Is Alan Joyce Leaving or Moving?

[packrat]

Rumour has it that a replacement is being sought for Alan Joyce.
If this is the case then he is either going to be the next QF CEO or he is leaving Jet* to seek other challenges.
Your thoughts folks..........

[Jabawocky]

Have not any idea....but if you were betting on it a move to Big Brother would make sense!

J

[DEFCON4]

God help Qantas if Allan Joyce becomes CEO ....he makes Scrotum Face look like a choir boy.
Worst thing about Joyce is his youth...if he became QF CEO he would be around for along time.
Either/Both Borghetti and Gregg would leave if this "mini me" takes the reigns.
Just when you think things cant get any worse a rumour like this surfaces.

[Gin Jockey]

"Tell your story walkin' pal"

[max autobrakes]

Why would they replace Dixon with Joyce?
Just more of the same 'ol, same 'ol from Joyce if he replaced Dixon.
The Dixon plan is dead!
No more WorkChoices!
No more AWA's!
Qantas' cost base to near that of JetStar!
A Federal Government no longer as beholdant to the big end of town!
A massive looming problem finding enough pilots!

How about a new CEO that actually engages staff and does something to grow the business!
Now there's a novel concept!:ooh:

[Mstr Caution]

Reminds me of when Eddington departed Ansett.

He saw the s%!t was going to hit the fan & didn't want to be holding the baby when it did.

MC:8

[packrat]

Dixon is retiring.
They need a replacement.......Borghetti,Gregg,Joyce....or...someone else.
Maybe a mate of the new chairman?
Dixon is 68...well and truly time to go.

[hoss]

great, the spirit of australia run by an irishman.

good luck:).

[blow.n.gasket]

As an (in)famous Irishman once said
"such is life":{

[Capt Wally]

yes 'bng' famous it was too, was also heard to be said...'I suppose it's come to this'......then enter yr statement!

I hear his bones have been found?



CW

[T28D]

As the man said after jumping out of the 20 story building as he passed the 10th floor,"so far so good!"

[Qantas 787]

Joyce isn't leaving - he will be the next QF CEO. If he were leaving, he would have taken the Aer Lingus job when it was offered to him. Personally I am a fan and hope he gets it. He knows all areas of the airline and is a smart operator. Working with JQ, he had to get costs down. With QF, he won't have to do that. His track record with JQ speaks for itself.

If one of the three is picked, what makes you think anything will be different? I think you will find they will all continue the plan set in place by Dixon.

I would prefer him to Gregg, who will just slash and burn everything. I like Borghetti and wouldn't mind if he gets the gig.

[mrpaxing]

that, what a limp hand shake. as the saying goes never trust a man (is he) who cant shake hands and dont look you in the eyes:E

[Private Part]

I like your style Pack Rat! Let us know when you publish your article in the press.

Unfortunately Little Al holds his cards very close to his chest. However there is no doubting his ambition.

He is a remarkable fellow and I would prefer him any day over Dixon. Dixon is a loathsome thing, rarely smiling unless he has once again screwed his staff, and his success(???) is more a product of fortuitous circumstances than good management.

As for the entire QF management, empowered by the previous government's industrial relations policies, they are what I term "Militant Management". In the 'old days' union leaders and their scrofulous members held the title of "Militant", but QF management have it by the sharp bits now! Not just by the way staff are treated, but by the entire spectrum of their deeds: To their shareholders, passengers & customers, and their staff. Shame!

They as a collective whole are intrinsically short-sighted and greedy! The "Spirit of Australia" - God help our nation!!!

My biggest problem with A.J. is his view of the Jetstar culture. There is lots to like about the way he conducts his business, however our customers are our guests, and it's not Aussie culture to treat your guests with disdain. For example messy cabins, and all too frequently a lack of catering and generally poor communication (read service)! I don't care if they 'keep coming back' because of cheap fares - I am sickened to the core and left entirely embarrassed by the way our guests are treated.

Lastly, as much as I like AJ, I fear for QF if he takes the sweet seat. AJ has succumbed to the above mentioned greed. I state this categorically as observed by his actions; namely accepting massive pay increases and bonuses, whilst ensuring other's are kept low (The LCC mantra). He assumes (and has stated) that he 'deserves' higher pay. A salary on par with his peers because of his.........job. AJ does what he does because that's his........job. He demonstrates his greed by not leading by example (research Air NZ management for comparison). He expects EVERYONE (at least close to everyone) to accept lower wages compared to their peers, but either fails, deludes himself, or just doesn't care that he is the exception. Perhaps lower pay is the way LCCs can succeed, but he has FAILED to lead by example and consequently will FAIL his employers - the QF shareholders.

If only the board would have a good hard look across the Tasman and see how a company can be turned around and transformed. Qantas, as it is now, is but mere shadow of what it could truly become if it had a truly great leader!

Good luck with your article Pack Rat! You may be part of the catalyst for change!!:ok:

Cheers

PP

[Pundit]

Gents,

the next QF CEO will be an external candidate. The headhunters are hard at work right now. Each EGM will be considered, however, both big Pete and tiny John have had their chances to shine and they both snuffed out.

As for AJ, well he just does what GD tells him. He does not have what is required; that is well known particularly in the credibility stakes with the big end of town. Many of the presenters on this site claim to be "in touch", well ask around. They will tell you.

Further, the media see him as a scruffy, limp hand-shaking little man lacking the presence that a top Australian company chief requires. Ask your media mates!

As for the Irish airline offer.....Do you really think it was offered to him, or did he receive a call from a head hunter seek an expression of interest. Reality gents. If he had been offered, he would have accepted. Its called ego, and this little man has lots of it!

[Private Part]

Good post Pundit. I agree. It will be interesting to see the outcome!

PP

[Mstr Caution]

Handing control to AJ will bring NO new vision to mainline, if anything he'll further promote his "own baby" to Qantas mainlines detriment.

If an airline can make record profits with a disengaged workforce one can only imagine what an new CEO with vision would produce.

MC:8

[max autobrakes]

Qantas 787Joyce isn't leaving - he will be the next QF CEO. If he were leaving, he would have taken the Aer Lingus job when it was offered to him


Taken the Aer Lingus job when it was offered ?
That was back when? 2005? just prior to all the hubbub about the APA deal with all it's corresponding riches to management!
No wonder he didn't take it then!
I wonder if he would now?:confused:

[mrpaxing]

he be interested at the moment. even if he stay at p**n* he will collect a tidy base/bonuses etc. going north of A$ 2 million this year. i dont think air lingus can match that.in addition there are additional goodies,like chairmans lounge, lots of FF points, car etc.:E

[blow.n.gasket]

I vote LEAVING !
Watch this space!:oh:

[Ace Wasabe]

Todays Fin Review has Joyce talking Qantas Facts and figures.A realm usually the preserve of Dixon,Borghetti or Gregg.
Is this the beginning of a transition from Jet* to Qantas ?

[flyer_18-737]

Whoever started this thread, WHATS YOUR SOURCE, anyway I would wonder who would take over Jetstar then???

Is it true that Alan Joyce earns 5mill a year??

[Taildragger67]

Timing might start to make sense:

- announce GD retirement (maybe at next AGM?), AJ succession and succession for new J* CEO
- certain others in group management get the sh!ts and walk
- replacements can be sought and integrated before the CEO hand-over
- all runs smoothly, rather than massive dislocation at the top
- GD walks having successfully brought in the Dugong (and maybe 787, depending on planned succession timing and delays in both deliveries and securing new management) - possibly around 70th birthday.

All then looks sweet and well-planned. Having more than a year between CEO announcement and departure is not unusual for a large company.

[jet.jackson]

Looks like Packrat was on to something

[nut turner]

Looks like Leigh Clifford has announced that Alan Joyce will be the next CEO when Dixon steps down at the AGM in November. Dixon may stay around as a consultant after this date to help out. Obviously he needs to pick up a few more dollars for his retirement.

[vortsa]

This article hidden in the Australian this morning, tells the truth. Obviously not front page news.

Mr Joyce becomes chief executive designate from today and will take over when Geoff Dixon steps down after the company's annual general meeting on November 28.

Qantas chairman Leigh Clifford said Mr Joyce was an outstanding executive with wide experience in all facets of the airline industry.

“Alan will also join the board of Qantas with immediate effect,” he said.

“Geoff and Alan will work together over the next four months to ensure a smooth transition and continuity.”

Mr Dixon will remain available to Qantas on a consulting basis until next March 31.

[Bad Hat Harry]

Looks like Joyce had the gig stitched up months ago.

[packrat]

Joyce was annointed in late March.
The difficulty has been finding a suitable candidate to replace him at JetStar.
Potential successors were thin on the ground.
Those who were considered suitable didnt want the job.
Now that a replacement has been found it can be revealed that Joyce would replace dixon.
After the media and the industry has digested this the new Jetstar CEO will be announced.
Be prepared to be further surprised .

[blow.n.gasket]

So who gets the jernsy at JetStar now?
Wouldn't be the chap who headed up Australian would it?

[Qantas 787]

It will be interesting to see who is charge at JQ. They don't really have a second in charge or any obvious candidate. Possibly an external candidate is likely.

[strobes_on]

There will be a few surprises when the name is announced shortly. It's been a very well kept secret.

[grumpy greyhound]

DOES that mean he has to resign from jet and start all over at qf like the rest of us?

[flog]

I think you'll find he already reports to the QF board in the Jetstar role and therefore no.

[D.P. Gumby]

I hope he now realises how much Qantas has spent on getting J* up and running and everything to do with J* has come at Qantas expense. I work in engineering and we do all their servicing with no recompense at all. Some money, "we have been told", has been paid, but engineering has not seen a cent. (Sounds a lot like Air New Zealand/Ansett demise)

Recently at a Managers meeting at which some Engineering personnel were in attendance. (discussion turned to Qantas Vs John Holland bid for A380 Engineering) We were asked if one of the new A380's which was being serviced by JH was in trouble, would we go to their aid as it was a Qantas aircraft. Well you could have heard a pin drop when they were told NO. That would be JH's problem and if this company wanted to give Qantas Engineering to JH then they would have to suffered the consequences.

Recently J* announced that they were not inviting Qantas Engineering to bid for the 787 contract as they were going to do all their servicing themselves. Where they are going to get enough experienced engineers with a new type license, to handle the 60 odd aircraft they're going to be getting, is beyond us.

I can't wait to see J* flounder out there with inexperienced LAME's and AME's. It should be fun to watch them try and operate on their own with out the support of Qantas Engineering.

Let's see if they win anymore Low Cost Airline awards when things turn to SH1T.

Best of Luck A.J. you have inherited an Engineering mess, which will need to be handled with a lot more diplomacy than your predecessor possessed.