QF tailpipe fire ex-SIN

[international hog driver]

A little birdy just pooped in my pigeon hole.

News is QPA had a tailpipe fire ex-SIN and there is some damage to the 330…….

More to come. People are being called as we speak, I was out to dinner with one of them, wonder if any engineers want the overtime to fix it……:}

[dkaarma]

Well Mr. Dixon, put that in your tailpipe and smoke it!

boom tish

Thankyou - I'll be here all week.. Try the veal!

[Keg]

I thought the quote was:

I'm here until Thursday....try the veal!

:ok:

(Sorry for the thread drift. Hope all is well with our guys in SIN).

[Alex 009]

Oh joy I am travelling on QF52 on Monday an im pretty sure that is a A330 service!

[chemical alli]

Was a 330 service !
Enjoy the classic ride

[Alex 009]

Was a 330 service !
Enjoy the classic ride


Thanks mate. I'm sure the classic will be amazing!

[Eastwest Loco]

QF52 19MAY SIN BNE is still indicating 333 equipment in the QF system.

Seat map is offline but is still indicating same equipment.

Maybe the will have removed the baked Chinese engineer from the tailpipe by then. He should be done by now.

Best all.

EWL

[Going Boeing]

My understanding is that the aircraft was operating the QF78 SIN-PER, not the QF52 SIN-BNE.

For those who have seen the aircraft post the event, did the plastic melt? :)

[boeing baby]

This was a serious fire! Not just a tailpipe flame out!
Entire right wing was engulfed in flames for around 20secs!
Bad scorch marks and soot from fuselage through to 2nd canoe, damage to leading edge and trailing edge, paint bubbled etc! Sounds like a very close call!
Amazed that this has not made the media!
GD must have paid the Fairfax and News Corp. bills this month!!!

[chainsaw]

Bad scorch marks and soot from fuselage through to 2nd canoe, damage to leading edge and trailing edge, paint bubbled etc!

GASP! :eek:

That must have been some tailpipe fire!

Sounds as though it's going to be a fairly expensive repair job. :hmm:

[Short_Circuit]

There is heaps of money in the scab fund QF can use to pay for it. :ok:

[Capt Fathom]

737 Tailpipe Fire (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c4xO7VMAFDA)

[chainsaw]

Capt Fathom,

GASP! :eek:

Now that WAS some tailpipe fire!

[Short_Circuit]

Just a sign of things to come

NO man push backs ring a bell!

(Probably a fire bell or two).

No man transit, no man push back, fuel leak, hot start

BANG!
Whats that gunna cost ya!

[MACH082]

That video is a preserved engine being brought back into service. Rather differant to the QF 330 saga.

[The Mr Fixit]

I expect to be chastised if I am incorrect but my take on it is as follows

Aircraft pushback as per normal in SIN - NO LICENCED ENGINEER

Tailpipe Fire occurs - UNLICENCED ENGINEER DOESN"T KNOW WHAT TO DO

Calls Cockpit - FIRE FIRE FIRE SHUTDOWN ENGINE

An appropriate licenced Engineer would have told the crew "Tailpipe Fire No # Engine, Shut Off Fuel, Motor engine over until fire disperses on my call"

Instead a life threatening incident occurs

NO LICENCED ENGINEER OPERATION ENDANGERS LIVES - WHEN WILL THE QANTAS MANAGEMENT WAKE UP, WHEN SOMEONE DIES ?

AUSTRALIA HAS THE BEST AVIATION SAFETY RECORD FOR GOOD REASON - DON'T LET PROFIT MONGERING DESTROY IT

IT IS TIME FOR THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC TO STAND UP

[Short_Circuit]

A preserved engine billows SMOKE not flames,

Smoking like a HQ holden on a cold winter morning.

THAT was more like a Saturn V rocket launch not an inhibited engine start.

But I guess that if you inhibit an engine with liquid oxygen it would look like this.:p

[MACH082]

Maybe during the day, but at night it looks far more dramatic!

I remember hearing about these events which they generally do late at night to avoid a public spectacle. A real occasion for the engineers who make it a must see event.

Im pretty sure i was emailed this vid a few years ago. Might see if i can dig it up.

[Short_Circuit]

In my many decades of day & night engine runs with new donks,

NEVER have I seen one do that!

Unless there was a fuel metering or air flow problem...

Anyone else?

PS

Possibly if you use used cooking oil?

[Launch_code_Harry]

Tailpipe Fire occurs - UNLICENCED ENGINEER DOESN"T KNOW WHAT TO DO

Calls Cockpit - FIRE FIRE FIRE SHUTDOWN ENGINE
Surely the "engine tailpipe fire" recall checklist would mitigate this to some degree?

[Keith Myath]

Surely the "engine tailpipe fire" recall checklist would mitigate this to some degree?



Engine Tailpipe Fire does not make it onto the airbus recall list:eek:

[aulglarse]

A tailpipe fire is not technically an engine fire either-so good luck with ANY indications/ECAM's from the cockpit!:ugh:

[Launch_code_Harry]

Not a recall checklist? No cockpit indications?? unlicensed engineers doing the pushback?
Those holes in the cheese are lining up folks, unfortunately only a question of time.

[Harbour Dweller]

Engine Tailpipe Fire has been made a recall by Cathay for the Airbus fleet for this very reason.

Standby for changes ahead to QF policy

[SCHAIRBUS]

Engine was given full fuel at 8% N3 on start ECC suspected fault, start is all auto on these just like starting an APU so none of the people involved would be at fault.
Looks like it's down to MR airbus again.:ouch:

[Toolpants]

So... did QF ever find any SYD guys to send up to fix this thing?

[Syd eng]

Heard yesterday that GE are going to do the engine change when it is done.

[NAMD]

Short_Circuit

In my many decades of day & night engine runs with new donks,

NEVER have I seen one do that!

Unless there was a fuel metering or air flow problem...

Anyone else?

PS


You need to get out more. :}

The engineers of a now defunct blue tail airline in MEL used to have this down to a fine art. First one I ever saw was a 76, and while I was about to start taking appropriate steps (really big ones) I found all the old hands nodding appreciatively!

[Capt OverUnder]

Check this link
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/05/17/stories/2008051752151300.htm

[Desert Flower]

Hell - somebody fetch the hotdogs & the marshmallows! ;)

DF.

[division1]

Some of the passengers rushed to the exit nearby, the airhostess there stood like a rock and said, “No, don’t open. You can’t.”
As some of us began rushing to the front exit, various thoughts ran across one’s mind.
What about my passport in the hand bag? What about my baggage? What about the money I had in the bag?
“To hell, let’s get out first,” I thought.
But we were stopped and the firm and strict voices of the crew held us back.
“Don’t run to exits. Please go back to your seats. Nothing to worry,” they shouted.

:D Well done cabin crew, Excel awards might be appropriate.

Captain Steve McMann later said the fire was due to some staff leaving a bit of fuel in the engine.

:eek: The media really loves technical details like that, lol.

[Capt Kremin]

Credit where credit is due. Well done to the Cabin crew involved.:D

[9v-SKA]

Mr Fixit, what you said is kind of dangerous. If you do not know what is going on, please do not spread rumors that pushbacks in Singapore is done by unlicensed engineers. As far as I know, CAAS will never let that happen.

In my opinion I think its just an engine backfire?

[N.E.R.D.]

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:
A static "Tailpipe Fire" is NOT and engine back fire.

[Bolty McBolt]

9v-SKA, what you said is kind of dangerous. If you do not know what is going on, please do not spread rumours that push backs in Singapore is done by unlicensed engineers. As far as I know, CAAS will never let that happen.

In my opinion I think its just an engine backfire?

It was a tail pipe fire. The start sequence fuel flow was way to high due to a fault.
The guys from SIA Engineering Company whom do the push backs on customer aircraft are NOT licensed. Guaranteed
Many do not even hold a trade, they are called technicians.

But there would be many young LAMEs/LAE whom have never experienced a tail pipe fire and may react the same as the SIA tech during the QPA push back. As few guys in their 20s would have ever worked on the older P/W engines where a tail pipe fire was not unexpected.

Experience counts in a situation like this not the licenses you hold :ok:

[Toolpants]

So has this a/c been fixed yet ?

[Bolty McBolt]

So has this a/c been fixed yet ?

Flew out of Sydney this morning. :cool:

[Syd eng]

Wow for it to not only fly back fixed but to be fully serviceable is amazing. I heard the Flaps were stuffed, the strut was cooked, plus the engine change.
Is it really back in service?

[Jabawocky]

All stapled back together:}

J:E

[Keg]

Yes Syd Eng, back in service. Each Wednesday Flight Ops publish a one page burst called 'on deck'. It has a write up in there about it. I'm not going to publish it here- company in confidence probably- but suffice to say that the damage wasn't that significant. There wasn't even an engine change. It was after all a tailpipe fire in an area that is quite used to hot temperatures! :ok:

[Bolty McBolt]

but suffice to say that the damage wasn't that significant.

You could say that on first glance but the repair bills are over the million dollar mark. :ok:

[B A Lert]

I'm not going to publish it here- company in confidence probably-

Aw, go on Keg! This hasn't stopped people in the past!:ok:

[600ft-lb]

boro carried out, nil internal damage to the engine.

multiple engine starts and shutdowns c/o ops all normal

ndt carried out on all fairings around, nil damage

back in service

[The Black Panther]

Who did the rescue?

Take a look at the Boro Ind Insp write up.
No date
No local time
No IAW.

Definitely NOT IAW QEPM's

CASA wouldn't be too happy.:=

[Chopper OZ]

Thats standard practice in SIA. Heard a story of an avionics LAME radio Maintenance control asking what the amber XX meant on an ECAM page ...:ugh:... and they also get "A&C extensions" :{