Female ex-PPL hoping to get back in the skies [Archive]

Albinoni

22nd Jan 2008, 11:20

Lapsed lady PPL, early fifties, would love to find flying-friend(s) at Biggin Hill. I was very proud to get my licence in 1997 but it became increasingly difficult to find regular flying partners and I eventually stopped flying all together. I don't necessarily want to re-validate my licence, but I am keen to get back into the skies if only just for the sheer fun of it! Please contact me if you're an experienced pilot who would appreciate the company of a female ex-PPL.

D SQDRN 97th IOTC

22nd Jan 2008, 15:45

are you only recently lapsed?
would you be interested in sharing costs of the occasional trip?
is it just weekends you want to fly, or weekdays too?

micromalc

23rd Jan 2008, 14:41

Try popping into the Tiger Club at Headcorn Kent. They are a friendly bunch.

Pitts2112

23rd Jan 2008, 16:54

No such thing as an "ex-PPL". Your currency may have lapsed, but you still have your license and would only have to revalidate if you chose to reinstate your flying status. Any instructor should be able to give you the gen on what you'd need to do if you wanted to go that route.

Welcome back and have fun!!

Noggin

24th Jan 2008, 07:49

Middle aged mature gentleman with aeroplane would like to meet similar lady with hangar.

Applications with photograph please.

PS: (of Hangar)

Hebridean Jocky

24th Jan 2008, 14:06

Roger 10-4,
Your post is neither funny no witty.
In fact I think it is offensive.
If you can't offer anything constructive then please go back to your flight sim.

HJ

ShyTorque

24th Jan 2008, 16:49

Female ex-PPL seeks experienced husband! Early 50 hours. Not had it since 1997. Anything welcome!

"Roger", eh? Unusual name for a desperate housewife. Or are you a bloke just "curious" and wanting a "husband", if you know what I mean.

Is your case: "I'm a lady"......... :8

Flyin'Dutch'

25th Jan 2008, 11:12

What has gender to do with finding flying mates?

Viola

26th Jan 2008, 20:38

I note that Albinoni hasn't posted again - I'm not surprised.

A simple request for finding someone to fly with, so she can start flying again, and some of you assume she's man hunting!! (An arrogant attitude to say the least.)

It's perfectly reasonable for her to state she's female - she' just saying 'who' she is. If I wished to make a similar post I'd also state I'm female (and I'm very happily married).

Next time we have a thread about 'why don't more women fly', perhaps I should post a link to this thread?

Just treat her like another pilot for goodness sake!:ugh:

ShyTorque

26th Jan 2008, 21:30

Hear, hear!

I hope the thread starter, Albinoni, receives some positive help by P.M.

Jetscream 32

26th Jan 2008, 21:45

Viola,

I'm female (and I'm very happily married).

That almost sounds like a reason to try and make you wander...!! :cool:

Come fly with me, come fly, lets fly away..... - in my best Frank Sinatra voice..... my word this Warsteiner beer is good tonight.....:}

Viola

26th Jan 2008, 22:10

I've been lucky in the men I meet when flying. 99 out of 100 treat me as 'just another pilot'.

Now and again you meet some big-headed twit who thinks you are there for his benefit.

It's really IRRITATING. (Yes, I'm shouting - it's intentional.)

Whirlygig

27th Jan 2008, 00:16

Different viewpoints; if I was asking for a flying companion I wouldn't mention my gender anymore than I would mention my race, sexual orientation or profession because I'm just a pilot.

Cheers

Whirls

Flyin'Dutch'

27th Jan 2008, 06:17

Exactly.........

Jetscream 32

27th Jan 2008, 08:08

mine was very tongue in cheek - more totty pilots thats what i say..... brightens the place up a bit......hoorah!

Whirlybird

27th Jan 2008, 08:54

Would I mention my gender, age etc in such a situation? Acceptable PC-ness (is there such a word) says 'No'. Experience, sadly, says yes. While I was a low hours PPL, I found that I preferred flying with other women, because the men tended to try to take over, or at least try to prove that they knew more than me...shared flying, or shared anything, seemed to be something they found hard. And the sexual innuendo etc was always there, or assumed by others, which doesn't help if you're a nervous and/or out of practice pilot who just wants to fly. As for age, I encountered ageism rather similarly, usually young men trying to lord it over me because they'd decided in advance I was an old fart who couldn't know anything.

Now, so that I can come out from behind the parapet, let me emphasise a couple of things. It's NOT universal. And it happens far less with experienced pilots, who've grown up, in that sense. And once you go commercial, it seems to vanish almost completely. And since I became an instructor of course...well, I guess no-one would dare! :)

I'm not trying to knock anyone, and I daresay my experience isn't universal. However, I do know, from talking to other women in aviation, that it's quite common. And yes, before anyone says it, maybe if we had thicker skins, behaved differently, gave as good as we got, etc etc, it wouldn't happen or wouldn't matter. But most low hours pilots have enough to concentrate on with the flying, without all that stuff.

So, seriously, if I was in Albinoni's position I'd come right out and say that I'd rather fly with a slightly older female pilot. Because it would be the case. Possibly unfortunate, but true.

Now why don't you leave her alone to find someone to fly with. :ok:

FullyFlapped

27th Jan 2008, 09:06

You're probably right, Whirly, but it's a bit harsh to condemn an entire gender group just because of the comments of a couple of Adrian Moles above ....

Some of us do grow up eventually, honest .... ;)

Jetscream 32

27th Jan 2008, 09:18

most of the totty pilots i have ever worked or flown with were equally as competant as any bloke driver, its all down to personality - if the instructor or person that sits next to you has a good personality and knows his job, it wouldnt matter if you had two heads the instruction and delivery of the lesson should be the same.

Having been in the wonderful position to have instructed all ages from 12 - 100 and all races and capabilities over a 20 year period, i am of the very personal opinion that some are born to instruct and will never give it up, and some are using it as a stepping stone to the wilder world of aviation, in which case you may have a slightly different take on how you view students.

I do firmly believe that the old PPL FI which is being mooted about as coming back would be a very positive thing - career instructors that do it for the love of flying and teaching and learning themselves, meeting new people and caring about the value and name of the company they work for.

The day that 4 new PPL FI's decide to set up their own school with new aircraft, nice facilities and gain a good repution is the day i look forward to...

Hopefully they will know how to teach sideslipping, roundout, and grass strip techniques as well as safe HPA procedures etc.... far, far more than is required in the syllabus but what makes a good school great....

Blue skies - time to get airborne ----- yeee haaaa! summers coming!!! :D

dublinpilot

27th Jan 2008, 09:31

I think it's a bit harsh to critise Albinoni for mentioning her gender.

She isn't looking for a pilot to fly her around. She's looking for a flying friend.

Say what you like about political correctness, but people tend to form friendships better with those that they have most in common with, and by and large, people tend to form friendships with those of their own sex. Therefore that information seems important.

I think political correctness is gone too far when someone can't volunteer information about their sex.

dp

Viola

27th Jan 2008, 09:35

'totty pilots'???? 'equally as competant as any bloke driver'???? (Why mention it, we've been discussing attitudes not competance)

That's a patronising attitude, Jetscream.

I've never, ever had a bad instructor - whether hours building, career instructor, airline pilot. As it happens the instructors were men. They treated me as a sensible person who just wanted to learn to fly.

Most men I meet in flying treat me as a person who flies. That's all I ask.

Albinoni just wants someone to fly with. There aren't many women PPLs around and as Whirly says, as she's inexperienced she perhaps prefers to fly with a woman.

One flying school I knew tried to ensure the women students met up - perhaps so they could find 'flying buddies'. After the innuendo from some posters I can understand why! I've never thought twice about flying with 'sensible' men, but I can see that some grubby minded people will have thought the worst.

Whirlygig

27th Jan 2008, 10:01

Most men I meet in flying treat me as a person who flies. That's all I ask.
Why do you feel you need to ask it? Some people are pillocks, some people are arrogant, some people are patronizing. It has nothing to do with the sex of the person whom they are addressing so I don't think that's relevant either - they're probably like that all the time!!!

Everyone (male or female, gay or straight, black, white, Irish, Methodist, lawyers, etc) I have met in aviation has treated me with respect and equality. Everyone. Of course, I'm not including someone who responds to a post on Pprune as "met".

DP, I don't see this as a matter of Political Correctness; gee, I'm one of the most un PC people going but a matter of relevance. It just wouldn't occur to me to mention it - some people may work it out from the way I write and what I write about. I do get addressed as a "bloke" on Pprune. Doesn't bother me in the slightest; water off a duck's back.

As for the original poster; I most certainly didn't interpret her post as meaning she was after male companionship (neither did I interpret it to mean she specifically wanted female companionship either!) but as demonstrating an insecurity, possibly lacking in confidence and therefore trying to use her sex as an explanation for how she felt. To me, that shows stereotyping as well.

Trouble is, not all women think in the same way; for example, much as Whirly and I are good friends , we each have quite different views about women in aviation which both stem from out personal experiences and outlook.

Some women would mention that they are female; others wouldn't. That's the trouble with individuals :rolleyes: We don't know whether the OP has inundated with PMs, has gone off in a sulk or is killing herself laughing at some of the reactions.

Cheers

Whirls

Whirlybird

27th Jan 2008, 10:28

One flying school I knew tried to ensure the women students met up - perhaps so they could find 'flying buddies'. After the innuendo from some posters I can understand why! I've never thought twice about flying with 'sensible' men, but I can see that some grubby minded people will have thought the worst.

Viola,

It's not even things like that. Flying with members of the opposite sex who you're not 'involved' with can sometimes make things so complicated. Let me tell you a couple of things which happened to me....

Way back, as a very new PPL, I used to fly regularly with Mike, who got his licence about the same time as I got mine. For the same money we could fly twice as far with half the work and twice the fun - great idea. :ok: One day we flew from Welshpool to Blackpool, assuming the '30PROB' of thunderstorms wouldn't happen. It did...in spades! A line of thunderstorms from Liverpool to Leeds that stranded everyone, grounded airliners, and left Blackpool awash and full of people on their mobile phones sorting out their lives. A night in Blackpool. No big deal, you say. Except that a twin room was all that was available and Mike was horribly embarrassed at telling me - I didn't care, been there, done that. Except that he was married, and had told his mates at work who he was flying with that day and when he said he couldn't come in he was horribly teased. And I was sworn to secrecy if I ever met his wife!!! All no big deal in the real sense...but if you fly with a member of the same gender it doesn't happen!

Move on a few months, and I'm flying to Cornwall for the total eclipse, with Chris (male). A camping trip, with another married man -wife didn't want to go and didn't mind. Naturally he assumed we'd take two tents...but aircraft weight and balance figures didn't agree! OK, I said, I promise not to attack you, now get rid of one tent! Again, no big deal - it was nearly the 21st century after all. But if Chris had been female it wouldn't have come up.

So these days, if I'm looking for a flying buddy and not a relationship, I tend to fly with other women. :ok: And my good friend Whirlygig would probably say, "But it wasn't important, was it?" and she'd be quite right. I just find flying complicated enough that I prefer not to add to the complications, that's all.

However, if any bloke wants a flying companion to go with them to Australia or anywhere else really exciting, please ignore all of the above. ;)

BEagle

27th Jan 2008, 10:42

I do hope that Albinoni hasn't been too upset by the smutty kids who posted earlier and will soon get her PPL renewed. If she's reading this, then all she will need to do is:

NO exams
Whatever refresher training she and her instructors recommend.
Pass the SEP Class Rating renewal Licensing Skill Test (NOT the full PPL Skill Test)
Pay the CAA half a king's ransom!Apart from one obviously predatory husband-hunter who would render the clubroom IMC in 100proof perfume fumes every time she came to fly (it must have cost her a fortune), all the ladies with whom I've ever flown have been a pleasure to work with. No 'know-it-all's and a genuine enthusiasm to do as well as they could!

dublinpilot

27th Jan 2008, 11:45

If I had posted that I was a 34 year old man, based in Dublin, and looking for some flying friends, would anyone have thought that I'd given too much information away?

:confused:

Give her a break ;)

Whirlygig

27th Jan 2008, 11:50

dp, depends on whether you want it to sound as if you should have placed a small ad in the personals!!!! :}

GSOH required???

Cheers

Whirls

Viola

27th Jan 2008, 13:44

Well, my experience has been somewhere between the two.

Most men have treated me just as another pilot - and that's all I ask.

Why do I feel the need to ask? Because as I said before:-
Now and again I've met some twit who thinks I'm there for his benefit.

I've had them be rude to both my husband and me and sometimes pushed me to the point where I've had to be rude to them (doesn't make a nice atmosphere)!

Thank goodness it is only 1 in 100, but I can do without it.:*

Luckily, the vast majority of men I've met, and the instructors I've had, are like BEagle/dublinpilot/ShyTorque, etc. Nice, sensible and helpful.

Whirlygig

27th Jan 2008, 13:54

The point I am trying to make is that it is not a man/woman issue but an issue to do with an individual's personality.

I've met some really ill-mannered people of both sexes, I've met people of both sexes with whom I did not get on, I've met some really kind, helpful people of both sexes and I've met bunny-boilers of both sexes.

I want to be treated as a pilot, not as a female pilot, as a pilot; consequently my gender doesn't come into it. My height might be an problem but then, I've met other short pilots and they've coped!

If someone treats me with arrogance, condescension or rudeness, I do not assume that that treatment has been meted out to me because of my gender or because of theirs but because they are ignorant feckwits and I'll rise above it!

Cheers

Whirls

Viola

27th Jan 2008, 14:14

Whirlygig - I don't like people making passes at me. It IS because of my gender, obviously. It was very rare, but I didn't like it. As an inexperienced pilot I found it very difficult to handle when all my mind was on flying.

It's the arrogance that a (very) few men have, that female pilots are there for their benefit which is so irritating.

Some of the comments on this forum would put off any prospective female student! When you are learning to fly, you can barely cope with this sort of thing.

Whirlybird

27th Jan 2008, 15:56

Viola,

I agree. Everyone has some tough times flying, and when that happens, passes, smutty comments and sexual innuendo can be just one thing too much, even though you'd cope with it normally - been there!

Albinoni,
If you're still reading, have you thought of joining the BWPA? Loads of members in the South-East, and I know several who'd love another woman to fly with. See www.bwpa.co.uk for more details.

Before anyone starts an argument on whether the BWPA should exist....
Women in aviation are in a minority - a mere 6% of PPLs. Minorities, whether due to sex, age, race, location, or anything else, sometimes feel isolated and would like to meet others of their own 'kind'. Only sometimes, Whirlygig; we're all different. The BWPA offers that opportunity, and thereby fills a need. When there are enough women flying, it'll probably quite naturally cease to exist.

Whirlygig

27th Jan 2008, 16:49

Never had that in aviation (plenty of times in the real world); perhaps I'm incredibly thick-skinned and didn't notice or maybe not pretty enough. :}

Had a couple of lesbians make passes at me so it's not just men you know! Met a couple of very unpleasant and possessive wives who assumed that I must be after their husbands!!!

I disagree that some of the comments made would put off ANY female student; just some.

I am a member of BWPA and Whirly's right about minorities seeking their own sort. For female fixed wing pilots, I suggest it's a good organisation to join. However, I feel that my "minority" is as a helicopter pilot, not as woman, so personally it hasn't offered much for me.

Cheers

Whirls

BEagle

27th Jan 2008, 17:05

The only times I refuse to treat women as equals are when I open doors for them or offer my seat on the train.

Is that still allowed these days? Or would it be construed as gender harassment?

Sorry, I can't help it. 'tis the way wot I was brung up!

By the way, BWPA would indeed be a good starting point for Albinoni to find a flying companion, I would suggest.

2close

27th Jan 2008, 18:21

If any female student made a pass at me she would be immediately banished from my student list.

Not that I wouldn't appreciate the gesture; it's just that she's obviously slipped through the medical net - her eyesight is clearly not up to aviation standards and she should not be left in charge of an aircraft. ;)

Yours truly,

A fat, balding, middle-aged, non-PC Welsh git with warts, haltosis, no dress sense and the sex appeal of a chewed up bag of liquorice allsorts

Seriously though, I was attached for a while to a hyper-possessive, suspicious nutcase with a flash point of just above Absolute Zero who thought that I was knocking off every woman who came flying with me - to the extent that one Saturday afternoon she launched herself across the pub at this poor unsuspecting lass and proceeded to start battering seven sorts of shoite out of her! She is a thing of the past now and I make a point of being 100% open with my current ( blind ;) ) partner.

Viola

27th Jan 2008, 19:57

2close - there are irritating women too. How embarrassing for you! I hope you are very happy with your present partner who I am sure has very good eyesight and excellent taste.

BEagle - please feel free to open doors for me any time.:) I don't expect it, but always appreciate it and always say thank you. No it isn't harrassment, it's nice old fashioned manners. My husband has them too!

I work with a lot of young people (late teens and early 20's) and you'd be surprised how many young men open doors for me (and for others).

BEagle

27th Jan 2008, 20:18

Viola, I'm glad that manners haven't been banished by the militant feminists ('wimmin') who perceive them as gender harrassment!

I was on a packed 1GW:yuk: train the other day and a young lady was forced to stand in the aisle. Numerous ill-mannered yoof just stuck their infernal iPod ear plugs in and ignored her.

Difficult to express this in a polite manner, but let's just say that gentlemen should appreciate that human biology can make such things uncomfortable for women at certain times. I was, to be honest, outraged that a lady should have to stand whilst other passengers had seats.

So I offered her my seat. Now, having obtained my PPL in 1968 before I passed my driving test, I'm hardly an iPod digi-yoof, so she was politely reluctant to accept the offer, probably thinking that perhaps I needed the seat rather more than she did. But my little white lie helped - "No, it's OK - I'd sooner get some fresh air in the gangway as it's a bit stuffy in the carriage"....

Why are people so appallingly rude these days? I detest travelling on trains and tubes, but rarely see people affording the courtesy to the fair sex which gentlemen were always taught when I was at school.

Back to the thread - let's hope that Albinoni hasn't been put off by stupid kids and will find the motivation to come back to PPL flying soon!

Whirlygig

27th Jan 2008, 20:25

Just to add further oil to the fire .... I've found that manners and courtesy are not so much a male/female thing or even a youth/age thing but a town/country thing.

Similarly, I hope threats and jests of sexual harrassment and innuendo haven't put off the OP either!

Cheers

Whirls

FullyFlapped

28th Jan 2008, 10:17

Some people are pillocks, some people are arrogant, some people are patronizing. It has nothing to do with the sex of the person whom they are addressing so I don't think that's relevant either - they're probably like that all the time!!!

:D:D:D

Viola, I'm glad that manners haven't been banished by the militant feminists ('wimmin') who perceive them as gender harrassment!

I think a lot of men will think twice these days about offering such courtesy because they are frightened of being perceived as being predatory. It's a sad, appalling comment on the PC world we live in.

Anyway, just to prove that "Carry On" scriptwriting is alive and well and living in Whirly's house :-

OK, I said, I promise not to attack you, now get rid of one tent! Again, no big deal - it was nearly the 21st century after all. But if Chris had been female it wouldn't have come up.

Ooerr, missus ... :eek:;);)

OK, OK, I know, that's just the sort of smut you were talking about. Hat (schoolcap?), coat (blazer?), bag (satchel?) etc ...

Whirlybird

28th Jan 2008, 11:22

FullyFlapped,

No, that's my jokey way of talking to a mate when we have something to sort out! And it bears no realtion to anything I was talking about - have you actually been reading anything I've written? :confused::confused: I believe in calling a spade a spade, and if I have to share a room/tent with a man, making it clear that we're sharing a room but not a bed, if that's the case. It makes life easier for all concerned. But like I said, it's so much easier to travel with someone of the same gender so that it doesn't come up - and yes, I have Lesbian friends, but it never comes up, since in this world you're assumed heterosexual till proved otherwise.

Now you can get your coat. ;)

BEagle,

Men giving up seats for women etc etc. Never understood it, never will. But it's hardly a big deal, unless it's insisted upon or done in an impolite fashion ( You WILL let me walk on the outside, and I'll shove you uncomfortably to the other side every time we turn a corner to prove to you that I'm a REAL gentleman. Been done, honest :)) If you want to do that sort of thing, feel free, doesn't bother me one way or the other. Simply a strange old-fashioned British custom, but harmless, IMHO. But anybody giving up a seat to someone who needs it more is a good thing, as is any kind of politeness and consideration. I can't see that applies to women unless they're very old or pregnant or ill...but you know what you were talking about, even if I don't.

However, please don't always blame the yoof of today. A friend of mine, in her 60s, was knocked off her bike by an elderly man who wasn't looking where he was going. She was quite badly hurt. He just walked off, and no-one stopped him. If it had been a young person, can you imagine the outcry?

airgirl

28th Jan 2008, 11:38

As another female flyer, I was going to start a new thread on here asking advice regarding a particular subject matter. However, the attitude of most people that have posted has entirely put me off doing so. This lady is simply looking to find some new flying friends - end of detail. I am amazed at how unpleasent and rude some people have been which is why I am not going to place my post.

Albinoni, I am from Biggin too so please feel free to PM me - I have PM'd you !!

D SQDRN 97th IOTC

28th Jan 2008, 12:24

blimey

and all I did was ask her 3 questions....

sorry for asking.:{

no really. Sorry.
I wont do it again.
Honest officer.

PompeyPaul

28th Jan 2008, 12:40

...Where's G-EMMA these days ? Not seen her for a while. She stopped posting, then started again on solo, then stopped again.

I think some of the people on here are a bit over sensitive about some of the comments. There's some assholes posting, but there again, if you post about anything on pprune there's going to be some toss pot try and shout you down about something.

Why would the "I'm a 50yo woman looking for a flying partner" thread be any different ?

As soon as you post on pprune it's flame suit on, liberal use of the ignore button, and the hope that 1 in 5 posts may be worth reading....

FullyFlapped

28th Jan 2008, 13:04

Whirybird,

You have completely misunderstood my post, which was in no way intended to be serious, just simply a rather poor but harmless, smut-ridden, anatomically-driven double-entendre-styley 1970s joke designed to bring a little levity into the discussion.

Not everything has to have serious content, y'know ... a laugh a day and all that ! ;)

D SQDRN 97th IOTC

28th Jan 2008, 13:42

fully flapped

you should be ashamed of yourself.
you should also be properly admonished. I know a good address where you can go for that, but it'll cost you a £100 quid.

as for the 50 yr old lady - I suspect if she has managed to obtain a PPL amongst her life's achievements, then she is probably more than capable of looking after herself. She may be silent not because she is "outraged of wilmslow crescent", and maybe she isn't as hurt and dismayed by those jumping to her defence might think, but because she is embarrassed that people think that pprune has scared her off. Maybe she is quite a robust woman quite capable of holding her own.

I for one bet she is. Show me a female pilot, and I'll show you someone with more metal in 'em than the average bloke.

BEagle

28th Jan 2008, 14:39

Some have even been known to demonstrate their individualism by sporting......

headsets.....

coloured......

PINK!!

And FullyFlapped, I knew what you meant! What a Carry On!!

Whirlybird

28th Jan 2008, 16:10

As another female flyer, I was going to start a new thread on here asking advice regarding a particular subject matter. However, the attitude of most people that have posted has entirely put me off doing so...I am not going to place my post.

airgirl,
Please do post! We're not all like that; it's only a rather loud and vociferous minority. Don't worry; I'll shout 'em down, singlehandedly if necessary. :ok:

FullyFlapped,
Well, excuse me!!! I partle misunderstood, partly got your drift and retaliated in kind. If you'd been on PPRuNe as long as I have, you'd know that I'm used to the 'Whirly has no sense of humour' comments. Maybe it's true, but if I had a penny for every thread that gets misunderstood on PPRuNe because you don't get the tone of voice and nuances, I'd be able to afford...an MD500 rating!!!! If it was funny, well...OK...if you say so. Personally, having read it again, I still don't see the relevance to...anything. But thanks for trying, and seriously, no hard feelings, OK?

Seriously, people, what is it about women posting? We regularly have posts from people of various minorities. We had a whole thread called 'Young Pilots' and everyone applauded the under 20s sticking together...bunch of ageist kids if you ask me, but no-one asked me so I kept quiet. There are even separate forums for pilots from various countries. We Rotorheads get our own place to chat about whirly things. Yet if a woman dares to mention that she's female, and - horror of horrors - she thinks it matters, she gets shouted down. It happened to me years ago, when Pontius was a pilot, Whirly was a sweet young thing, and the Private Pilots' forum was new. I dared to ask if there were any female helicopter pilots on here. You'd have thought I asked if there were any baby burning pilots on here!!! I got flamed, told it didn't matter, that I was obsessed with gender, all sorts of things. Jeez, and all I wanted was...friends. :(

But actually it did me a lot of good; I got tougher. These days I'll beat up anyone who gives any women (or anyone else) on here a hard time for no good reason. So Albinoni, please come back, and Airgirl, please post your question.

Or, guys, would you prefer us to ask the mods for.....A WOMEN'S ONLY FORUM? !!!!!!!!! :)

Jetscream 32

28th Jan 2008, 16:21

no theres an idea - female flyers forum....! will it have fluffy offers on vanity mirrors, cut out coupons for H369 ratings, and google adwords for remove before flight clothing..... :} :} every membership subscription would get a free airport firemans calendar........ :D

Health warning
THIS ICKLE POST IS A JOKE - AND NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY

FullyFlapped

28th Jan 2008, 16:45

FullyFlapped,
Well, excuse me!!! I partle misunderstood, partly got your drift and retaliated in kind. If you'd been on PPRuNe as long as I have, you'd know that I'm used to the 'Whirly has no sense of humour' comments. Maybe it's true, but if I had a penny for every thread that gets misunderstood on PPRuNe because you don't get the tone of voice and nuances, I'd be able to afford...an MD500 rating!!!! If it was funny, well...OK...if you say so. Personally, having read it again, I still don't see the relevance to...anything. But thanks for trying, and seriously, no hard feelings, OK?

It's OK, Whirly, absolutely no hard feelings. And I'm sorry you don't get the "relevance" ! :ok:

Astral_Flyer

28th Jan 2008, 20:47

THIS ICKLE POST IS A JOKE - AND NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY
I was just waiting to savage you (in a fluffy way) until you said that.. You are so lucky. You have just got away with your life intact. Or something else intact :}

Woman's only forum - No thanks. It would get invaded by all sorts of people, giving out sarcastic comments. I'm happy to keep things as they are. I have been treated with kid gloves and had a few condescending remarks thrown at me by a few instructors in the past... None recently though. Perhaps it might boil down to the fact I'm an older pilot.

During my training. I found it easier to progress with other women. I couldn't pinpoint exactly why.. But a lot of it I feel came down to the fact that we were in it because we enjoyed it. No battles or sexist stuff to have to deal with.

BEagle (http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=6981) - I take it your remark relates to Pinkster who used to post on the boards. What happened to her?

I haven't seen a reply from the OP yet.. Airgirl - Ask away. Don't be put off .

Astral

Shunter

28th Jan 2008, 21:18

I don't get the problem... Man, woman, so what? Why does there always have to be some hidden agenda with so many people?

I was in the states recently for a conference, met a fellow (female) attendee in the bar one afternoon, had a beer, had another beer, continued until 9am. Woke up on (not in) bed about 12 hours later in my hotel with a stinking headache, she's asleep on the floor with her dress pulled up over her face. I didn't care, she didn't care, nothing was ever on the cards, and when I phoned the girlfriend later that evening she found the whole incident highly amusing.

Are most people really so backward, suspicious and predatory?

B Fraser

28th Jan 2008, 21:42

Whirlygig - However, I feel that my "minority" is as a helicopter pilot, not as woman, so personally it hasn't offered much for me.

Maybe it was the banjo that put you in a minority of one. ;) I'm all for gender equality so get us a pint love and we'll talk about it.

oh, and I have a shirt that needs ironing :O

only kidding....it's two shirts.

Whirlygig

28th Jan 2008, 21:48

I now have a banjo-playing friend and his wife is all for our burgeoning partnership :}

Now. Do you want creases down the sleeves? Hanging or folded? I'll do that while you put some more essential fluids in my car darling.

Cheers

Whirls

B Fraser

28th Jan 2008, 22:00

With petrol at those prices, I'll iron my own bloody shirts !

x

Whirlygig

28th Jan 2008, 22:03

Always works. Always works.

...and who said women were stoopid? :}

Cheers

Whirls

BEagle

28th Jan 2008, 22:07

"BEagle (http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=6981) - I take it your remark relates to Pinkster who used to post on the boards. What happened to her?"

Why I had text with the lady only this afternoon! She's fine and was just starting her weekly radio spot.

Hasn't flown for a long time though.......:confused:

Whirlybird

29th Jan 2008, 06:55

Are most people really so backward, suspicious and predatory?

You're a PPRuNer and you really think that needs answering!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shunter

29th Jan 2008, 07:40

You have a point.

kevmusic

29th Jan 2008, 15:48

Viola, just curious - is there a connection between your good self and Albinoni? AFAIK Tomaso Albinoni didn't compose anything major for the viola but perhaps you could enlighten? :) ;)

Viola

30th Jan 2008, 18:22

Me? No.

When I logged onto Pprune I looked around for a name and the violas (small pansies) were in flower. I'm too much of a peasant to be called after a musical instrument. I do like music though!

I've been flying regularly for quite a few years now and have been lucky enough to have people to fly with.

But I can see how difficult it is for a woman to find flying buddies. My theory is that men who fly regularly often buy an aircraft/share and automatically have people to share with whilst women don't - possibly because most groups are made up of men (because most pilots are men).

Whirlygig

30th Jan 2008, 20:49

Not necessarily! Firstly, I was offered a share in a helicopter; for various reasons, nothing to do with the gender diversity of the group but more the way the group was managed, I declined.

Could it be that women don't tend to buy shares in aircraft because, on the whole, their earnings are less than mens'?

I've had no difficulty finding flying buddies although I prefer to fly on my own (or with friends as passengers). They are all individuals who happen to be men. And we get on fine.

Cheers

Whirls