Hellas Jet operates with 3 cabin crew

[luton]

An HELLAS JET AIRCRAFT OPERATING FOR OLYMPIC AIRWAYS DEPARTS WITH 3 CABIN CREW AGAINST REGULATIONS. PIC IS THE COMPANY CHIEF PILOT.ANYONE WITH MORE INFO ABOUT THAT?:D

[Penworth]

What aircraft type was it and what was its seating configuration?

[luton]

guys the Hellas Jet airplane has 168 seats so its against company and JAR regulations

[AltFlaps]

No its not !
There are clear regulations that allow the number of cabin crew to be reduced by one (only) to get back to a cabin crew base. They would have had to reduce the number of used seats by an amount (type specific)

[luton]

I agree with you altflaps but this flight was out of athens which is their base.

[airseb]

out of base or not doesn't change anything:

minimum cc is one per door (real door not escape door) and one per 50 pax.

homebase or not


seb

[Airbourne-Adamski]

As far as Iam aware you can operate below minimum crew only as long as pax numbers do not excede 1 crew member per 50 pax.

So if Hellas aircraft can seat 168 and went with 3 crew they could only have carried a maximum of 150

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Where do you get that figure of one per door airseb?
So on a B757 or A321 with 6 doors plus 2 emergency that makes it 6 cabin crew.
Hell l better tell my company we are in the Sh**.
I have always been told its 1 cabin crew member per 50 seats, hence the orange airline has 3 on B737s and 4 on A319s.
Please tell me if l have my facts wrong.:=

[airseb]

sorry my fault it's one per door pair (and still talking about real doors, not emergency). so it's two cc minimum for A320 or 737.

seb

[luvly jubbly]

IEM OPS 1.990. Number and Composition of Cabin Crew. See JAR-OPS 1.990.

1. The Authority may require an increased number of cabin crew members in excess of the requirements of JAR-OPS 1.990 on certain types of aeroplane or operations. Factors which should be taken into account include:
a. The number of exits;
b. The type of exits and their associated slides;
c. The location of exits in relation to cabin crew seats and the cabin layout;
d. The location of cabin crew seats taking into account cabin crew duties in an emergency evacuation including:
i. Opening floor level exits and initiating stair or slide deployment;
ii. Assisting passengers to pass through exits; and
iii. Directing passengers away from inoperative exits, crowd control and passenger flow management;
e. Actions required to be performed by cabin crew in ditchings, including the deployment of slide-rafts and the launching of life-rafts.


2. When the number of cabin crew is reduced below the minimum required by JAR - OPS 1.990, for example in the event of incapacitation or non-availability of cabin crew, the procedures to be specified in the Operations Manual should result in consideration being given to at least the following:
a. Reduction of passenger numbers;
b. Re-seating of passengers with due regard to exits and other applicable aeroplane limitations; and
c. Relocation of cabin crew and any change of procedures.

[Dysag]

JAR-OPS 1.990 Subpart O says that in unforseen circumstances the minimum number of cabin crew may be reduced as long as the number of pax has also been reduced.

[Admiral346]

Airseb is perfectly right:

One per 50 pax
One per exit pair (excluding emergency exit windows)

So mnm for A320/B737 with not more than 100 pax is 2

Nic

[Mr @ Spotty M]

We had this discussion years back when Easyjet brought the A319, with the extra seating.
The B737 operates with minimum 3 cabin crew due 149 pax seats, A319 operates with minimum 4 cabin crew due 156 seats.
Discussion was only 7 more pax for one extra crew member, told that no problem you can still operate with 3 crew member by keeping loads below 151.
This was a no no because it is seats fitted not bums on seats that counts, only relaying which was posted a few years back.