ALPA finally pushes Atlas-Polar Merger

[nitty-gritty]

Got this today. Seems that the push for Teamsters at Atlas has motivated ALPA National's Executive Board into finally putting a band-aid on the Atlas Polar merger situation.

Maybe it is a small bribe to keep Atlas in ALPA to stop the Teamster push.

https://crewroom.alpa.org/AAI072/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=42951

[BillyBob521]

Had to be expected, Alpa has become a retirement home for old bad lawyers. Atlas leaving, threatened their home! I hope at least one ALPA carrier has the nads to tell ALPA no, instead of taking the cowards way out and leaving.

[nitty-gritty]

I think when a group (Atlas) takes a stand against deals brokered behind the scenes for influence via votes for a president, that it in no way could be considered a cowards way out. Just the opposite.

[742]

BillyBob521—

Are you suggesting that changing to the Teamsters is “…the cowards way out”? The Teamsters have been called a lot of things over the years, but a refuge for cowards….that has got to be a new one!

[EJetCA]

1. SCOPE
2. WORKRULES
3. Should, May, Best Effort, and Will Try are not terms for a CBA

In 2 contract cycles I NEVER saw a Professional Negotiator from IBT.
We never had full time union reps from IBT.
We had to have an assessment to get ONE pilot off line, as the dues at IBT don't cover that.

We did get a great scope, but that doesn't seem important at this company

[layinlow]

Honoring work rules are not AAWWH's strong suit.

[nitty-gritty]

Kind of gotten quiet out there.

[whaledriver101]

The baby got what it wanted and it stopped crying.

[joetommy]

Come on now Whale 101. Let's raise the level of discussion.

[Furloughed]

I'm hoping the Polar MEC is able to end the merger. ALPA should be working as well to terminate this:
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.

I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.

[Fr8Dog]

I'm hoping the Polar MEC is able to end the merger. ALPA should be working as well to terminate this:
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.

I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.


WHAT?

[nitty-gritty]

I'm hoping the Polar MEC is able to end the merger. ALPA should be working as well to terminate this:
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.

I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.


WHAT?



Probably what the Polar membership has been told by their MEC vs what is the truth. It doesn't have to make sense, just work for their purposes.

[Best Angle]

The crew leasing scam is addressed in the DHL block space agreement. They want a 121 certificate without any crewmembers attached to it.

[Fr8Dog]

Almost all of you posting here absolutely amaze me. And most of you are out of you f____g minds. Having been in this business for almost 40 years now, and flying for some of the worst and some of the best, it is time to open your eyes and realize that this is not, nor will it ever be again the glamorous “Clipper Skipper” job of the 50’s and 60’s. If you do not think that making 100k + a year as an F/O or F/E or 200k as a Captain flying around the world in a 74 an o.k. job, then maybe you should re-think your career choice. Sure it would be nice to have a 14 day work month instead of a 17 days. And it would also be nice to make 300k a year. BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!HELLO,Wake up! This is 2008 and jet fuel is not 16 cents a gallon anymore.
For those of you that think that AAWW will continue to tolerate the crap that the Polar MEC has been incessantly doing, I caution some of the Polar crew members to govern yourselves accordingly. or you might find that you are on the street with no job at all. Better get on the bandwagon while there is still time.

[Intruder]

The crew leasing scam is addressed in the DHL block space agreement. They want a 121 certificate without any crewmembers attached to it.
So you have seen the agreement? How 'bout posting an excerpt (or a link to the whole thing) so we can all see what you're claiming to talk about...

[layinlow]

No but we have seen what the yoyo's at AAWWH are trying to do.
And fr8, you are wrong, it could go back at least a little with the QOL if only there were enough people to stand up to managment instead of rolling over and having their tummy rubbed. But...then again there will always be some to take advantage to the detrement of all.

[hvydriver]

FR8, at Astar, I make 211 and change per hour flying a DC8-73. In 3 more years, I'll be at 245. We just signed for that new payscale a couple of months back. It can be done, if you're willing to do what's required to get it. ABX guys make more than us, though.

[BELOWMINS]

Fr8
I'll pass on "getting on the bandwagon". I think it's headed off a cliff.

[Fr8Dog]

Belowmins, Hope your screen name does not fortell what your wages will be soon. Keep it up, you will see.:ugh:

[whaledriver101]

Fr8dog,, layinlow is right. You CAN have the QOL you desire but you WILL have to take a stand. One of the things that is a concern among the Polar pilots is the "lack of spine" among the Atlas crewmembers.

[snakeoil]

Fr8Dog - your screen name speaks volumes.

Well I too think you and those of your ilk are out of your F>>>> minds. I am sick of the lies and propaganda that has been broadcast all over the net through third parties and we all know who the players are, no point in naming them. Apparently the lack of balls and stupidity of the Atlas group has no limits. You are willing to work for years, perhaps decades, in a haze of jet lag, unable to plan a life, unable to count on days off, held hostage in airplane cockpits and isolated hotels, eating bad catering, breathing toxic air for many hours per month?? Is that what you want? Guess so. What's the F>>>>>>ing point ? Glory? the "thrill" of flying a 747 ??? Money?? HuH??? If this group were not so naive and had a set of balls this situation would not exist. Now that the process of decertifying ALPA is in play, we will soon be in a much weaker position, exactly what Cato and the boys want, yet you think its more advantageous. Right.

If anyone would bother to read and educate themselves, on what is really going on, and not rely on the company sponsored propaganda network, perhaps the bigger picture would be visible. Maybe. But group think, fueled by the usual disinformation, is in full flower, and it must smell really good-roses I am sure.

Management does not HAVE to behave like this, its a choice, its not about money but power, period. They are winning. The Atlas group is in the process of committing professional suicide, setting a new low for the industry that will accelerate the race to the bottom-no doubt that other management teams will follow suit. There are no good outcomes for labor.

If the pilots are separated from the Polar certificate, its history within days maybe sooner. Then what FR8-puppy ??? Then you really think we are in a better negotiating position? The Polar group will be replaced with another leasing company, staffed with a bunch of up and up and coming aviators, ex-commuter types, that will work for 40% percent of what we make and be willing to work 30 days a month to "get their the career going" or some equally idiotic self delusional reason. And thats if this cluster . . . . is even around. There is something big and ugly in the works that management is very keen to implement. We have been sold out. The Polar guys may be tacked onto the bottom of the list and furloughed but at least they stood up for a sustainable life style, unlike our group. I am sure I am not the only one that is appalled at our corrupt union leadership.

[nitty-gritty]

Fr8dog,, layinlow is right. You CAN have the QOL you desire but you WILL have to take a stand. One of the things that is a concern among the Polar pilots is the "lack of spine" among the Atlas crewmembers.

From what I and a number of third party witnesses remember of history, every time Atlas stood up for themselves they were quickly betrayed by their sister council on a number of levels. Such as when Polar requested relief from the agreed upon struck work rules to further gain more Atlas flying/aircraft. Probably to claim later under Polar's scope clause forever and always like they did with the Atlas flying/aircraft shifted to Polar to make a negotiating point to the Atlas crews prior to the strike.

We had plenty of spine to go on a sympathy strike for Polar despite their previous actions to gain at Atlas crews expense until the Federal Court ordered us back to work. We did it when no one else would. Then we get blamed for all of their lack of planning.

i.e.: https://crewroom.alpa.org/AAI072/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=41015

[FirstStep]

Ahhh.... How easy would it be to take comfort in the general panic and fury found in the Polar posts. The look of fear in their eyes, as they are going down, and they know it. This is akin to WAR, and the tide is finally turning our way. But, I'm not that kind of guy.:E
Soon, we will all be unified under the Teamster banner, for-better-or-for-worse. Then, we can begin a new chapter in our lives, as a whole.

[layinlow]

OK stop it!!!!! This has been over and over and over. The question was going back to the "old days". How far do you want to go back? Go back too far and your right where you are now, crappy pay, crappy hours, crappy management who promote time whoring. How about a little QOL here. Fr8, you say you cannot go back. Well, let me tell you something there mister, there are a lot of carriers that are not even close to the level you are at Atlas. If you want to look at the CBA at Fed Ex, or UPS, I can most ceratinly accomdate you. The difference is that, one they work for a decent company, not the the one you work for. A third year FO makes more than most of your Captains, with more days off, written in stone scheduling, and a ton of other benefits. So you don't have to go back, just grow a set and quit blaming someone else for your troubles.
I sat at the Symphonia with a many of your bretheren and my good friends and toasted many a caprainia and learned of the regime you work under, pre and post Chaudry, and you know what, they hated both, and we are talking 8 years ago!!

[cptvac]

Snakeoil

Well put. Matter of fact, so beautiful I think I'm wiping away tears.

[joetommy]

I hate to say it FR8DOG but I agree with the Polar guys. I think their take on your last post is correct. After the CBA was signed the word was "it's OK for a first contract".
Well, now we are looking at a second contract and OK is not good enough. Many of the Atlas crewmembers are working 23 or 24 days a month, days off are moved at the whim of scheduleing, Stansted continues to operate as a union busting operation, the list goes on and on.

Atlas Air stock is tradeing north of $60.00 a share. Management tells investors on their conference call that they hold down costs by having the crewforce work 25% overtime.

Come on now FR8DOG. Lets not just roll over.

[trashhauler]

Snakeoil, you hit the nail right on the head.

[rob rilly]

From what I and a number of third party witnesses remember of history, every time Atlas stood up for themselves they were quickly betrayed by their sister council on a number of levels. Such as when Polar requested relief from the agreed upon struck work rules to further gain more Atlas flying/aircraft.

AH, more Nitwit propaganda ! All you know is what your MEC said, nothing in writing to back any of that up ! Atlas crews eat anything they are fed, and it's time to start spitting it out. DB, JC, TH,and KM have really fed Atlas crews S**T, and kept you in the dark.

[742]

joetommy: Reality Check.

Any Atlas pilot working “23 or 24 days a month” is doing so voluntarily. And I don’t come across any.

Days off can only be moved if the majority of your award was reserve, and then only 4. This is common contract language.

Stanstead as a base is shrinking, AABO is shrinking faster.

“overtime” is time over guarantee. Like a Delta pilot working 80 hours with a guarantee of 65.

You Polar guys have worked yourselves into a frenzy over a bunch of exaggerated half truths—at best.

For the record, this middle-of-the-pack Atlas pilot will be home for 15 days in May.

And rob rilly; go ahead and send me more pointless, insulting PMs if it makes you feel better.

[rob rilly]

742, so how many names do you use here..? Never sent a pm to you as 742 !!! You blew your cover ..................(FR8Dog) You need to be more careful !

[742]

742, so how many names do you use here..? Never sent a pm to you as 742 !!! You blew your cover ..................(FR8Dog) You need to be more careful !


Just me and my one ID. And I don't even know who FR8Dog is. For the record, I received the following PM from you on May 10:

Cowards = SC*B which ATLAS Crews Are !!!

[nitty-gritty]

AH, more Nitwit propaganda ! All you know is what your MEC said, nothing in writing to back any of that up ! Atlas crews eat anything they are fed, and it's time to start spitting it out. DB, JC, TH,and KM have really fed Atlas crews S**T, and kept you in the dark.

Why don't you just ask your own contract administrator who was called on to testify that is what happened during that time. I believe it was during the Bobb Henderson "Get all the liars together" meeting with the AFL-CIO retired Secretary Treasurer mediating. The same meeting where Bob Fell former Polar MEC Chairman (and the man whom actions are in question) walked out of the meeting when it was his turn on the mat.

So I would suggest looking at what your told from your leadership with apprehension until you get outside confirmation. Considering how the Polar group tends to be treated like mushrooms as far as information (kept in the dark and fed what ever S**T your leadership wants). I can understand why you think the way you do.


On the topic of the thread.

I just heard that the ALPA National promised delivery of the Atlas-Polar seniority list is being stalled by Polar now. That stalls the merger process--yet again. Delivery of the list starts the merger clock. Funny how Polar won that seniority list arbitration and they now don't like it.

[rob rilly]

Like I said, and thanks for backing me up. NO PROOF, just your lies about it......

By Nitty Gritty :I just heard that the ALPA National promised delivery of the Atlas-Polar seniority list is being stalled by Polar now. That stalls the merger process--yet again. Delivery of the list starts the merger clock. Funny how Polar won that seniority list arbitration and they now don't like it.

See, you heard, but provide nothing in hard copy. You at Atlas keep proving my point, that you have no written PROOF ! Heard = Rumors

[layinlow]

Oh just cut the c#*p and get on with what thsi all started out as. Personally, as a furloughed Poloroid, I am finding some of these posts getting tiring. What Fell did, or did not do or in this case tried to do, has no bearing on Atlas signing a flawed CBA. Fell darn near lost his position and the rank and file was livid with his proposal, that did not go anywhere by the way. Admit it, you blinked, and it is water under the bridge now. Even the question of who scabbed, and who did not scab is mute. The problem we have, and will continue to have, is AAWH trying to circumvent the Polar CBA. That is the only subject now. Obviously the Polar MEC and the rank and file members have read the plans and have subsequently rejected Cato's ploy. How it affects the Atlas union is of no interest to me at this point. I do not want to see anyone lose their job and I do want to see the Quality of Life issue deteriorate for either unon. If I were an Atlas crew member I would hope that the Polar MEC win everyone of the grievances so we can get onto the process of merging the list and get down to serious and extremely tough negotiations on a new and much better CBA. And as for Atlas going the Teamsters route, I think you are making a fatal mistake and will rue the day that you did. I have a little birdie in the back of my head that says Bourne is pretty self serving in this and is getting a lot more out of the change than the Atlas membership. I could be wrong and if so will apologize. I ask you this, if the Teamsters are not all they're cracked up to be who is hurt the most, Bourne or the Atlas council? That is your decision not mine, so which ever way you go I hope it works out.
But getting back, a union, any union wants one overriding thing. That whatever contract is finally signed the company adheres to what they agreed to. Obviously AAWH is not following the Polar CBA. That is the bottom line and I am really disappointed that another union cannot see the merits of Polar's position. They may not like it, but forcing a company to stick to what they agreed to is paramount in my book. If the company had followed the scope clause this would have been all over by now, we would have been merged, and a new contract in place. But no, we have to fight with each other while Cato laughs..

[nitty-gritty]

One would have to ask "why wouldn't one blink" when another airline is waiting to grab your flying and then claim it under their scope clause at a later date. Pretty good plan by your group and describes what kind of trade unionists your are. At least Bob F. asked for permission to sc*b from council 072 during the last 20 minutes before strike release, letting us know his plans. In the end, Bob Fell got burned. Eventually he got fired for stealing from the company or should I say abusing sick leave. Kind of a shame it couldn't have been done when he was caught stealing from ALPA, but I believe Mr. Henderson covered him on that one. You know, when he was using his ALPA paid for cell phone number at $5K per month as his business contact for his charter business in the Homer AK Yellow Pages. One would hope that the Polar membership is not like this, but hey you all elected both of them.

Yes Cato laughs at us. He has found that he only has to dangle the right carrot in front of one group to generate their greed to affect both councils.

You suggest that Atlas crewmembers should hope Polar wins all of it's grievances. You forget to mention that it would be at the Atlas crewmembers expense of jobs/aircraft in your filed remedies let alone Polars negotiation positioning. Atlas crewmembers having had over 200 jobs given up to Polar in the past during our negotiations for management to make a point to Atlas crews doesn't seem to mean much to you. Then claim that flying forever and always under your scope.

Merging would stop this whipsawing combining the contracts. Many on one side just want it all and are doing just about everything they can to get it.

Moving to Teamsters will be pivotal and long overdue, pointing us towards true trade unionism. I and everyone at Atlas realizes why Polar is so abhorred by this. The Polar crewmember discussions on your own alpa web board just reinforces it. A number at Polar wants it all and all their way at everyone else's expense.

Despite having said this, I would like to thank the Atlas and Polar crewmembers that have seen things for what they are and sent in authorization cards for Teamsters. The authorization card can be downloaded at http://atlasforteamsters.com .

rob,

The list was supposed to be delivered last Thursday per Pres. Prater. Hasn't happened yet. Imagine that! Funny for a guy demanding proof while never providing any of your own. As to the other parts for proof, just use your search function. Multiple downloads can be found on just Pprune.

[BillyBob521]

Ya'll seem stuck on destruction. What Laid says makes sence, but it seems like this whole thread is based on what the MEC's say. Ya'll just need to look at what your MEC's batting average is with the Arbitraitors, because as I understand in the process they are the final word in any grievance. The Polar folks could lose, but the arbitraitors merged senority list is final, period. That means even if ya'll go to the teamsters some Polar folks could now displace the Atlas folks on the senority list. Wake up your being used!

[nitty-gritty]

Yes, the merged seniority list if final. No way around that. Whether we are ALPA or Teamsters. Funny how the Polar side doesn't like that award now. The Teamsters push has nothing to do with the seniority list arbitration. Even the web site say's so on a few of it's pages.

I'm guessing that the Polar MEC has other self serving reasons for holding this merger up let alone attacking the Teamsters effort. That is probably why the big effort on Polar's part here to bad mouth it.

You tell me.

[cptvac]

Originally posted 28 April:


This is about a favorable outcome for Bourne and his inner circle, as engineered by Cato to end Polar. Period.

Honorable representation of his crewmembers is not on Bournes list of To Do items. Look for the following:

1...HARD press for Teamster representation (w/ Cato support).

2...Move for Single Carrier (w/ Cato support).

3...Subsequent vote to pull Polar from ALPA (w/Cato support).

4...Bourne installed at Teamster National.

5...Caputo/Alves/Allen Atlas Teamster positions.

6...Continuous blame of ALPA and Polar for concessionary contract from all of the above (and WhaleFr8) rings suddenly hollow with Atlas membership-

AND THE REGRET AND DISAPPOINTMENT WILL CONTINUE...

At least Dave will still be eating in the same expensive DC restaurants on the membership dime.
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Add Fr8Dog and NITTY-GRITTY to WhaleFr8...
The list? It will be attacked and a staple job will be attempted.

[whaledriver101]

When will the Atlas pilot group vote(whether or not to go Teamsters)????

[Best Angle]

Nitty...
I will tell you.

This is what you guys are missing. Polar had no problem with a true merger. What Cato and company is doing is a CREW LEASING SCAM. This is all about erasing any union crewmembers from 121 certificates and making any scope protection null and void.

You don't need much imagination to see where AAWH is headed with this. After what Cato has already done and tried to do to Atlas Air, I would think you guys would see the light and be supporting Polar's MEC. We have no big dispute with the Atlas MEC in general, just that they are hypnotized to Cato's violin music.

[layinlow]

Nitty

I assume that with your earlier statement that you think it is ok for a company to violate its CBA. Sad.

[nitty-gritty]

You misstate that there has been a violation. You have only filed a grievance that is going to arbitration at present. Most selective in timing with the upcoming merger. Hmmm. Seems that the same reasoning over that grievance could have resulted in a earlier grievance but didn't. Both pilot groups have only had mixed positive results in arbitration. Good luck on that.

Best Angle,

Yes, Polar had no problem with the merger when it was thought to be all under Polar's certificate. Your group was down right giddy about it. That quickly changed when they decided to to with the two certificates one crew force that is done exactly the same way as Air Micronesia and Continental. One crew force two certificates.

101,

Atlas for Teamsters just put out a message addressing (at 5-21-08 http://atlasforteamsters.com under The Facts or the Audio ) some of the current time line for changing representation. It notes the plans of when the cards will be turned in which then prompts hard time lines for the election. That is outside of ALPA BTW. More than likely it will effect Polar also depending if single carrier status is sought by Atlas for Teamsters or ALPA. So I suggest those that want a change at Polar go ahead and send in your authorization cards downloadable at the above site. Here is a sample from the USAir and AWA single carrier status determination by the NMB Here in PDF (http://atlasforteamsters.com/docs/NMB-Single-Carrier-Decision.pdf).

vac,

I said it before, but won't bother to repost it since that is frowned upon here. You seem scared of this move to Teamsters. Is it because you will be losing something more self serving for the Polar leadership?

It is very unbecoming that everything that Polar deems not to their benefit is evil. Everyone that could have been considered your allies in the past have fallen to the wayside to be called "scabs" by you and your leadership, such as Atlas, ABX and Teamsters. I'm certain in time, your recent ally Astar will fall into that group as all the others when you see any kind of perceived threat to you developed. Probably when you start claiming their flying. We all fall into that ACMI sc*b b*st*rds list that you currently only preach in vain about of Atlas, ABX and Teamsters.

[layinlow]

Look nitty, I go out of my way trying to explain that the ONLY thing the Polar MEC is asking for is the honoring of the scope clause, nothing more, nothing less. Now, if AAWWH followed scope we would all be bretheren by now. But that is not in AAWWH's plans so let's just ignore it?
Have you read the Polar scope, if you ad you might appreciate Polar's position.
I wouldn't hold your breath on any Polar joining your Teamsters group as we are all behind our council 100%.

[742]

...the ONLY thing the Polar MEC is asking for is the honoring of the scope clause...


:mad: The Polar MEC has been throwing mud since the day Atlas bought Polar, and long before the issue of 2 certificates came up. This is my second merger, and the second time I have seen this play. It is all about power and the fact that at least one MEC is not going to keep theirs.

[layinlow]

The Polar MEC is not worried about his position. As long he is the MEC I expect one thing, that he keeps the company's feet to the fire and force them to honor the CBA. If it goes for or against me, makes no difference. As long as it is within the CBA dictates, that is ok for me. And that is exactly what the Polar MEC is doing.

[BELOWMINS]

Nitty
As I understand it, to decertify ALPA at Atlas 50%+1 of the Atlas crewmembers must submit authorization cards. These are checked by the NMB against the eligible crewmembers at ATLAS. Since Polar crewmembers are not on the Atlas eligible list they would not be eligible to have their votes counted. Why would they submit (even if they wanted to) an authorization card in this effort.

[400drvr]

Had to be expected, Alpa has become a retirement home for old bad lawyers. Atlas leaving, threatened their home!

I think losing four to five thousand dues paying pilots and USAirways might have triggered the full court press on keeping Atlas with ALPA. Had ALPA not lost USAirways I don't think ALPA would be in the panic mode that they are now. It's to bad that ALPA only acts when they feel those retirement homes are threatened.

Cheers

[cptvac]

Originally posted 28 April:


This is about a favorable outcome for Bourne and his inner circle, as engineered by Cato to end Polar. Period.

Honorable representation of his crewmembers is not on Bournes list of To Do items. Look for the following:

1...HARD press for Teamster representation (w/ Cato support).

2...Move for Single Carrier (w/ Cato support).

3...Subsequent vote to pull Polar from ALPA (w/Cato support).

4...Bourne installed at Teamster National.

5...Caputo/Alves/Allen Atlas Teamster positions.

6...Continuous blame of ALPA and Polar for concessionary contract from all of the above (and WhaleFr8) rings suddenly hollow with Atlas membership-

AND THE REGRET AND DISAPPOINTMENT WILL CONTINUE...

At least Dave will still be eating in the same expensive DC restaurants on the membership dime.
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Add Fr8Dog and NITTY-GRITTY to WhaleFr8...
The list? It will be attacked and a staple job will be attempted.
**************************************************

Nitty

You are right about two things...

1)I am scared of the Teamster move, because it is not about improving the lot of the Crewmemberss (see above) AND it has some very real downsides for all involved.

2) I, for one, was happy (giddy would be an overstatement) to merge under the Polar Certificate. And not because of the name on it. You see, the Polar Certificate has certain elements that are valuable for crewmembers to be attached to.

As one who has tried every which way to bring the protections we Polar pilots have to the Atlas pilots (because we all benefit by doing so), I find it interesting that you are (to use your own word) "giddy" at the prospect of the better Polar Certificate elements being lost as some sort of sick revenge. Guess you never considered trying to gain the same protection for your Crewmembers.




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[cptvac]

FYI

Polar is NOT Air Mic...and Atlas is not Continental. MOCT is the only thing the Polar/Atlas scheme has in common with Continental and the operation of Air Mic's certificate. This will go badly.

[BillyBob521]

Bingo Cptvac, management wins pilots lose! No matter which side your on everybody should see this. If one group helps management circumvent anothers contract, management wins. Anybody creating this mess should be kicked out of any AFL-CIO union. Time will tell, but even though these frieght carriers are small in the big scheme of things; they could have a big negative effect on the business.

[Best Angle]

Nitty -

It is not the same.
Continental does not LEASE crewmembers to Air Mic.

[nitty-gritty]

Good to see nothing has changed on one side of the equation. Looks like the full court press is on from the Polar MEC headquarters in Green Turtle Key and the Neg. Committee in AZ.

I will address one point by BELOWMINS. Polar crews may well have the opportunity. Look at my last post and think of it's ramifications. Read it and then think about it. Failing that, call ALPA National with what it might mean. I wouldn't bother with your MEC and Neg. Committee which are already posting what they want you to hear. Right Vac?


The Card in PDF (http://atlasforteamsters.com/docs/authorizationcard1.pdf)

http://atlasforteamsters.com/