Merged: Another new Australian airline???

[cama7]

Any ideas as to the identity of those involved, or the name of the airline company? Rather interesting timing.

http://peanuts.aero/low_cost_airline_news/airline/10958/59/New%20Australian%20start-up%20airline%20targets%20Sydney%20and%20other%20major%20citi es%20with%20regional%20jets

[trashie]

From the Centre of Asia Pacific Aviation:
New Australian start-up airline targets Sydney and other major cities with regional jets

A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.


The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.

The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.

The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.


How do end up with a million dollars in airlines?
You start with ten million

[International Trader]

Is there any room to squeeze in between VB and QF?

I find in laughable that people can actually sell these ideas to investors and get $$$ to play with.
$10m just not enough, try $50m and still on shakey ground.
Another lost cause.
Lets hope they regain their senses before they start and do some damage to employees, suppliers ,etc.

[Inbound On Descent]

$10m just not enough, try $50m and still on shakey ground.

Mr Godfrey started DJ with $13M

Just a thought !

:ok:

Inbound

[newsensation]

Qantaslink is perfectly positioned between Qantas and Virgin, it's Qantas's Full Service Low Cost carrier! Maybe there will be Q400's to the Gold Coast...

[Keg]

Mr Godfrey started DJ with $13M


.....and probably would have finished with $0 and a huge debt had AN not fallen over! :ugh:

Australia is not a three airline market when they're all going head to head.

[ramyon]

A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.


The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.


Wrong aircraft, wrong market, wrong timing.......Sounds more like a plan built on wishful thinking than anything else....Would be really surprised to see it go ahead.....Reminds me of kiwijet ........both will not come to pass.. it's all about capital folks and most start ups will find it next to impossible to raise enough to get off the ground let alone the war chest required to sustain services in the airline bus...the airline industry is a very bad investment for most... this would be even further compounded in the current economic climate... Although I'd gladly be proven wrong:ok:

[neville_nobody]

I can't see how they will be cheaper if they offer food & drinks. They pay the same if not more for everything else. (Fuel, Landing fees, Airways Charges etc) If I had that sort of money I wouldn't be spending it on a unproven startup LCC.

[orangepeel]

What makes you say that the E190 s the wrong aircraft for a start up operation - or any operation for that matter ?

I would like to hear your reasoning behind your 'informed' comment...

[cokecropduster]

It is the budget off-shoot of Virgin Blue....

[tourismman]

www.vivajet.com.au

[lc_461]

VivaJet Airlines is the newest domestic airline of Australia and we are getting ready to operate in the middle of 2008*. Using the new Embraer E-170 and E-190 aircraft, the ATR-72 and the Airbus A300 Cargoliner, we will deliver a standard of domestic air travel never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks.

Check out : http://www.vivajet.com.au/index.html

Thoughts? Timetable sounds a bit iffy to me. Apparently it has very strong german backing!

lc_461

[ules]

cool this will be intresting, i could see vivajet taking over all of rex's routes.
rex :yuk:

[Chocks Away]

Yep, both Rex and Easterns have shown they're incapable of keeping services and it looks like QF want to rid themselves of any props... maybe franchise it out... plenty of room for this one to step in.

Best of luck to them:ok:

[cjam]

Would be cool if it worked, I reckon they've just made up random schedules though because many of the arrival and departure times don't add up.

[Zero_au]

Virgin mates reckon it's their new low cost arm of the airline. Does anybody in the know care to clarify?:confused:
And this ,this morning.

Teresa Ooi and Geoffrey Thomas | June 20, 2008
AUSTRALIA is to have a new domestic airline - VivaJet - to rival Qantas and Virgin Blue, both of which are slashing unprofitable regional routes to combat soaring fuel prices.

VivaJet will use 70-seat Embraer E-170s along with other aircraft.
VivaJet, based in Melbourne, is expected to start operations in November, promising a "better" service with complimentary light meals and drinks and cheap fares.

It is believed that two former Qantas executives are advising VivaJet.

The Sydney-based Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) said the new airline planned to start passenger and cargo services later this year, using the 70-seat Embraer E-170 and 90-seat E-190 regional passenger jets (E-Jets), 72-seat ATR-72 turbo-props and a Airbus A300 Freighter aircraft.

Virgin Blue was the first to introduce E-jets on the east coast and Canberra services late last year.

VivaJet will be headed by Cenap Kathyaoglu, who has been in the tourism and aviation industry for more than 20 years and helped to develop several companies in Europe and the US in the highly competitive airline sector.

The new airline is defying soaring fuel prices, falling consumer confidence and the volatile equity market.

VivaJet has been registered as a private Australian company in Melbourne since 2006 and is backed by German investment partners.

It faces a major hurdle to break the stranglehold that Qantas and, more recently, Virgin Blue have gained on the premium business market in Australia.

VivaJet is expected to launch with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, with plans for an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast.

An informed source said that at least eight Embraer aircraft may be leased by VivaJet, a Brazilian maker renowned for its cost-effective approach.

Slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, but the airline will progressively roll out its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.

However, what has not been revealed is which airports the airline will operate from.

Some suggest it may use Sydney's Bankstown.

CAPA said the airline had plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel "never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low-fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks".

The last airline to offer premium services and low prices was Ozjet.

It lasted less than six months, with many routes having more flight attendants than passengers.

In fact, the only successful major start-up in the past two decades was Virgin Blue, which flourished after the collapse of Ansett Australia in September 2001.

Also on the radar is the Indonesian carrier Lion Air, which plans to commence operations later this year using a fleet of six extended-range B737-900ERs.

Lion will hold 49 per cent of the new company, which is to be 51 per cent owned by Brisbane-based Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.

Initially, the airline is looking at international routes to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, but is also considering operating some domestic destinations.

[bluex]

Found this thread from Nov 07:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=299323&highlight=vivajet

Checked the VivaJet website and ran Google search on CEO (Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu)
- taken from:
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewforum.php?f=4

"6.) 28.07.1998
Turkish Tandem Pilot: Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu
Visiting Tandem Passenger: Mrs.Sehgal Sangereeta
Visiting Tandem Paraglider Passenger Fatality
Babadag, Oludeniz/Fethiye
Pilot forgets to lock passangers" leg straps before takeoff, passenger falls and crashes"
Pilot's name is same as VivaJet's CEO

Also found a post where Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu included website www.efesair.com - member's name from Nov 07 post
Many posts in various other forums on many subjects using username "efesair"

[denabol]

Has any of the formalities for an AOC started? Is November this year possible? Some of my extended family make a living from flying and they say both plans are total BS until real dough is spent on the necessary management appointments and documentation. One of them also told me the reference to slots had to be BS as well.

[Jenna Talia]

Didn't Brett Godfrey previously mention publicly to the possibility of a LCC arm of VB being created sometime in the future? Considering this, I would expect if that were to occur then he would publicly announce it. Furthermore, what about obligations of a public announcement to the ASX? No, it doesn't sound right to me that it is an offshoot LCC of VB.

One of them also told me the reference to slots had to be BS as well.

I totally agree, particularly in reference to Sydney.

Some suggest it may use Sydney's Bankstown.

Yeah, right :rolleyes:

JT

[DJCCGuy]

If this does get up and going, Virgin Blue's attempt at the corporate market will be very short lived.

[porch monkey]

No AOC, no application for one submitted. 12 months away at least in that case. Methinks another case of another ****** opening his mouth before engaging brain. As far as investors? Have a think about it. Who would put money up in this current climate? :rolleyes:

God I hate the censor......

[obie2]

Interesting post from bluex yesterday! I'm surprised nobody seems to have picked up on it!

Sure, it's his first post and he may have an agenda, but his claim is easily checked!

[dirty deeds]

This whole story sounds strange!

[WilliamOK]

Seems like a wind up to me.

[BPA]

A PLAN to launch a new airline business from a house in suburban Bentleigh appears to have crashed before take-off.

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority made it clear yesterday that would-be carrier VivaJet, which hopes to begin flying before Christmas, would not get approval to fly this year.

VivaJet Airlines Pty Ltd, a start-up company owned and now being promoted by Cenap Hasmet Kahyaoglu, wants to begin passenger and cargo flights before the end of 2008.

CASA spokesman Peter Gibson told BusinessDaily yesterday that VivaJet had "not held formal or informal" talks with anyone in his department.

"There is an approval process for this and it is a process that takes about 12 months when an operator starts from scratch," said Mr Gibson.

"It is certainly not achievable by November," he added.

Start-up airline businesses are required to obtain an Air Operator's Certificate from CASA.

The certificate is a licence to fly passengers and is granted to the chief pilot of an airline once a stringent set of safety standards are met.

In VivaJet's case the issue becomes even more complex because Mr Kahyaoglu plans to wet lease aircraft, operating crew as well as maintenance technicians from the US.

Before any VivaJet plane flew commercially, the aircraft, the pilots and crew as well as the maintenance contractors would have to seek and obtain CASA approval.

As an aviation industry source noted: "Everything is possible providing you have the time to wait and the money to fund it".

VivaJet, which already has a website complete with various operating schedules, says on its website it will commence in 2008 with new Embraer 170 and 190 passenger aircraft, and French built ATR-72 and Airbus A300F jets.

"Welcome to VivaJet Airlines, where service is no coincidence," the site proclaims, declaring that: "The newest domestic airline in Australia is getting ready to operate in 2008."

The site promises to "deliver a standard of domestic air-travel never experienced before in Australia . . . and all this on a low-fare basis, including food and drinks".

No explanation is offered about how a start-up business could offer low fares and food and drink in the present climate of high fuel costs.


The Australian

Looks like the guy is dreaming!

[sahap]

hi,

where did you get that information from about 1 million..?

[grrowler]

Well that was short lived - seems their website has been taken down already...

[constance]

Now at www.alphajet.com.au (http://www.alphajet.com.au) hmmmmmm

[Buster Hyman]

It is believed that two former Qantas executives are advising VivaJet.

I think you'll find that at least one of them was from Jetstar...but, you did read it here first some time back if I recall....:cool: