No loans.

[arigato]

Wow, pay is good! How much allowance do you receive monthly (net)?

Pay = Wife/Family :ok:, Allowance = Sports activity :suspect: :oh: :ooh: :=

See u around. :) (joke lang)

[St. Ex]

And that doesn't even include JGSummer revenues!:ok:

[onedelacruz]

Hi everyone!

I also aspire to be an airline pilot someday.

Which flying school do you recommend that I enroll to aside from PAL Av and CA? I've crossed out PAL Av since they would not open a new batch anytime soon and CA being new with their PPL+CPL program.

I want to enter the airlines here in the Philippines. Would training with other av schools in the Philippines affect my chances of making it to the airlines (are the airlines biased to some schools)? Does PAL heavily prioritize their graduates? Is getting an airline sponsorship from Cebu Pacific the only way to enter CebuPac?

Thanks!

[busdriver2010]

@ St. Ex - what do you mean by JGSummer Revenues?

@ all - Would like to know from those in the airline industry here in the Philippines? Is it an advantage for the airline companies here in the phil if a fil citizen would have an FAA license compared to a CAAP License. Eventually I would be converting it though to a CAAP. Planning to study in Flightsafety or ATP abroad.

[St. Ex]

@ St. Ex - what do you mean by JGSummer Revenues?

It was just a reference to the previous post by thrust clb.

[bananaman2]

Smooth Operator... i'm in a similar position to you and would be interested to hear the situation. Would be happy working for Cebu - my mother is Filipino and seems like a good airline.

However for my 2 cents worth - been monitoring the situation for a while... one website (PilotRecruitmentCenter) says they won't hire till 2012 (also has the name of the Chief Pilot also) and my general assumption is they have links with the local flight schools like Clark Aviation where they take on their MPL cadets. Also they take their Filipino citizens first (understandable) - so unless you have a Filipino passport/residency, then I think your chances are slim. I spoke to someone in Phil about recruitment and they suggested, pay-to-fly can also happen in Phil. That said, seen seen much of the same criteria mentioned with other airlines in Asia before i.e residency/hours etc and have seen/heard many people achieve employment by turning up on the doorstep and knocking on the door - seems to be the way in Asia.

Obviously interested to hear other thoughts and the official line.

[alitaptap]

Starskate,

Yes, there is (now) a Contractor handling recruitment for CEB - i.e. Contractair - see and check (always at) Flightglobal magazine 'Jobs' and you can find a lot.

Hope this help.:)

[calmpilot]

Hi everyone. I hope all of you are doing well and hopefully has been reached to most of your goals already.
First i would like to give you a brief intro about myself then ask you a question please.

-I'm a general aviation flight instructor from MidEast and i already have more than 1700 total flying time mostly on a Single Engine airplanes.

I have got my licenses from the Philippines around 6 years ago.
Since then i wasn't able to get into the airlines by following a usual ways:ugh:
I have a few friends in the Philippines who are flyng in cebupac(But they are surely from the Philippines)and good for them:)

I would like to ask if anyone knows in case i go and get my A320 type rating at clarks aviation ,would there be any chances for me to get hired and start flying as an F/O in cebupac?
By the way i have no jet times as of now.

I do appreciate any useful replys.

Good luck!:ok:

[bananaman2]

calmpilot... a few thoughts from me (i've been looking into this myself also. Some of these comments are from what i've inferred on other pprune threads):

1) From what i've seen, the chances of you finding permanent employment in the Philippines are slim if you are not a Philippine citizen. Sure, i've seen many agencies recruiting expats for contract work and I imagine there will be expats pilots about, in permanent work who have plenty of experience but other than this, I think with zero hours (airline experience) prospects are not great (for the 320 anyway).

2) in line with (1), if your heart is set on Cebupac, the ATR could be an option.

3) I don't think you'll find any airlines in the Philippines commiting to employing you in advance from overseas, you'll have to go out there, get your rating and knock on a few doors.

4) Wouldn't restrict myself to Cebupac (even though it might be the ideal) - plenty of other A320 operators out there who offer good, if not better alternatives.

5) Linked to (3)... the only low hours pilots i've seen on schemes linked to A320 Ratings are MPL and/or other types of cadets.... so you'll have to pay for the Rating yourself with no potential job to go to.

6) Unfortunately (and this applies to myself also). If the age on your profile is correct, I think age is something you may want to consider and think about. In the UK, it is illegal to discriminate on age and there are no age limits on applications. On the other hand, i've seen in many other countries, particularly in the Middle and Far East, age restrictions applying on applications. Likes of Qatar Airways, Air Asia, spring to mind. On a more positive note, I have heard that Cebupac recruit ex-airforce pilots, who I would assume would not meet these limited age requirements.

Best of luck.

[calmpilot]

Hi bananaman2, thanks for the advises.
As you mentioned my chaces are slim however ATR is an amazing plane and it doesn't matter for me whether to go for A320 or ATR training ,since i'm just seeking a job ,also i don't think if there is any TRTO which provides an ATR training in the Philippines.. once more i guess i should expect the same story after having ATR type rating in hands..No jobs for me since don't have a line experience:ugh:
being an alien is not good when you wanna go and land your first job in the Philippines.

Best wishes :ok: