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misd-agin
2nd Feb 2008, 16:06
www.chicagotribune.com/travel/chi-sat_pilots_0202feb02,0,4631217.story
chicagotribune.com
Retiring pilots put American in a bind
By Julie Johnsson
Tribune reporter
February 2, 2008
American Airlines is canceling flights and placing management pilots in its cockpits as it grapples with an onslaught of early pilot retirements that has left it short-handed for February.

On Friday, 143 pilots retired from American, the nation's largest airline. That's one of the largest pilot groups to depart en masse in airline history, amounting to about half the total number of American pilots who typically retire in a given year, according to the carrier's pilots union.

The majority of those cashing out are Boeing 767 and 777 captains at the top of the airline's pay scale, including 16 such pilots based at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport.

Their abrupt departure is creating a manpower crunch on some of American's most lucrative overseas routes. The airline has canceled 28 flights for February, including trips from Chicago to London and Beijing, because of staffing shortfalls.

American is the third major airline to grapple with pilot shortages over the past year as U.S. carriers stretch staffing in a bid to lower costs. United Airlines was forced to cancel flights as storms depleted its pilot reserves in December, and Northwest Airlines struggled to man its planes during peak travel periods last summer.

"All the slack gets cut out of the system in a restructuring, so there's very limited ability to respond to anomalies," said aviation consultant Robert Mann, president of R.W. Mann & Co.

Many American pilots retired early to take advantage of a contracting quirk that enabled them to turn back the clock as they collected their retirement payout. If they left by Feb. 1, that lump-sum payment would be based on an investment fund's value on Oct. 31. The pilots fund has shed nearly 20 percent of its value since that date, and with the economy slowing it isn't likely to rebound soon.

Pilots at the end of a 30-year career at American who left Friday stood to gain about $300,000, according to the Allied Pilots Association, American's pilots union.

The decision to retire was a no-brainer for Mark Epperson, a Boeing 767 captain and 30-year American veteran, since the investment gain far exceeded the salary he would have earned by staying on the job.

"We're talking about work free for a year and a half," said Epperson, 59, who retired months earlier than he had planned. "It just doesn't make sense, with all the risk in the industry, to not take that [gain]."

To cope with its mass exodus, American has urged pilots not to take vacations this month and is offering perks to those who volunteer for extra flying.

The carrier also has called in about 250 pilots who hold management posts, such as helping train pilots or flying jets to and from its maintenance base in Tulsa.

The Allied Pilots Association, which is embroiled in contract negotiations with company management, says those maneuvers prove American needs to speed its rehiring of the 2,107 pilots who remain furloughed and haven't been offered an opportunity to rejoin the airline.

"If you send management pilots back to the line, that's an indication that you don't have enough line pilots," said Gregg Overman, the union's communications director.

American spokeswoman Susan Gordon notes that the carrier has recalled about 660 pilots over the past year. But planning its manpower for the month ahead has been difficult, she said, because pilots who are retiring aren't required to notify the company in advance.

"If someone doesn't show up Feb. 1 for their flight to Beijing, that's their first clue that you're retired," said David Aldrich, an Airbus A300 captain for American.

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Just an Engineer
2nd Feb 2008, 16:24
American spokeswoman Susan Gordon notes that the carrier has recalled about 660 pilots over the past year. But planning its manpower for the month ahead has been difficult, she said, because pilots who are retiring aren't required to notify the company in advance.

"If someone doesn't show up Feb. 1 for their flight to Beijing, that's their first clue that you're retired," said David Aldrich, an Airbus A300 captain for American.

Ohh come on, can anybody actually believe these statements...

For any company let alone an airline is there not procedures and formalities to go through before you can hang up your wings. :confused: :confused:

misd-agin
2nd Feb 2008, 16:29
You can retire at anytime.

Advanced notice has some benefits as the article mentions -

Many American pilots retired early to take advantage of a contracting quirk that enabled them to turn back the clock as they collected their retirement payout.

The advance notice doesn't apply post 60 so they've created a situation where they won't be able to figure out when a 60+ pilot will retire.

There is no legal obligation to notify the company when you plan on retiring.

Just an Engineer
2nd Feb 2008, 16:49
You can retire at anytime.

Advanced notice has some benefits as the article mentions -

Many American pilots retired early to take advantage of a contracting quirk that enabled them to turn back the clock as they collected their retirement payout.

The advance notice doesn't apply post 60 so they've created a situation where they won't be able to figure out when a 60+ pilot will retire.

There is no legal obligation to notify the company when you plan on retiring.

If its true I find it pretty incredulous that an airline can lose such 'key' people with no prior notification except when they don't check in to their flight to Bejing (Employment contracts ?)

Do the so called pilots not even have the self responsibilty and good manners to notify the airline just for the sake of the passengers who have effectively paid their wages over the past 30 years :ugh: :ugh:

kwachon
2nd Feb 2008, 17:18
But what happens when the airline lays you off with no notice....two way street!! :}

Just an Engineer
2nd Feb 2008, 18:19
But what happens when the airline lays you off with no notice....two way street!!


Thats an argument between you and the airline.....

What about the unsuspecting pax in the middle of your so called two way street.....I mean common it doesn't take much to give them say a weeks notice of intention then at least they can cancel/make other arrangements with flights :ugh:

kwachon
2nd Feb 2008, 18:24
Thats why we have pilots on reserve, no airline will turn away revenue just because a pilot says he is retiring.

misd-agin
2nd Feb 2008, 18:55
kwachon - that's true assuming you have enough pilots on reserve.

10% of the 777 CA's retired. That's 40% of the typical reserve coverage. Manning could be tight.

Beginning of the month, and the end of the month, are traditionally the difficult manning periods.

MarkerInbound
2nd Feb 2008, 20:57
AA management certainly knew the importance of the Feb 1 date. While they didn't know the number, they should have seen that it would be much more than normal. Their management is the original (at least in the US) beancounters instead of aviation people.

PositiveRate876
2nd Feb 2008, 21:10
Quote:
But what happens when the airline lays you off with no notice....two way street!!
Thats an argument between you and the airline.....

What about the unsuspecting pax in the middle of your so called two way street.....I mean common it doesn't take much to give them say a weeks notice of intention then at least they can cancel/make other arrangements with flights :ugh:

What if I don't feel good and call sick the night before?

It's the airline's responsibilty to staff the airline adequately to deal with these situations. If short-staffing is the airline's business model, then that's what they get.

Pax need to blame the airline for that.

Huck
2nd Feb 2008, 22:36
What about the unsuspecting pax in the middle of your so called two way street....


We all got the unregulated, free market, cut-throat airline mentality that we wanted.

These pilots have seen their paychecks in real dollars decline 50% in 15 years. All the while the salaries of their top bosses were multiplying geometrically.

Can't fly on American? Get on travelocity and find somebody else. Loyalty's for suckers in this brave new world. And trust me on this, the pilots didn't choose it to be this way.

fleigle
2nd Feb 2008, 22:48
Good for them, they have been getting screwed for years by management, good Crew relations disappeared years ago. They took an opportunity and got out.

Ignition Override
3rd Feb 2008, 00:33
Huck accurately described in a nutshell what the situation is at another major US airline-based FAR from Texas.

Other than one or two present/former US airline CEOs who have some experience flying multi-engine airplanes, the rest of them are simply number-crunchers with no interest in aviation. Number/data-crunching require no people skills.

Therefore, leadership is usually quite absent.
Their (often) totally callous/arrogant attitudes towards their staff have reaped this harvest. If you think this is bad, just talk to pilots who have flown RJs for two (or more) or the smaller airlines for a few years. They are unable to ever hire enough pilots. They are always far behind.
Hundreds leave for jobs at better companies which often pay about the same.

Wingswinger
3rd Feb 2008, 07:02
Chicken - roost - home. Serves AA right.

Dani
3rd Feb 2008, 20:06
I'm pretty sure that those number crunchers are ready to spend an extra cent or two for the guys not showing up the next morning if it threatens to cancel the flight. This fight is not about flying or not, its about money. Those guys retire and then just fly for AA during their spare time...

MarkerInbound
3rd Feb 2008, 21:35
American doesn't have any part-time pilots.

Intruder
3rd Feb 2008, 21:36
Many American pilots retired early to take advantage of a contracting quirk that enabled them to turn back the clock as they collected their retirement payout.

The advance notice doesn't apply post 60 so they've created a situation where they won't be able to figure out when a 60+ pilot will retire.

What the article doesn't say is that those pilots did indeed give notice on that Oct 31 date! The "quirk" allows them to withdraw their notice at the end of 3 months if they change their mind. Apparently they did NOT change their mind!

Management had adequate notice. It IS their fault if they have to cancel flights!

RevMan2
4th Feb 2008, 07:31
Has AA never heard of contingency management?

Or risk management?

Or succession management?

These are key tools in a (good) manager's toolbox.

Actually, I think I've just answered my own question...

Tim_CPL
4th Feb 2008, 09:07
I would presume that they are employed under Texas Laws, so they are in an "at will" state. There is no obligation on either side in terms of contacts of employment, the retirement bit is the exit vehicle and the current state of the stock market precipitated it. As others have said, AA could easily have fired them with no notice, so it is a two way street....

- Tim

Unwell_Raptor
4th Feb 2008, 09:51
It's not just airlines. A few years ago a flood of experienced head teachers retired at once because of a quirk in the pension rules. The government was caught flat-footed, because they hadn't thought it through properly.

411A
4th Feb 2008, 11:10
10% of the 777 CA's retired.

I suspect they won't be missed, especially by the more junior Captains and First Officers....:E

Just an Engineer
4th Feb 2008, 11:31
I would presume that they are employed under Texas Laws, so they are in an "at will" state. There is no obligation on either side in terms of contacts of employment

:eek:

What is the point of a contract if you can not uphold it when in a dispute ?

In other words why have one at all....:confused::confused:

DoNotFeed
4th Feb 2008, 11:51
You are right all over the world the most senior guys are the opposite of handsome.
But youngsters can be nasty too beside their missing things.

The essential point is there are plenty of nuts in management at the right torque.

And who is screwed?

The guys out to rescue all the benefits (of course for the mangers).

:}:}

Intruder
4th Feb 2008, 14:17
I would presume that they are employed under Texas Laws, so they are in an "at will" state. There is no obligation on either side in terms of contacts of employment,
That may be true for an industry/shop where no contract is in place, but not for a Part 121 airline. The RLA and associated federal law override, and the union contract is enforceable.

Sometimes it is "too" enforceable -- hence the $40 million judgement against the APA several years ago for their "sick-out"...

KC135777
4th Feb 2008, 14:44
Yes, AA had plenty of notice...these pilots had been locked in to the Oct unit value for MONTHS. With the downturn of the stock market (and unit value), the writing was on the wall. To "unlock" and continue working, they ONLY had to notify their chief pilot's office on the last day of January.

The Aldrich quote was a little out of context. Sure, anybody can quit/retire any day of any month...but that is NOT realistic, and is not what happened last week.

In a rising market/unit value scenario, pilots can "re"lock into the new higher month's value, every month.

In the past, some have inadvertently "retired" themselves, by forgetting to properly notify their flight office w/i the 3 month deadline.

KC

timbob
4th Feb 2008, 18:41
AA pilots saw what management scum did at most of U.S. majors by dancing into bancruptcy and dumping their pensions on the U.S. Govt. with the help of some clueless federal bancruptcy judge. The PBGC (federal entity that administers failed pensions) then recalculates retirements based on all manner of lookbacks and disclaimers, and then throws on additional penalties for not having retired at age 65. The maximum pension for an age 60 at United is $28,xxx per year (forever) and the maximum for age 65 is $44,xxx (forever). The $billions (with a B) that were in the pension fund disappear into the federal trough....nice trick, huh? Retiree medical under age 65 (medicare eligible) is $6,000 per year for a family of four, plus minimums, plus copays. It becomes readily apparent that once one's function as a provider of tax-revenue ends, one is expected to have the good manners to disappear. I am sure that many AA pilots realize that, like the rest of the U.S. airline industry, they are on the path to becoming the equivalent of contract employees....that being the case, they might as well take the money and become one. I would.

100BMEP
4th Feb 2008, 22:22
And...I am one of them :)

timbob
4th Feb 2008, 23:47
What???? No 115/145 (purple), No 100/130 (green) just 100LL? Watch those plugs and keep CHT at 205. If you're 777. Air India is looking, but watch your six. :D

AA717driver
5th Feb 2008, 00:14
timbob--100BMEP could take the job in Kazakhstan that 'the Rat' passed up. ;) TC

timbob
5th Feb 2008, 01:38
AA717: The opportunity to log quality NVG-time should never be missed. Timbob.

100BMEP
5th Feb 2008, 18:57
Don't forget the dreaded "double shorted primary"!
The "Rat" and Kahzakatan sound like someone and somewhere frin a previous life.
I've wondered where "corrosion corner" moved.....perhaps it is now
in Kahzakastan.:rolleyes:

KC135777
5th Feb 2008, 19:28
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Just an Engineer
6th Feb 2008, 15:35
Yes, AA had plenty of notice...these pilots had been locked in to the Oct unit value for MONTHS. With the downturn of the stock market (and unit value), the writing was on the wall. To "unlock" and continue working, they ONLY had to notify their chief pilot's office on the last day of January.

The Aldrich quote was a little out of context. Sure, anybody can quit/retire any day of any month...but that is NOT realistic, and is not what happened last week.


Well that seems at least a bit closer to the truth...

plugster
6th Feb 2008, 22:20
So to point out for the non native speakers like me: The management knew about their retirement long before Feb 1st?

misd-agin
7th Feb 2008, 02:18
Mgt was asking pilots in Jan. if they planned on retiring early. Some replied, some didn't.

With the stock market dropping mgt knew they'd have increased retirements, they just didn't know how many.

The possiblity still exists for greater than normal retirements for Feb and March, but probably not the large number that occured on Jan 31st.

KC135777
8th Feb 2008, 02:31
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1687753861837107342&q=Allied+Pilots+Association&total=4&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1