AA137 LHR-LAX diverts to GLA

[AmarokGTI]

All,

Got wind online that AA137 has diverted to GLA due to a fire.

Awaiting more.

Any info from AA staff?

[adam.sh]

An American Airlines plane bound for Germany has made an emergency landing at Glasgow Airport after the pilot reported a fire on board.
The Boeing 777-200, travelling to Hamburg, landed safely at 1330 GMT.

It landed after a warning light suggested there was a fire in the hold. There was no fire and the light was found to be faulty.

It is understood there were about 200 people on board and all have disembarked from the flight.

An engineer is being flown up from London to fix the switch.

[VC10 Rib22]

Cargo extinguishers released and aircraft landed safely at EGPF (which was experiencing rather heavy snow showers), where it taxied off and was inspected by the Fire Crew. Do not have any details of what happened next but believe the Fire Crew have now been stood down to local standby.

Great job by the crew, ATC, Rescue 177, Fire Crew and the crew of all the other aircraft affected.

VC10 Rib22
:ok:

[Porrohman]

BAA Glasgow web site states:

AA137 from HEATHROW LANDED 1328

Subsequent arrivals/departures were;

BE7086 from BIRMINGHAM LANDED 1350
EZY6955 to BERLIN AIRBORNE 1352
EK025 from DUBAI LANDED 1354

So maybe the runway was unavailable for a short while?

[HHI OPS]

We had no 777 at Hamburg today, could you coinfirm your statement?

[beamender99]

American Airlines 777 Makes an Emergency Landing in Glasgow

By Peter Woodifield
March 3 (Bloomberg) -- An American Airlines Inc. Boeing 777 plane made an emergency landing at Glasgow Airport in Scotland today after a cockpit warning light indicated a fire.
Nobody was injured and there was no fire, Kevin Lang, a spokesman for airport operator BAA Ltd., said.
The aircraft, which was carrying 207 passengers, landed at 1:30 p.m. local time, he said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Peter Woodifield in Edinburgh at [email protected] ([email protected]) .

BBC now stating
An American Airlines plane bound for the US made an emergency landing at Glasgow Airport after the pilot reported a fire on board.
The Boeing 777-200, travelling to Los Angeles, landed at 1330 GMT. There were 207 passengers and crew on board

[follies end]

More bad news for the beleagured 777 :sad:

[nebpor]

It was actually flying from Heathrow to LAX when it was diverted to Glasgow - if it was flying to Hamburg that would have been a massive detour :}
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7275245.stm

I took off this morning from GLA (I'm just SLF) and the snow was pretty bad then and is far worse now - glad everything went well.

Luckily for the plane it wasn't actually on fire, otherwise our resident local BAA hero John Smeaton, who gave the set-alight terrorists a good smack when they drove their flaming jeep into the terminal, would have been sure to run up to the plane and restrain it until the Police arrived :E

[sitigeltfel]

Luckily for the plane it wasn't actually on fire, otherwise our resident local BAA hero John Smeaton, who gave the set-alight terrorists a good smack when they drove their flaming jeep into the terminal, would have been sure to run up to the plane and restrain it until the Police arrived :E

Very difficult considering he no longer works at GLA.

[Scott Diamond]

The snow here was terrible. Would have been interesting to watch a 772 making an emergency landing in the heavy snow that we saw. :8

[thepcman]

Just some short-lived snow.....what heavy snow at GLA? 2day? :zzz:

[Blink182]

Quote.....
More bad news for the beleagured 777 :sad:

FFS ........get a life :ugh:

[lee van chief]

It's just returned to stand again. Baggage being offloaded from rear cargo.:sad:

[BUD72]

Airborne at 22:53. Flight no AA107 for JFK.

[AmarokGTI]

BA107 is a LHR-JFK leg which today was cancelled, I assume as a result.

[PA38-Pilot]

More bad news for the beleagured 777 :sad:

Faulty light! We must ground all 777! (And let's ground every boeing aircraft while we are at it...)

[preduk]

I was wondering how you would explain that to the pax as you come into land at Glasgow...

Do you tell them you are landing due to an emergency? Do you just land and hope they think it's Germany (:P)

Whats the usual procedures for informing the passengers while flying?

[morbos]

Also, whilst alerting the pax presumably you are deciding:

1) Spend time dumping fuel
or
2) Land heavy & quick

[PA38-Pilot]

Also, whilst alerting the pax presumably you are deciding:

1) Spend time dumping fuel
or
2) Land heavy & quick

Fire light... and no way of knowing if it's for real or not... it's a no brainer: Land ASAP

[Hand Solo]

BA107 is a LHR-JFK leg which today was cancelled, I assume as a result.

Errr, BA 107 goes to Dubai, not JFK. And it wasn't cancelled.:confused:

[pasoundman]

PA38-Pilot
Fire light... and no way of knowing if it's for real or not...


Commenting as an electronics designer, it strikes me that a heck of a lot more use could be usefully made of modern low-power CCTV systems to monitor scenarios like this. Heck, the CCTV cameras could be integrated into any existing high speed data bus. There's loads of situations that come to mind where the crew can't see what's going on that could be easily fixed using CCTV.

[TowerDog]

Commenting as an electronics designer, it strikes me that a heck of a lot more use could be usefully made of modern low-power CCTV systems to monitor scenarios like this.

Agree 110%, wire up a few cameraes in the holds and perhaps other places on the craft and link it all to the cockpit.

In between flying jobs I took a job as a yacht captain: Running a 70 foot twin-engine Taiwan built yacht that had those built in: Cameras in the engine room, on the stern looking aft, galley and other places. All controlled by push-buttons at the fly bridge. If that comes standard on a $ 2.0 mill tub, it should indeed come on a $200 mill aeroplane. The cost would be peanuts, but the savings huge.

Question...Does the A-380 have such CCTV systems as standard equipment?

[bill_s]

CCTV cameras are available, along with a whole other raft of electronics, that simply plug into an Ethernet (wired) or wireless IP bus. We (NASA) use these in Antarctica to monitor our equipment racks. We can even turn on the lights.
All you need on the other end is a common laptop.

Dirt simple.

[Blues&twos]

Often wondered about this myself. As a controls engineer we use lots of different bus technology to do monitoring, and even without CCTV there's a hell of a lot of diagnostic info you can get from 'intelligent' instruments and sensors. Maybe there is some rationale for not using it, but it does seem strange on a/c which are otherwise pretty sophisticated.

[Blink182]

CCTV >>>>>Not much of a view of the Cargo Compartments when they are all full of containers (There is very little space at the sides and ceiling )............ agree that they would be usefull if using pallets which were not too high.

Like everything else they would get a battering from the loaders..........so do you add them to the MEL as a Go/No-go ??

[NigelOnDraft]

Adding CCTV cameras on the holds is, errr, yet another potential source of fire as well ;) [We have had some of the CCTV screens for door monitoring produce smoke etc.]

NoD

[grundyhead]

CCTV would be a very useful aid in these situations but nothing can beat the mark one eyeball!!!

[LME (GOD)]

Aft cargo fire warning due to 4kg of dry ice. Lots of fire bottles and valves being changed!:ugh:

[Yanchik]

Do they become a go/no-go item ? What, therefore, is the reliability target that needs to be met by the complete system ?

Does the pilot think they take precedence over the fire warning light ? Should he ?

So when the light comes on, but no fire seen on the screen, what should he assume and do ? By contrast, what WILL he assume and do ? How, therefore, do we alter training and SOPs ?

How can we show they won't adversely affect the existing systems ?

Once it's in there, what clever abuses will it be put to that we hadn't thought of or can't prevent ?

- - + - -

This is (approximately) how System Safety Engineers approach such a problem. You aircrew chaps get enough whistles and bells thrown at you that engineers are pretty shy of putting any more in, and bean-counters are shy of paying for the consequences and risks.

It's not that they don't trust your finely-trained judgements to cope with more, it's that they spend their days making best efforts to give you something that you can more or less, mostly, rely on, if you use it they way they expected when they did the analysis.

It's not a pretty sight to watch. I'm happier out of it.

Y

[AmarokGTI]

Meant to write "AA107 goes... " not BA107.

Typo.

[DocJacko]

Just to clarify:

American Airlines' only service to Germany goes to Frankfurt. There are daily flights to FRA from ORD (767) and DFW (777).
Hamburg is not on their list.
There are no AA flights from LAX to Germany.