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The Guvnor
28th Aug 2001, 19:44
Press release

Brussels, 28th August 2001
1. Virgin Express - a Belgian airline

Virgin Express is a Belgian company employing more than 650 people. As per corporate governance principles, all significant decisions are taken in Belgium by its Board of Directors, which comprises 7 members (4 Belgians, 1 Dutch and 2 British).

Virgin Express is an affiliate of Virgin Express Holdings PLC, a UK based company, that is quoted on the Euronext and on the Nasdaq. The float represents around 48% of the shares.

Being a public and quoted company, all decisions taken by Virgin Express are
aimed to safeguard the interests of all the shareholders.

2. Brief history of the contract(s) with Sabena

In 1996 and 1997, Virgin Express (Belgium) SA/NV contracted a code-share agreement with Sabena:

On three routes Barcelona ("BCN"), Rome Fiumicino ("FCO") and London Heathrow
("LHR"); Sabena bought 80 seats on BCN and FCO and 85 on LHR ; Contracts were signed for an eight year term and expire in 10/2004 for LHR, 02/2005 for BCN and 03/2005 for FCO

In January 1999, at the request of Sabena, the contracts were amended as follows:
More space for the Sabena business passengers (pitch in front cabin increased from 29 inches to 31"); Removal of six seats to give lower density and thus loss of revenue for
Virgin Express. All aircraft of Virgin Express were re-pitched and accordingly also it generated loss of revenue on non-code-share flights. Increase in number of seats taken by Sabena to 96 seats on each route. Decrease of the price per seat to Sabena of 3.1%.

From November 2000 onwards (Winter season 2000/01), Virgin Express accepted to reduce the number of daily frequencies to FCO from 7 to 6 on request of Sabena.

Further to this reduction from March 2001 onwards (Summer season 2001), Virgin Express has also reduced the number of daily frequencies to FCO and BCN from 7 to 5 a day in order to further accommodate Sabena wishes.

3. Restructuring
We know that restructuring is a difficult process. During the first quarter of 2001 we halved our fleet and reduced our manpower by 35% in order to return to profitability. We are convinced that we have already contributed more than our share to the reduction of capacity in the Brussels market.
Sabena is an important supplier of Virgin Express for key processes in the production chain: ground handling and maintenance activities. Although we know that restructuring is a painful and chaotic process, we are dependent on our passengers and must fight for their loyalty and goodwill every day. We are therefore concerned about any negative impact that industrial action
within Sabena's personnel may have on continuation and quality of these services.

4. Sabena pilots
We understand that Sabena pilots have put some conditions prior to continuing their social negotiations with Sabena Management:

Respect of existing seniority;
Respect of existing payroll package;
Termination of Virgin Express contract.

We understand that Sabena pilots require terminating contracts with third parties prior to any lay-off of in-house workforce. Further to this we are aware of the existence of a collective bargaining agreement signed with Sabena pilots in whom Sabena limits to a certain percentage the production outsourced to third parties.

The position of Virgin Express is the following:
We have a legally valid contract with the company Sabena.
We do not want to be involved in any conflict between Sabena and its pilots or other Staff member of Sabena. This is an internal problem within Sabena, which should be solved within Sabena, without disturbing the business of
third party clients. Virgin Express never participated in any way in the agreement that Sabena has with its pilots.

Our agreement with Sabena does not refer to any production limitation or any restriction associated with outsourced production. The production of Virgin Express on behalf of Sabena represents 6 aircraft and about 50 pilots. Sabena's restructuring plan includes a decrease of 220 pilots from the work force.
A termination of the contract with Virgin
Express would not save jobs in Belgium but would only transfer a part of the problem that Sabena has to another Belgian airline.
We feel it is unacceptable that Virgin Express should be considered as liable and asked to pay for the reckless expansion of Sabena over recent years.

We feel it is unacceptable that Sabena pilots may think that one job or one staff member at Virgin Express is considered less valuable than one at Sabena.

Virgin Express is a major customer of Sabena Technics and Sabena Ground Handling and is astounded that a supplier should treat a customer in this high-handed manner.

5. Termination of the contract demanded by Sabena pilots

Virgin Express regularly meets with the management of Sabena for various discussions: strategy, planning & scheduling, commercial matters, etc. The tone of these meetings is always friendly and co-operative. A potential
termination of the contract(s) has never been on the agenda. Furthermore, because the Virgin Express restructuring plan is based on the current contractual arrangement, the company would not be willing to terminate the
code-share agreements. Should the contract be terminated, the impact for Virgin Express would be:

Loss of jobs in Belgium;
Virgin Express does not have slots at LHR, so the flights between Brussels and London would stop operating.
At BCN, Virgin Express owns 3 of the 5 daily slots and at FCO 2. Therefore only 3 daily flights to BCN and 3 to daily 4 flights to FCO would be operated.
We would obviously continue (and most likely expand) our independent routes.

6. Number of seats
Sabena has asked Virgin Express to reduce the number of contracted seats from 96 to 80 on FCO and BCN and 85 on LHR. Because the Virgin Express restructuring plan is based on the current contractual arrangement, the company has notified its refusal to decrease the number of contracted seats.

The position of Virgin Express is:
We already accepted in March 2001 a decrease in the number of frequencies on FCO and BCN routes from 7 to 5 a day to accommodate Sabena's wishes and to facilitate its restructuring plan. We have always acted in good faith and in a co-operative way.

There is a valid and binding contract between both parties.

The suggested change in seat numbers would not reduce the capacity in the market but just move the risk to Virgin Express from Sabena.

Sabena has not made any proposal in exchange of a reduction of the seats.

Sabena has confirmed its intent to unilaterally reduce the number of contracted seats. Through various meetings and exchange of courier, Virgin Express has tried to explain its point of view from a business and a legal perspective. Given the persistence of Sabena, after a last meeting with Mr. Muller on August 24th in the morning and despite a warning to Sabena of its
immediate legitimate legal action, Virgin Express has been obliged to safeguard its interests and has a filed a claim in summary proceedings (kortgeding / référe) on August 24th in the afternoon.

7. Our relationship with Sabena
In view of the strength of our relationship with Sabena and the benefits both airlines can expect to derive from its continuing and further to the spirit of various meetings with management of Sabena, we still and we always will consider Sabena as an important and valuable customer. The said legal
procedure will not change that approach at all. We do our utmost in order to deliver a good and qualitative service to both Virgin Express and Sabena passengers on the code-share flights.

stator vane
28th Aug 2001, 20:03
tell me more, tell me more!

brokepilot
28th Aug 2001, 21:53
so what.

Trinflight
30th Aug 2001, 03:43
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

exkiwibird
30th Aug 2001, 14:19
to the last two contributors... why the 'so what' and the 'ZZZZZ'?? Obviously the topic is of no interest to you, in which case... don't read it!!

As a former VEX employee I AM interested in this and like to hear any gossip/inside information. It is not compulsory to comment on everything you read in PPrune - so don't bother unless you are contributing.

So there!

The Guvnor
1st Sep 2001, 18:51
Latest news from Cloudcuckoo Land (aka BeCA headquarters) is that they are intending to strike from next Thursday if their demands are not met.

Sabena's management has made it very clear to them that if that happens, the company will be closed forthwith - neither Swissair Group nor the Belgian government are prepared in invest another centime in it.

Which will blink first? :D :rolleyes: :D

thewwIIace
1st Sep 2001, 23:40
fingers crossed that pilots will carry out there threat and then sabena will carry out there threat and close the awful debtridden and badly run airline. then other belgian airlines can prosper and compete on international levels

FreighterJock
2nd Sep 2001, 03:18
...Well...I Hope Sabena doesn't close down ...'cause if they do all the employees will flood the entire market....so to speak...(The above applies for all companies, of course..) :rolleyes:

Wing Commander Fowler
6th Sep 2001, 09:26
Well said "Ex Kiwibird"....... This topic has every right to be here!! Seem to remember a REALLY interesting one on "The new format of flight international magazine" jamming up the server - where were you snoring tosspots then???

763 jock
7th Sep 2001, 02:53
Dear Guv

I thought that happiness was a warm L1011? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

The Guvnor
7th Sep 2001, 11:52
From today's atwonline.com:

Sabena traffic was disrupted Thursday as pilots pushed ahead with their planned 24-hr. strike. The work stoppage was called by pilot association BeCA but did not get the support of the airline's other trade unions. BeCA, which represents up to 90% of the Sabena pilot group, said it plans further unannounced actions in the coming weeks. Both pilots and CEO Christoph Mueller remain firm on their demands. Mueller wants to cut the pilot workforce by 222 positions and increase the productivity of those who remain. He also wants to negotiate changes to seniority and promotions. The pilots refuse any changes to their seniority and promotion plan and propose higher productivity and wage reductions instead of layoffs. They also demand that management find a solution for what they call "the self-inflicted problem" with Virgin Express.

flugpants
7th Sep 2001, 12:00
The Sabena boys and girls are out all day today and possibly tomorrow! At present, Sobelair - the charter arm of Sabena is subbing in aircraft left right and centre to cover their charter programme! Looking to cover tomorrow too!

thewwIIace
8th Sep 2001, 01:19
they didnt warn anyone about the strike (pax and airline) and it was the smoothest brussels has run for a long time. lots of pax in terminals around europe disrupted. please carry on, great for customer loyalty!!! the problem is that apparently all 737s to go and pilots loosing jobs are from type not seniority so a bit unethical from airline really

thewwIIace
9th Sep 2001, 07:02
apparently more strikes next week so another reason for pax to go on other airlines who provide a better service anyway so not sure why they booked SN in the first place!! now other departments striking aswell to add to their own missery

lostinBRU
9th Sep 2001, 16:16
Like everything in life, things unfortunately aren’t black and white……….

I’m not involved any more, but I have seen things from the inside over the last 3 years.

Here’s the scenario; it has been decided to cut the A340 fleet from long-haul and drop the 737 from the short-haul and as a consequence shed approx 220 flight deck from a workforce of around 1200.

DAT (the short haul RJ fleet) is the most junior addition to the Group, its pilots being on the common seniority list, is actually profitable in its own right, is understaffed (hence contract pilots) and working its socks off. The Plan calls for a large expansion of this fleet and the establishment of a smaller 50-seat fleet.

The Dilemma. So, Sabena has decided to expand its core business of short/medium haul. If the seniority list is respected, then by default the bottom 220 are a huge percentage of the F/Os on the RJ fleet. Who replaces them? The 340 F/Os??? 737 F/Os???? Most of them would probably want a command. What happens to the senior 340 captains? Would they be happy to have an RJ command? I think not. They would probably insist on a 320 seat, and kick him down to the RJ.

What I’m trying to illustrate is that seniority lists are not the be all and end all. The upheaval and training costs (even if they had the capability of doing it) of everybody shuffling down would probably sink the company anyway.

If BA decided to cut its long haul ops, would BALPA insist that the CFE guys go see McDonalds?

HOW WOULD YOU RESOLVE IT?

IMHO, a way forward would be to offer the TOP 220 pilots on the list a golden handshake. Make it large enough for them not to afford to turn it down. This way you lose (a significant number of) the pilots belonging to the aircraft being cut and avoid all the seat shuffling and ongoing training costs. Another possibility is that DAT could be de-merged from the group whilst the cuts are being made……..

Whatever happens, there is pain ahead.

The Guvnor
10th Sep 2001, 13:37
Sabena goes to court over illegal actions by pilots
Dateline: Monday September 10, 2001

Sabena Friday morning launched an urgent court action against its pilots after they staged a wildcat strike just one day after they held an announced 24-hr. work stoppage (ATWOnline, Sept. 7).

Sabena asked the court to order the pilots back to work and to impose fines of Bfr100,000 ($2,218) on each pilot who takes part in another unannounced strike and Bfr1 million against BeCA, the pilots' association, if it stages another walkout. Sabena maintains the pilot strikes are illegal as BeCA is not a recognized trade union and therefore has no authority under Belgian law to negotiate pay. In addition, it is illegal to strike during the information-giving part of labor negotiations.

Management and unions, which did not support the pilots' actions, were scheduled to discuss CEO Christoph Mueller's reorganization plan Friday afternoon. "The goals of the business plan are not negotiable," Mueller said at a press conference. "It's a composition of many, many factors. If I'm now asked to leave the salt out of the soup I cannot sell it as soup anymore. We will try to find to right balance between costs and social elements." Commenting on the pilots' attitude and demands, he said Sabena "will not respect the seniority list entirely. We cannot give certain reassurances to one group over another."

kippa
10th Sep 2001, 17:31
Now wot cr£p is he speaking?