FlyGlobespan -7

[captaintrigger]

FlyGlobespan have made the decision as of 12th Jan to stop ETOPS until further notice.
Just to clarify the Airline has made this decision and NOT the CAA.
Probably want to get the 757 sorted before carrying out ETOPS again!
CT

[diesel36]

The 76 that was flying for Santa Barbara is now in Sanford

Leaving to go to glasgow tonight...

[DIRECTTANGODELTA]

Does anyone have any idea of their fleet plans for the summer, especially whats going to be MME based?? Are they consolidating in 2008? after all the problems during 2007.

The booking website looks as if its one aircraft at MME but they are sharing most of the flights with EDI/GOW at the moment, is this load related or aircraft based?

[luvly jubbly]

GSM have 4 737-600s on heavy maintenance over the winter (Undercarriage ADDs). That's probably why there's the doubling up on flights.

No idea of the MME aircraft for 2008 yet. I would guess on 1 or 2 736s

Oh and I've just noteced the MME-TFS route continues into the Summer. Then I guess it will be a 736 and a 733!

[iflycwl]

If GSM have stopped ETOPS until further notice how is this going to affect the BRS-YHM route for Summer 2008 ?

Will this affect their B757 from there ?

[luvly jubbly]

ETOPS will be back by then..... It's relinquished while the cause of the 757 surge is determined.

[wheelbarrow]

Interesting..........very very interesting indeed.

Hear SBAirlines got browned off with them so didnt pay.:):):) Advertising for replacement airline for CCS routes in speedway.

Thats 2 motors wrecked on JM and this was the replacement engine.:rolleyes:

Roll on Kuala Lumper looks like theyll badly need work in order to pay de bills.

Any word from Keith or Joe :sad: FFFFFoster?

Love Jimmy X

[GSM SCOT]

Santa Barbara was so "browned off" with GSM that they were requesting a 2nd 767 for the summer.

Only one engine "wrecked" on JM and it wasn't the replacement engine. Should be back in service within a few weeks.

[MEX2007]

I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused as for the reason that led to terminate the lease of G-EOCD for Santa Barbara... did this Venezuelan airline have not paid the lease? I have read contradictory versions, thus I would be really thankful if you help me understand what happened.

Flyglobespan applied before the US Department of Transportation, and was appoved, to serve the Caracas-Miami-Caracas route for the lessee (Santa Barbara) in a long term wet lease plan: it was approved from December 2007 to November 2008, then I would have never imagined it would end so soon (around a month, a little more than a month).

Thanks in advance.

[W Cdr Gibson]

MEX- The 767 was pulled due to the fact that it couldn't go ETOPS to Caracas from Miami and would have to have gone an overland route which would have added lots of time and put the schedule out of sync.GSM SCOT- I beg to differ it's both engines on the 757, just ask Storm or indeed the GSM "engineers" based at GLACpt Trigger- It was pulled by TD before the CAA pulled it for him. They had 5 days to rectify the situation ..... and obviously couldn't. Voluntarily pulling the ETOPS keeps it out of the paper ........... and avoids the adverse publicity that would have brought.

[tallaonehotel]

I take it GSM still haven't found anyone to do their engine trends yet?.
Poor show, and it is still only January....

[luvly jubbly]

CCS-MIA is not an ETOPS route. CCS-MAD & CCS-TFN are.
Seems strange that the ACMI was cancelled (by GSM) the day before ETOPS was relinquished, but the official explaination is that it was cancelled due to payment issues.

As GSM dropped SB pax off in MIA before taking the 763 to on to SFB, this suggests to me that it was indeed GSM who pulled the plug on the ACMI.

Re G-CEJM. It was not the new engine that had the surge, but the older engine which had been recently leased out.

GSM had 20 aircraft this year, with how many engine changes???????
Out of 3 757s, I think there were 4 engine changes, and a brand new 73G was grounded with engine problems. Plus the 2 engines that were taken off one of the 736s....... Surely this is more than just bad luck?

[matkat]

I take it GSM still haven't found anyone to do their engine trends yet?.
Poor show, and it is still only January....


Again someone not knowing what they are talking about.
EZECM do ALL trend monitoring of GSM fleet they stated that they could not have foreseen the surge event(either of them) as it was a "one off" event, and also GSM have only had 2 engine changes(one not yet performed) the other two aircraft quoted were on wet lease from icelandair.The engine problem onthe 737NG was caused by a manufacturing defect of which CFMI are accepting liability.

[groundrat]

quote:
"Again someone not knowing what they are talking about.
EZECM do ALL trend monitoring of GSM fleet they stated that they could not have foreseen the surge event(either of them) as it was a "one off" event, and also GSM have only had 2 engine changes(one not yet performed) the other two aircraft quoted were on wet lease from icelandair.The engine problem onthe 737NG was caused by a manufacturing defect of which CFMI are accepting liability"

Very good matkat....are you at the sharp end of this "operation"?
Tell me-in your infinite wisdom-how on earth can two engine surges be a "one off" event?obviously,if there were (apparently)two seperate surges then it wasn't a "one-off"event was it??:ugh::ugh::ugh:Please explain because where i come from,if the same thing happens more than once then it is not a "one-off" event!:rolleyes:

[GW76]

werent the surge events on two seperate engines, making them "one off" events on each engine ???????:confused:

[groundrat]

aahh....D'oh!thanks GW76-old age i guess:\

[MEX2007]

Thansk W Cdr Gibson and luvly jubbly for your replies and explanations. It is too bad the wet-lease had to be cancelled in such way.

Santa Barbara is now leasing a 757 from Icelandair: TF-FIS, which not long ago was flying for Flyglobespan. I hope they get their payments right this time.

Regards, thanks.

[luvly jubbly]

Yes I know that 2 engine changes were on Icelandair aircraft, but GSM had to pay for them!
4 engine changes in 6 months is not good (Plus the NG etc etc)
All on current (or ex Icelandair aircraft).
So.... Do icelandair have problems normally, or is it just when GSM operate the 752s that the problems arise??

I only ask, as I have personally flown every single one of GSM's aircraft except G-CEJM and I don't really fancy more problems in Hamilton this summer!

[4567]

Are GSM still planning to get the NEOS 767's back for the summer 2008 to operate the GLA-SFB and Vancover,Calgary flights instead of using there own ?

I take it they have lied to the press by saying that there services to BOS and JFK were returning for the summer 2008 !

[groundrat]

According to Wikipedia, the claim is that GSM will be leasing 2 Neos 767s for summer 2008.Don't know how accurate their info is though.

matkat,thanks for the pm-i tried to reply but i don't think it worked:confused:technology does not seem to be my friend at the moment:bored:

[luvly jubbly]

I also hear 2x763 from NEOS for S08. (SFB & West Canada). The 752 should be doing Hamilton runs and the 763 from SB is doing the MOD contract for now.

There are currently no plans for transatlantic 737s for S08

[jethro15]

The two Neos 767's are not confirmed. The Air India contract expires in May and at the moment GSM's own 767's are scheduled to return to the fleet. However there is a possibility that the AI leases may be extended and until this decision is made there is no need for the Neos lease.

Currently, there is no requirement for a 757 until March

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com

[FMGLA]

A family member of mine and a group of his friends have booked on a GLA-SFB flight in september, and have booked the flight back in business, however, in the last few days, GSM have called us to tell us that they are cutting down business class from 24 to 12 on their 763 currently. Are they leasing other aircraft or just getting rid of 2 rows from their current 763's. Are they doing this for all the Calgary/Vancouver flights as well then?

[GW76]

And GSMs chopping and changing continues.....will they never learn..?
Sounds suspiciously like a 757 with that config......new engines anyone ?

[FMGLA]

The guy from GSM has booked the group on the way out(in economy) in row 3, which would suggest it is a 763 as there are now only 2 rows in business and 12 seats. They have been very good with the situation and have al least told us in good time so people volunteered to downgrade, and recieved the difference in price and a £50 GSM voucher, which isnt too bad.

[14 loop]

These were in 24 seat config last summer....and very good it was too YVR-LGW. My flights with them were faultless but I know others had problems!

The 757s had more than 12 seats in biz last year also.

[dicanio10]

Can a 757-200 do GLA to SFB in one hop? We did this on the NEOS 767 last September and it was a good service. Premium economy out and business back (they changed the flights 3 times so I got them to upgrade). Had row 4 coming back, 767 was 4 rows of 2-2-2 in business.
Booked to go back March 1st and have been following this thread with interest.
I suspect we are in for a re-fuelling stop somewhere. Am I right?

[nivsy]

Did Glasgow-Orlando years ago on a B757 of Air 2000 without any stopping en-route. Think it was "meant" to stop at Gander but guess was pushed by the tail down. Anyway with favourable conditions and maybe not a full load its possible.

[4567]

Have Flyglobespan still got there slots at Boston logan airport ?

[wheelbarrow]

I hear that theyre on thin tenderhooks with Boston Logan Authority over some unpaid taxes but a meeting due soon with TD as hes heading over soon. incidentially met Tom recently and air india may extend 6 months with FG n PT but at the moment no decision re OD.

The Engine that came to pieces on 767 in Heathrow last year after someone reengaged the starter before n2 reduced has finally been repaired.

JM shoould have been sorted out by now but who knows?????????

ETOPS still NOT allowed or approved.

Cheeriooooooooooo
X Jimmy (ach eye)

now if u asked me on a wednesday id say eye :p

[tano]

N3 on a 767!!!

U looser

[W Cdr Gibson]

Matkat.... Only 2 engine changes?????? Please tell me then why GCDKD is sitting in SEN with no engines????

[ggspn]

G-OTDA at that moment. In france.

http://file042a.bebo.com/12/large/2008/01/21/16/349957741a6676793067l.jpg

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It sure offers outstanding legroom!! :ok:

[4567]

Were are the 737-700's and 737-300's going to be based for summer 2008 ?

[GoEDI]

B73Gs 1 at EDI, 1 at ABZ. B733s 1 at GLA and 1 at MME.

[nivsy]

Has GSM dropped the Glasgow-Prague link after end of March 08?

[luvly jubbly]

Jethro, I understand that G-CDPT's lease to AIC expires this spring but will most likely be extended. G-CEFG's lease at AIC doesn't expire until the Autumn.

NEOS will be asked back. (1 or maybe 2 767s.)

The 757 should be back in GLA anytime now and will be used as a backup for the 73s for Feb/March. The S08 SFB is 2 class only and is being sold as our 757 config, with business and premium economy seats.
It seems that no final decisions have been made for S08 yet, but we are told that there are no plans this year to send 737s transatlantic......... But then again!!

Nivsy, It looks like GLA-PRG is off the menu for S08. (As it was from June 07). Looks like it's a winter route for GSM now.

Regards,

LJ

[jethro15]

luvly jubbly
The 757 should be back in GLA anytime now and will be used as a backup for the 73s for Feb/March.

Yes it is now back in GLA, but I understand it is AOG.

jethro

[4567]

So will GLA be having 5 737-800's and 1 737-300 based for S08 with a 767 operating SFB ?

[luvly jubbly]

Not sure how many will be at GLA, but there will still be at least 1 in Kuala Lumpur this summer, operating for GMG.

[4567]

Are GSM going to be extending the contract with GMG ? according to jethros fleet listings http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com/fleets/fleet_listings/flyglobespan.htm
the a/c with GMG was to come back in April 08.

[ROSSKi MYT]

Will The B738 be At Glas For S08

[GW76]

Of course- where else do you think theyd all go...?

[4567]

Is the Flyglobespan 757 G-CEJM parked up at GLA now or is it still in SFB ?

Are they trying to replace this a/c or get another 757 as a back-up a/c before they start the services to Toronto YHM for S08 ?

[jethro15]

4567
Is the Flyglobespan 757 G-CEJM parked up at GLA now or is it still in SFB ?
Arrived back at Glasgow 24 Jan.

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com

[Skipness One Echo]

Does G-CEJM still have the Liverpool John Lennon airport tail scheme ?

[luvly jubbly]

2 questions......

Why does G-CEJO still not have winglets?

Where are the 2 736s disappearing off to?

LJ

[4567]

Theres constant talk on the Jet2 forum that Flyglobespan will soon collapse and will ither be merging or being bought by Jet2 but i think there just hoping so because they want the ETOPS does anybody know if this is rubbish or if it could happen ?

[Flightrider]

Given Globespan's history with ETOPS, I am not sure if the Jet2 comment is meant to be a wind-up or whether it is serious. Whether the discussions are happening or not, there is an undeniable synergy between the two airlines (and probably with bmibaby as well).

Each of them will, in turn, be squeezed by the "big two" - Ryanair and easyJet - and there is probably some merit in combining the businesses to create a larger LCC with some staying power. Globespan is increasingly being pressured by easyJet in Scotland; Jet2 caught in the crossfire of a battle at Belfast between easyJet and Aer Lingus and cutting back heavily at Manchester in the face of stiff competition. I suppose the key issue is going to be one of whether the respective owners get on well enough to sit around the table for a discussion.

[mm0wkj]

Luvly jubbly

'The 757 should be back in GLA anytime now and will be used as a backup for the 73s for Feb/March. The S08 SFB is 2 class only and is being sold as our 757 config, with business and premium economy seats.
It seems that no final decisions have been made for S08 yet, but we are told that there are no plans this year to send 737s transatlantic......... But then again!!'

Does that mean the 738 is sched to do GLA-SFB through Feb and Mar then?. And although their 'selling' the 757 will it actually be there?. Friends of mine booked a while back to fly in March and have pretty tight sched's when they arrive. If its the 738 and a non ETOPS route with fuel stop, their Sat flight will be hit hard by delays with flights on the thursday and friday and minimal turn rounds at each end.

We've managed to change but they're stuck.

[dicanio10]

That's just great! We're booked on Saturday 1st March GLA - SFB. Thought it wasn't looking good taking 10.5 hours flying time. This is not what I wanted to hear!
I was expecting a fuel stop but without ETOPS, and using a 738? Doom and gloom!:ugh:

[fiffio]

sorry to hear than di canio. We're booked on the 24th April. we have a flight time of 10hours 30minutes going out but only 9 hours 10minutes coming back -surely the wind wont make that much of a difference?

will it be the 757 thats doing the route come April instead of the 737 which requires a stop if non etops? so the 10 hours plus flight is including the time taken to go the non ETOPS route but at least there wont be fuel stop?

looking at the flight duration times NEOS starts at the end of may as the flights decrease by 90 minutes.

cheers
Kenny

[mm0wkj]

737 will need to stop no matter what route it takes, even SFB to GLA.. It doesnt have the range.

Wind will make that much difference. West-East is always quicker accross the pond.

757 can make it in a single hop SFB-GLA and if the winds/loads are favourable it can make it GLA-SFB. On a non ETOPS route it will need to stop no matter what.

767 can go non ETOPS single hop and has done so for the last few trips.. It takes longer but theres no fuel stop.

[fiffio]

we are due on a 757 and have been assured by globespan that there will not be a stop but i guess at a flight time of 10:30 there must be a stop factored in.

Are you saying that a non etops 757 must stop somewhere? I guess GS will not bother with ETOPS if Neos are picking the route up.

I feel a phone call to them coming on!

Cheers for the info.

[mm0wkj]

Going non ETOPS the 757 will need to stop for fuel.

Chances are GSM will get their 757 flying again or find a replacement but its whether they will do it before you go?. NEOS A/C probably wont arrived until May and with their own 767's lease to AI likely to be extended it looks like 73's wherever they can squeeze them in, swapped with a 75 if they get one or can get thier own off the ground.

If luvly Jubbly (or anyone else) can confirm the 73/75 situation it would help.

I hope they dont stick with a 73 and non etops through March. I know a few people who wont arrive on SFB at the scheduled 4:30 on the Saturday. More likely 10-11 pm if they're lucky with the Sunday looking more probable.

[Curious Pax]

Reported in Belgium that one of the 2 Neos 767s will be going to JetAirFly in Brussels from May 10th for the rest of the year, so presumably GSM will only need 1, or will have to look elsewhere for a second.

[fiffio]

just phoned them up and they hope to have the 757 in place by April and if thats the case they will re-apply for ETOPS.

Anyone else think they wont bother to apply and that we'll be lucky if its even the 757?

[mm0wkj]

Wonder when they'll update the schedules or let pax flying in March know they're going to be delayed?

[fiffio]

c'mon its Globespan, they will be informed at the check in desk!

[luvly jubbly]

Probably be informed by the captain with his pre-take off brief! :hmm:

Well, the 757 is back in GLA but I'm yet to hear when it might be operational.

G-CEOD the 767 from the now defunct SB contract is away for a week on a charter but will be back in GLA on 3rd Feb. This will be used for the SFB, in the meantime. GSM is scheduling SFB with 757 flight times which include a tech stop. After last year's problems, delays and unscheduled stops are something we are trying very hard to avoid!

ps. We are working on getting ETOPS back asap. :ok:

[mm0wkj]

I've just had an e-mail from my inlaws who called them. They've been told it will be a 767 until further notice with the 757 returning sometime in April. They have been assured that a 73 wont be used again on the SFB route. Hmmmm????:ugh:

If thats the case, why havent they getting their ETOPS back again? Unless they know the 76 will vanish as soon as they can find someone to take it and the 73 will be back..:cool:

Inlaws in a panic now. Last thing they want is a huge delay, stuck in an airport with 3 small children and a 12 hour flight on a 73 to look forward to with no IFE.. GSM did say they would be e-mailed with any changes nearer the time but that could be the day before, if at all going by previous history.:*

Anyone got more info on what GSM are planning?. 8 desperate people awaiting your help. I've tried and cant get anything specific. :{:{

[4567]

Will Flyglobespan be keeping there 767 G-CEOG to work alongside the NEOS 767 if NEOS are leasing there other 767 to another airline ?

Surely they will need to get ETOPS back no matter what if there to use there own 757 on the YHM flights or does it matter flying to Toronto without ETOPS ?

[fiffio]

hi,

Its great to know we are actually getting some fact from someone in globespan, not the guff I was given when phoning the various numbers I tried today!

So our flight time of 10 hours 30 minutes to sandford includes a tech stop? or are they just allowing for one in the flight time? I thought the flight time was higher due to non ETOPs route? why are they allowing time then ntelling everyone there will defo be NO stop?

So in theory if the 757 is still not available in April then we will have the 767 which hopefully by then will have ETOPS so althought we are down as having a the above flight time it will only be a 9hour 30m flight? What about if you have etops back and its the 757 can it make it straight over the pond so agian a much shorter flight time?

Thanks
Kenny





Probably be informed by the captain with his pre-take off brief! :hmm:

Well, the 757 is back in GLA but I'm yet to hear when it might be operational.

G-CEOD the 767 from the now defunct SB contract is away for a week on a charter but will be back in GLA on 3rd Feb. This will be used for the SFB, in the meantime. GSM is scheduling SFB with 757 flight times which include a tech stop. After last year's problems, delays and unscheduled stops are something we are trying very hard to avoid!

ps. We are working on getting ETOPS back asap. :ok:

[dicanio10]

Thanks Luvly Jubbly, I hope this is the case! What I can't understand is why GSM keep leasing out the 767's when these are the best a/c to cross the pond. Is it that they can't fill them up?
I don't like 737's at the best of time, alright for a short haul but not the Atlantic! 752's not much better but at least we'll get there at a reasonable time.

[GSM SCOT]

There are no plans to send any 737's across the atlantic this year, we have been assured that this would only happen in a rescue situation and as a last resort.

The 767/757 will operate the GLA - SFB route until the NEOS 767 arrives around May.

ETOPS should be back in place soon all going to plan.

[LES353]

That is reassuring to hear that there are no plans to send the 737 to Orlando. Things hopefully looking up for myself who is due to travel on the 24.4.08 hopefully on the 757 with ETOPS and not stops ;);):ok:

[tallaonehotel]

"That is reassuring to hear that there are no plans to send the 737 to Orlando. Things hopefully looking up for myself who is due to travel on the 24.4.08 hopefully on the 757 with ETOPS and not stops"

The 757 will not make the crossing in one go, a fuel stop in Bangor or the like would be on the cards.:(

[LES353]

Sounds like there are a few of us due to fly on 24.4.08. Does anyone know what would happen if they use the 767 that day instead of the 757. Just asking as we have paid money to reserve seats but wondered what would happen if they use a different plane :hmm:

[fiffio]

It is being sold as a non stop service, I'm sure they would not sell this had it been physically impossible for the 757 to do so, surely this is against some rule or regulation?

Interested to know the same as LES353 (Hi!) We are on the same flight and if its the 767 with etops I assume we'll get into sandford 90 odd minutes early but if its the 757 with etops and the plane is half full will it still the be the 10 hours 30 minutes and is this time including a stop at bangor why the catagorically state will not be required?

Thanks
Kenny


"That is reassuring to hear that there are no plans to send the 737 to Orlando. Things hopefully looking up for myself who is due to travel on the 24.4.08 hopefully on the 757 with ETOPS and not stops"

The 757 will not make the crossing in one go, a fuel stop in Bangor or the like would be on the cards.:(

[mm0wkj]

Les,

If you've paid to reserve seats and they change the plane they should give you comparible seating. Problem is the layout on a 76 and 75 is different (2-2-2 business, 2-3-2 ecc on 76, and 2-2 business 3-3 ecc on 75) so you'll be moved around a bit depending on what plane you get. you'll also have 2 aisles on a 76 compared to 1 on the 75.

As the current 76 has the original 3 class layout the early birds should get the old PE seats with 34" pitch as well. If they get another 76 that could change.

[4567]

Are Flyglobespan planning on replacing the 767's with the 787's when they come or will they be working side by side ?

This interview with TD on the 2nd of Jan is confusing by saying that they want to replace the 767's and that they want to use the 787's on the GLA-SFB route and the west canada routes will be operated by the other 787 so surely they will still need the 767's if acording to this interview he's also planning on launching a daily service from London Gatwick via Manchester - orlando sanford !

Interview is pretty long talking about everything that happened summer 2007 the part about the 787's etc is nearer the bottom.
http://www.insider.co.uk/editorial/currentissue/tm_headline=turbulent-times&method=full&objectid=20271900&siteid=52742-name_page.html

[StoneyBridge Radar]

Absoutely, categorically, undeniably, a 757 can not do Glasgow to Orlando without a tech stop for refuelling unless it's damn near empty.

If GlobeSham are telling you otherwise, they are mis-selling and are falling foul of trades description rules. If they are misleading you by specifically saying your 757 flights will go non-stop, ask them to put it in writing; then you have evidence of their mis-selling.

Who would believe anything from them though on past performance. :mad:

Stoney

[Skipness One Echo]

Air 2000 used to do it now and again so it is actually possible with good winds. They used to plan to Bangor and then overfly a fair bit too.

[GW76]

A full 757 can do GLA-SFB- full or empty. More likely on the reverse leg though. Would like to see any evidence to the contrary

[Hipsway]

I'm thinking about flying from Aberdeen to Faro with GSM this summer. I fllew to the same destination last year with GSM, punctual service, nice newish 737 and friendly cabin crew. I just couldn't fault it.

My wife seems to think that the same flight from Aberdeen is going to stop in Glasgow on route to Faro??? I just can't see it. Someone please tell me this aint true?

[GoEDI]

I doubt very much GSM could operate GLA-SFB non stop on the B752. It's more than 100nm more than TXL-EWR that CO often struggle with. CO have to block 40 seats off westbound to guarantee they can make it non stop, and GSM have a good few more seats on their B752, and no winglets. Both airlines using RB211 machines.

[StoneyBridge Radar]

A full 757 can do GLA-SFB- full or empty. More likely on the reverse leg though. Would like to see any evidence to the contrary

Complete rubbish, but as to be expected from within Globespan.

Max range B752 with RB211-535E4B approx 3,700nm

Distance GLA-SFB 4,110nm approx.

Factor in wind and whether GSM happen to have ETOPS approval or not on the day you fly.

No way in hell will a full 757 make GLA-SFB/MCO 99% of the time. If they've told you you're flying on a 757, you'll be tech stopping en-route at least outbound.

Tell the truth; your passengers deserve at least that.

ref: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/753sec3.pdf

[conflier]

People still believe GSM after last year ?

[bristolflyer]

My understanding of the new (Tuesday) Bristol - Toronto route was that it was on a 737 via Iceland. Any update on that?

[airhumberside]

I thought BRS was to be linked with DUB?

[Shamrogue]

I'm due to go DUB -YVR in May. I called Fly Globe and they said absolutely positively it will be a 767. Now I asked this specifically after the reports in here as I don't want to end up on a 737 or even a 757. Long time on either.
Can anyone tell me will it or won't it be a 767? Or is it just more rubbish?

Cheerio

Shamrogue

[webby1919]

YVR and YYC flights will all operate on B763ER A/C for S08. The B752 will operate some flights from GLA-SFB, but will be replaced with a B763ER around late-May 08, when Summer season is in full swing.

No plans to operate B737s on longhaul routes. Only way they would use this is for a rescue flight.

[gavin360]

sorry guys but i have been on a fgs 757 from glasgow to sanford and from bfs to sanford in 2007 both times with no refuel

[GSM SCOT]

It does tell you the truth, on the website the following notice is included on the outbound flight section.

"Although unlikely, flights may require a brief fuel stop en route subject to weather conditions on the day"

The 757 can fly direct to SFB without a fuel stop, has done so many times.

[GW76]

Lots of inaccuracies here
The data provided was for a 757-300- completely irrelevent here
A 757 has maximum range of 3900 miles ( see Boeing website for RR powered 757-200
The minimum distance GLA to Orlando is a mere 3500 nm ( albeit additional distance maybe required depending on Atlantic track)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distanceresult.html?p1=90&p2=867
The take off characteristics, runway elevation and ambient summer temperatures show no comparison between the German example and Glasgow.
:ugh:

[StoneyBridge Radar]

Spin the spin.

The figures were an approximate ball park figure, seeing as the figures were based on a 2-class config., and were not from the -300. Not sure where you deduced that.

And to quote the shortest minimum distance is, to coin your phrase, completely irrelevent. Show me one occassion when that has ever been possible. You add the rider "additional distance maybe required" when in fact it will ALWAYS be required. And we must also hope GSM manage to keep hold of ETOPS this year. Let's flip a coin, eh?

Try using this more useful mapper and key in whatever ETOPS limits you like.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=GLA-SFB%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=magenta&PATH-UNITS=mi&PATH-MINIMUM=&MARKER=1&SPEED-GROUND=430&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=120

Fact is, your kidding the travelling public into believing yet again that their flights will be non-stop, when empirical and historical data/evidence indicates almost emphatically this will not be the case.

Just be honest!

[mm0wkj]

The flight today (GLS-BFS-SFB) is a 757..... With a stop in Bangour for fuel. non ETOPS routing.

[StoneyBridge Radar]

The flight today (GLS-BFS-SFB) is a 757..... With a stop in Bangour for fuel. non ETOPS routing.

So pax boarding at GLA get the pleasure of 3 landings, an extended non ETOPS routing and a late arrival in SFB. :D

[luvly jubbly]

Well i did say back in post #60 that the 763 is away til 3rd Feb, so of course it's the 757 today.

All friday flights to SFB are via BFS, and are being sold as such.... I don't really see what the surprise is!:ugh:

Ps...Just to keep the merger/buyout/flotation rumours going, here's an excerpt from an insider.co.uk interview with TD.
"Given that we want to continue with the expansion programme we must now look at flotations, outside investment, and mergers.
At the moment we are talking to large international scheduled airlines and will be looking at other ways to bring in outside partners."

PPs Jet 2...... Best of luck with the New York route!

LJ

[luvly jubbly]

Flight Information - Arrivals
Sanford, FL
FlyGlobespan 725
Glasgow, UK 3:30pm Now 5:00pm
Belfast, UK

Excel Airways 124
London / Gatwick 3:45pm Now 6:30pm


At least we aren't the only late flight in today!:rolleyes:

[mm0wkj]

GSM725 may not have been the only one late but it was one of the few to leave anywhere near its departure time this morning?.

I presume they are leaving the timings as they are for now as they have a catch up period with a stop over on Fri evening in SFB for the return flight.

Do you know if that will change when the turn arounds get shorter from Mid March?

[4567]

Have GSM cut there fleet of 737-600's down to 2 from 4 according to there website they only operate 2 737-600's & 300's or is that only for the winter ?

[4567]

Have GSM cut there fleet of 737-600's to 2 from 4 according to there website they operate 2 737-600's & 300's or is that only for the winter or just a typo ?

[luvly jubbly]

4567 Correct. At least thet's what we're told!

From my previous post #47
"2 questions......

Why does G-CEJO still not have winglets?

Where are the 2 736s disappearing off to?"

LJ

[4567]

Somebody must have read our posts LJ there now showing on there website that they operate 4 Boeing 737-600's !

Will they have 4 operating in summer 08 though ? Or will it be
5 737-800's= GLA
2 737-600's=EDI
2 737-700's= 1 EDI,1 ABZ
2 737-300's= 1 EDI,1 MME ?

[GW76]

There will be at least 1x 733 at GLA S08

[LES353]

Someone on another website forum has mentioned that the 767 is due back to glasgow tomorrow. Is this going to be used from now on or will they still be operating a 757, does anyone know :confused:

[dicanio10]

Les - I've heard that too. Hope so, we go on March 1st. The alternative 757-200 is the only 757 that GSM own and it's the one that had problems in Sanford last month. It's been fixed but the missus is a bit wary so we're hoping the 767 is back:hmm:

[webby1919]

Looks like G-CDRA/G-CDRB are to be sold off.

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detail&owner=flyglobespan&dataindex=4
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detail&owner=flyglobespan&dataindex=5

All to be registered to another owner.

[jethro15]

Looks like G-CDRA/G-CDRB are to be sold off.
To be sold and leased back.

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com

[LES353]

Any Globespan staff got the latest info re what's happening with the 767, is it likely to be used to do the Sandford run also any news on ETOPS???

[mm0wkj]

Chances are that when the summer season gets into full swing (from May) GSM will have leased another 767 to cover so May - Oct will more than likely have the 767 on the SFB routes. They may still throw in the 75 now and again but not unless they have to.

The problems just now are due to them reducing the flights and A/C size because of bums on seats over the winter. Add to that the ETOPS mess and its not something they can sustain when number of flights increase from March.

[luvly jubbly]

Well I guess the lucky punters can spread out on the 767 tomorrow to SFB, as the 757 is off to Malaga for the day:D


Edited on 8/2
Ok..... So it's the 757 today, as a ground handler drove into the 767:{:eek:

[mm0wkj]

Luvly Jubbly, Have you heard on what progress is being made on getting ETOPS back yet?.

[4567]

Why are GSM selling 2 of there 737-600's ?

They now say in there about us section on there website that they operate 2 737-600's insted of 4 are they going to replace these arcraft or are they downsizing there fleet ?

[mm0wkj]

According to another post they are selling them and leasing them back.... Money problems???

[dicanio10]

Thought they had two 787's on order for next year. Might be off-loading the 738's in readiness. They could lease them out!

[GW76]

Cant see them gettimg their 787s next year, and they are not offloading any 737-800's

[luvly jubbly]

2 B787s are due in 2010, but Boeing are already announcing delays to the launch customers, so this might get pushed back a bit.

Globespan only owns the 737-600s. All other aircraft are leased.
Two of the 737-600s are being sold.

[tristar500]

Have heard that SAS are taking 2 of the -600s back...

What the hell is going on at GSM. Theres a new twist every week... :ugh:

[GW76]

SAS will get them at a decent price , have lots of experience with them and obviously need them for demand...so why not....?

[JB007]

What the hell is going on at GSM.

Sounds like consolidation...

[mm0wkj]

Or in other words... Battening down the hatches before the F-it hits the Sh-an

[luvly jubbly]

I think it's a sensible move, to raise cash by getting rid of two of the 600s. They were perfect for AMS and STN from Scotland, but they're pretty useless on many of our routes due to their short range.

[dicanio10]

Shame they can't try the EDI-STN route again. Give EZY another run for their money. Don't know why GSM opened that route for one summer only, always seemed full, decent prices. Now EZY charge what they like.:ugh:

[CKT789]

Are the two 733's still leaving the fleet in addition to CDRA and CDRB?

[GSM SCOT]

Both 300's will remain for around another 12 months.

[4567]

Do GSM plan to replace the 737-300's after the 12 months or will they just leave it and there fleet will be cut down to 13 ?

[GSM SCOT]

They will be replaced by two 737-8/900's

[wee pixie]

Is there any hope for us travelling to Sanford on GSM725 in 4 weeks time? :( How on earth are Globespan going to cope with an increase in flights when they can't seem to get even one flight per week there and back without some sort of drama or delay? Will they ever have ETOPS again?

Please can someone tell me things are going to get better.

[luvly jubbly]

It wasn't GSM's fault that someone drove a hi-lifter into the aircraft!:ugh:

[wee pixie]

It wasn't GSM's fault that someone drove a hi-lifter into the aircraft!:ugh:


Quite :rolleyes: I do accept that. 'Tis never their fault.

However whose fault was it that Globespan broke their own terms and conditions by not informing passengers of the 12 hour plus delay until they checked in on Saturday when they knew on Friday morning that said flight would be delayed excessively? :confused:

They do state that flight alterations will be notified on their website and by email to passengers. That did not happen. The first notification was on a sheet of paper handed out at check in. Sticking to their own T&Cs might have allowed some passengers the chance to plan a decent last day in Florida instead of 15 hours stuck at Sanford airport with a $10 food voucher. Shame on them :=

I just despair for my family's holiday :{

[fiffio]

any reason why you and GSM Scot have been avoiding the ETOPS question that has been asked a few times on this thread?

Any Update to the situation regarding getting ETOPS back?

[mm0wkj]

The question has been asked but even the staff cant get an answer on that.
They'll probably wait now until other A/C are leased in (around May) and the ETOPS comes with them. Takes the pressure and extra cost/effort off GSM. Unfortunately, flights from now until then will be hit but will they admit it..... :=

[luvly jubbly]

I think the company T&Cs refer to material changes to schedule, not to delays.
I know of no airlines that email passengers regarding delays! Passengers are always asked to check in on time because delay situations are so fluid. What if an aircraft was chartered to get you home while half of you are still on the beach?? I don't expect pax to understand the complexities, but if you were in the OPS office during one of these delays, I think you would find everyone pulling out all the stops to reduce the delays to a minimum.


Re: ETOPS. Please stop asking. We don't know. We are mere minions who point the planes in the direction we are told to. That's between the CAA and the Company who are working hard to reinstate it ASAP. It will make very little difference to SFB via BGR anyway. Maybe 45 mins to an hour extra:ugh:

[mm0wkj]

Thanks LJ.

I think everyone is aware the crew's etc are trying to do their best and bear the brunt of passengers frustrations. It doesnt help you when management dont keep you informed, let alone the paying pax.

Agree re the ETOPS and 45min - 1hr.... the problem is those delays add up on the following flights when a short turn same day is sched from Mid March on the SFB flight. 1 hour per flight means at least 6 hours delay by the time the Saturday flight comes around following the Thurs and Fri hops.

FYI, quote from T&C's currently posted on the GSM site...

"Changes made at the last minute for industrial action; operational reasons etc; will only be posted on our website".

The paperwork given to Pax quoted 'Operational Reasons', doesnt that count???

They had plenty of notice but nothing posted so how could pax check???:sad:

[wee pixie]

GLA to SFB late again today, any idea whose fault this week? :confused:

The guestimates posted here have disappeared but I believe were not far out for today :D

All quiet on the ETOPS front.

Anyone have anything helpful to add?

[fiffio]

It looks like GS are just burying their head in the sand, until the noise goes away.

They simply HAVE to pull their finger out over the next few weeks or the busy easter time and all other flights up until the end of may will definitely have a delay which will get longer as each weekend progresses!

Will be interesting to see what they actually do about it! I expect nothing but if they want to survive next year then somethings gotta give.

[mm0wkj]

yip,

someone removed the post with Sched guestimates..must have been too close to the mark...3 mins out on departure and bang on by sanford Est arrival.. they even edited the post for good measure. Never fear,
I posted it here as well just in case.. http://www.thedibb.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=190649&highlight=globespan&page=3

[dicanio10]

OK, so what happened to GSM725 to Sanford this morning? Last night it was on their web site, as was next Saturday's but now they've disappeared off the radar.
Glasgow Airport web site doesn't have it on the departure board this morning so it's not a case of it selling out.

Any ideas anyone?:*:rolleyes::suspect:

[wee pixie]

OK, so what happened to GSM725 to Sanford this morning? Last night it was on their web site, as was next Saturday's but now they've disappeared off the radar.
Glasgow Airport web site doesn't have it on the departure board this morning so it's not a case of it selling out.

Any ideas anyone?:*:rolleyes::suspect:


:confused: There was no flight scheduled for today outbound just the GSM726 from Sanford to Glasgow via Belfast scheduled to depart 0815 now showing delayed until 10.45.

The first Saturday flight outbound isn't until March 1st. All outbound flights until then are on Fridays.

[Callsign Kilo]

I really hope GSM management get their problems sorted out in order to build the blocks of stability that the airline deserves. A lot of people are really working hard to sort this out. I hope they get it right before the summer season is upon us. It would be horrible to witness a re-run of summer 07. Goodluck guys, keep it going :ok:

[GW76]

I dont understand that.. there is a 24 hr bus service and taxis from airport to Glasgow. You could of course drive.:rolleyes:

[GW76]

You could stay over the night before in one of the many cheap travel lodge type establishments which have sprung up on the grounds of GLA

[diesel36]

just go to lgw with a more reliable airline and you will probably get there with out multiple changes and not on a 737-800 :rolleyes:

[4567]

Hopefully if Flyglobespan are still around in 2010 does anybody know were they are planing on basing there 787's ?

I read in an interview that TD was planning to launch SFB flights from LGW via MAN anybody think it will actually happen ?

Does anybody know what Flyglobespan a/c will be operating the GLA-PMI flights during Summer 08 ?

[GSM SCOT]

This route will be operated on a 737-800.

There are no plans to send the 737's across the atlantic this summer, if it does happen it will be as a rescue flight and only as a last resort.

[wee pixie]

What about between now and the summer? By 'summer' I presume you mean after the Neos aircraft are leased in?

I am really worried about our flights in March on recent performance, not looking good :{

[LES353]

Does anyone know when the NEOS start operating on the GLA - SFB route?

[JB007]

read in an interview that TD was planning to launch SFB flights from LGW via MAN anybody think it will actually happen ?


Surely TD has more of an imagination than that?! I find the above quote difficult to believe. But if it's true, someone in pilot management should tell him what the B7L87 is capable of! Why would anyone fly from LGW via MAN to SFB when between FCA/TOM/MON/BA and Virgin it's possible to go direct!?

I would expect GSM's B7L87's to venture into SE Asia and beyond...

[GW76]

If its like last year then NEOS will start about May

[icemanalgeria]

Don't think NEOS will be in the UK this year.

[LES353]

Where does that leave globespan then???

[luvly jubbly]

It leaves us getting 1 or maybe 2 aircraft from somewhere else. Deffo not NEOS for S08 tho!

[fiffio]

You can tell when the route will be leased out by looking at the flight times.

Round about the 24th May on the GS timetable the flight times decrease by around 1-2 hours, this is when the complaints will stop I reckon as a reputable company will take over the route.

Les we will miss this and will be on the 757 tourist route service, the only saving grace is that we're on the Thursday flight so will only be delayed in arriving by an hour on top of the extra hour and 30 minutes that they have already added to our flight time to cover such delays!!!!!

If it was the saturday flight then its gonna be nearer to 6 hours delayed before take off.

Surely as the momentum builds up over the next few weeks and more and more customer are unhappy watchdog will do a piece on them and put the final nail in? I've already told 3 different people not to use them and 2 have now booked elsewhere.

C'mon GS what you gonna pull out the hat?

[mm0wkj]

Well spotted fiffio, I hadnt been looking that far ahead on their sched.. Nice one.

Lets see how they cope with the busy April/May period with a 757 and no ETOPS...

[LES353]

Hi fiffio, i too have also told a couple of my friends about the delays/uncertainty and they have decided to go with first choice instead, where there prices werent too much above globespans and least they can have a restful build up to their holiday unlike us!!!

Its a pity that GS are being this way with paying customers as it would have been good to have a service from Glasgow to Orlando and if it had been done properly I think a lot more people would use them but with all the delays etc recently it is putting people off.

Suppose will have to wait until we actually fly to see what delays etc are like but all this worry before hand isnt helping matters

[fiffio]

heard the GS advert on forth one last night and thought it was hilarious! Another waste of money when word of mouth will have cost them more passengers than an advert could ever replace!

I hope the poor sods who show interest after hearing it do their homework and choose another airline. The only way that GS are going to realise that you cant consistently and more important knowingly treat paying customers like this is when those customer numbers dwindle and if theres one thing GS are good at it shooting themselves in the foot!

[fluffjocky]

With the constant and proven history of delays, lack of interest in how they p155 customers about, no support, mis information, lies, BS etc, etc, etc Anyone dumb enough to even contemplating booking through this bunch of money grabbing , self centered twats needs their head examined:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[GSM SCOT]

Anything constructive anyone ?

[jethro15]

Anything constructive anyone ?

Latest I have.

B737-600’s
G-CDKT strd Liverpool since Nov 07 (Allegedly engineless)
G-CDRA / B strd Edinburgh
A proposed lease deal with SAS involving two of the fleet has POSSIBLY fallen through.

B767
As mentioned in post 22 of this thread, there never has been a deal with Neos for the lease of any a/c for this coming summer season. As far as I am aware, there is still a distinct POSSIBILITY that it will be GSM’s own 767’s which will be used for Sum 08. There currently is no deal with any airline for the supply of leased a/c.

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com

[mm0wkj]

GSM Scot.

By asking for anything constructive you may be opening the floodgates... The GSM pages are full of suggestions still unactioned from last year and with the company apparently gearing up to a repeat performance I'm looking forward to the replies you get..

[willy wombat]

In July 2006 my wife and I had to be in Spain the day after my mother (who lives in Edinburgh) 80th birthday which I couldn't really miss. With my southern mindset I was looking at connecting over LGW until my wife enquired whether anyone flew direct EDI to AGP. We flew GSM EDI to AGP bang on time, clean 737-600, friendly crew, fair price, no complaints. Hope that's sufficiently constructive.

[starbusuk]

I'm going GLA-SFB in late April and have booked seats 10E/F. Can anyone advise if these are OK or did I make a big mistake!!! The online seat plan seemed to be a 757, so looks like IcelandAir and not GSMs own 767s.

I have to say, I've been to Barcelona a couple of times with GSM and found a great service withclean 737 and great CC. To me it just seems to be in the longhaul sectors that GSM really let their customers down. Had I known about all the 767/757/737/AirIndia/Neos/IA :confused: goings on I would not have booked with GSM. For the peace of mind I would pay the (little) extra and gone VS via LGW or LHR.

[fiffio]

going on what jethro has stated there could be light at the end of the tunnel.

Surely IF GS are contemplating using their own 767's then they will apply for etops fairly soon? or will they send all the planes the tourist route all summer possibly incurring further delays?

I was under the impression they have not bothered with etops as they were just going to lease the route out towards the end of May? I thought all the troubles we are seeing now is because they are trying to "wing it" until then?

GSM Scot I would love to hear something constructive from GS instead of this burying head in sand mentality or plain lying. At this time GS cannot even say they are even attempting to get etops back!

(I also apologise to you and other GS staff as its not personally aimed at you and I know you guys take enough slack over the last few weeks for decisions made by higher management)

[wee pixie]

Something constructive . . . .

either give all those who have booked to fly GLA-SFB between now and 'summer' their money back or do something to ensure you can deliver what was booked and paid for. A little honesty about schedules and fuel stops wouldn't go amiss.

When you scr*w up (and all airlines do sooner or later) have the decency to look after the pax and give them honest answers.

I have flown to Florida with GSM before (in 2006) and couldn't praise them highly enough. With my rave reviews I probably generated as many customers as their advertising! Now I find myself warning people off because I don't want anyone else to be in the position we are in now, almost dreading a holiday that we should be enjoying looking forward to.

That is what upsets me most, I know Globespan can deliver a first class service, so why don't they seem bothered about doing it?

[GSM SCOT]

FIFFIO how do you know what GSM is doing regarding there etops ?

This will be restored in the near future but to be honest it isn't a big problem right now as there is only one flight per week that would use etops. It will be in place before the summer session starts though.

The two 767-600's are going back to SAS, they are being reconfigured back to the configuration that we got them in with the bulkhead being put back in at the front and seats removed.
The 600 down in LPL is getting heavy maintenance on the landing gear.

[fiffio]

starbus thats a GS 757 your on as thats the same seating plan as we booked our seats under.

the flights times reduce towards the end of May when they may be forced into using their own 767 instead of leasing it out like they must have had planned.

Wonder if they cant get anyone to lease the route to then they will magically get etops just in time for the summer! Walt Disney stuff right enough, I Disney believe a word they say! :p

[GSM SCOT]

It clearly states on the website when you are booking any flight to SFB that there may be a fuel stop.

"Although unlikely, flights may require a brief fuel stop en route subject to weather conditions on the day"

[fiffio]

It isnt a big problem? Non etops with the 757 is causing a delay of at least an hour on each trip which by Saturday flights means its almost a 6 hour delay if not more? It is also physically impossible to be on time to the schedule on the website and of course it will not be updated and you will continue to take bookings knowing this.

Why woud GS bother with etops if they were looking to lease out the route again as they have done the last few years?

You say there might be a fuel stop, is that why GS built an extra hour into the flight time of all flights and now without etops they can't even get within that? infact over an hour on top of that on each flight! Its physically IMPOSSIBLE to make it without a fuel stop!!!

There was a timetable put up that was taken down from this and this was very close and factored in massive delays as each weekend came.

I'm glad massive delays isn't a problem to you.




FIFFIO how do you know what GSM is doing regarding there etops ?

This will be restored in the near future but to be honest it isn't a big problem right now as there is only one flight per week that would use etops. It will be in place before the summer session starts though.

[GSM SCOT]

The 757 is only doing one SFB a week so how can it build up to a 6 hr delay ?

The 757 has flown direct to SFB without a fuel stop as passengers on here have confirmed.


How do you know what GSM is doing regarding its ETOPS or are you just guessing ?

[mm0wkj]

GSM Scot

From the end of this month there will be fri-sat consectutive flights with short turns. In march there will be thurs-fri-sat flights, again with short turn

These are the flights people are worried about and rightly so. Unless you or the company can shed some increasing light on the ETOPS debate and replacement A/C that can get to SFB in a signle hop then there will be at least 6 hours delay on the saturday flight. And yes, that is a guess:hmm:

Unfortunately GSM wont confirm anything so guessing is all pax have at the moment and so far its been remarkably accurate.

Using nothing more than common sence, some 'guessing' and a PC I posted a schedule about a week before the last 2 flights left Glasgow. No need to tell you how close it was as you've no doubt found it by now. Same math, same plane, same route until April and it adds up to delays.

Personally I hope my sched is a mile out and the flights are on time but without changes in the next few weeks I know which one I'd put money on being closer.

If you have more info that will prove every negative post wrong, please let the world know. Not only will we start singing Globespans priases :uhoh: we might even look forward to our holidays.

We wait with eager anticipation. :hmm:

[dicanio10]

GSM SCOT - I would like to thank you for keeping us up to date on the GLA - SFB route. Your info has been very useful.
We are flying this next Saturday and I just hope and pray that we don't have a fuel stop as my missus hates landing/taking off and the only reason we booked this with GSM is because we did it last September in the NEOS 767 with no probs at all. If she knows it will be a 757 next week and possibly a stop in Bangor (she has bad memories of the last time we stopped there!) then it's not going to make for a good holiday!
I've always stuck up for GSM, even with a 5 hour delay going EDI - BCN on business last year but my patience is wearing thin.
All this buying/leasing planes which results in customer dissatisfaction can't be good for business and to be fair, if we get mucked about next week then that's it for me with GSM.
I know it's out of your hands but surely something should be done about customer care before it's too late?
Also, I heard a while back that GSM were launching an EDI - SFB route. This never came off which was disappointing as EDI is much nearer and easier than GLA.
Thanks again GSM SCOT, let's hope the 757 makes it in one hop!

[LES353]

Here here Fiffio & mm0wkj

[mm0wkj]

oops, entered same post again....deleted.:rolleyes:

[GSM SCOT]

The reason the GLA - SFB is operating on a 757 is because the 767 which was to operate the flights this month was damaged by a ground handling truck in GLA. When the 767 is back from MAN it will then operate as planned so there should be no delays due to fuel stops on route

[fiffio]

GSM Scot you say it will be a 767 and was once back it will that going forward, can you now explain to us all how the seating plan both myself and les booked seats on months before the 767 accident is for a 757? ie 3-3.

.......

[dicanio10]

So it might still be possible that the 767 will be back in action by next Saturday?
Fingers crossed!

[GSM SCOT]

If you booked and the seating plan was 3x3 then it was planned to be operated on the 757.

With the 767 coming back from Caracas as the contract was pulled by GSM the SFB was then changed to the 767 but then the aircraft was damaged so its back to the 757 till the 767 is repaired.

[mmeteesside]

OAG Cargo Schedule is showing....

Fri Feb 22 757 BFS BGR
Fri Feb 29 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 01 757 BGR
Fri Mar 07 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 08 757 BGR
Thu Mar 13 757 BGR
Fri Mar 14 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 15 757 BGR
Tue Mar 18 757 BGR
Thu Mar 20 757 BGR
Fri Mar 21 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 22 757 BGR
Tue Mar 25 757 BGR
Thu Mar 27 757 BGR
Fri Mar 28 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 29 757 BGR
and 757's until end of May
767's take over Sat May 24

I would think the 767 will be back sooner though!

HTH

[LES353]

So what happens if the 767 is back by 24.4.08, we have paid £200 to pre-book seat that we choose, if its the 767 we wont get those seats as different layout, would we get the £200 refunded to us!!!! or put into the emg exit seats on the 767

[GW76]

You'll get nothing, and after months of phonecalls and letters you'll be told to read the small print terms and conditions.
First Choice or Virgin (obviously on another date) might have been a better bet.....

[mm0wkj]

GSM Scot.


'With the 767 coming back from Caracas as the contract was pulled by GSM the SFB was then changed to the 767 but then the aircraft was damaged so its back to the 757 till the 767 is repaired'.

Thats excellent news... but why, if that is the case, has another Globespan employee already stated that as soon as the 767 is repaired it is off on another contract?... Yet again we have conflicting information. Does the left hand know what the right is doing at Globespan or are even they 'guessing'?

All we want is confirmation of when and how GSM will get the finger out and show they can and will sustain a regular service ON THEIR OWN. If you are so certain of the 767 coming back, ETOPS being reinstated and all the current rumours and misinformation going away then give us dates... When will it happen?????

The summer season you mentioned could be May as far as the company is concerned but there are a lot of flights with a lot of passengers going before then.. Will they be affected, can the passengers start looking forward to their holidays in the knowledge it will be OK on their flight dates....Can they start enjoying the planning of their holiday instead of checking their insurance small print to see if they can salvage any of it?.

Until someone gives us all dates and we see it happen then we can only assume it 'guessing' by you and its business as usual. No ETOPS, 757 until A.N Other's planes are leased and delays. PROVE US ALL WRONG

[wee pixie]

It clearly states on the website when you are booking any flight to SFB that there may be a fuel stop.

It does now, wasn't there when I booked before the flight times were changed.

"Although unlikely, flights may require a brief fuel stop en route subject to weather conditions on the day"


For 'unlikely' read 'probably', for 'brief' read 'at least an extra hour'.

Of course if you book by phone (as you are required to do if you have a passenger with special needs), you don't see any of this anyway.

Are you saying that the 767 would have been operating all the GLA-SFB flights if it hadn't been damaged the other week?

I do thank anyone who can keep us poor pax updated, I do understand that you guys can only work with what you are given. Still waiting for any positive news. I would really love to be on here in a few weeks making use of the applause smiley and saying our flights with Globepan were the best ever. :D

[757manipulator]

You guys are dreaming if you think a 757 with ANYTHING like a normal load can make SFB without a tech stop.

[IB4138]

I would think the 767 will be back sooner though!

Since the aircraft landed at MAN, it has been parked up. It is not in the Thomas Cook hanger, being worked on.

[dicanio10]

Les - If you are lucky enough to be on the 767 then consider yourself lucky. I would think the seat allocation would be of no significance so I don't know what you're bothered about regarding pre-allocated seats.
Just be thankful a 767 doesn't need a stop in Bangor

[LES353]

dicannio10 - I would rather have a stop in Bangor than lose £200, maybe not a lot of money to you but it is to me.

p.s. before anyone says why pre-book seats when all this uncertainty I didnt know anything about the uncertainty, possible plane changes, delays etc when we booked, it was only a month ago or so I found all this out, if I had known then what I know now I wouldnt have parted with more hard earned cash to pre-book seat that I might not even get if it is not a 757.

[StoneyBridge Radar]

757manipulator

Don't bother wasting your time and effort with informed advice. Some on here are convinced the 75 will routinely go GLA-SFB non-stop. :ugh:

What is most shocking is that many on here who claim it can and will are GSM staff. :=

Show them facts, figures & hard evidence and they react like I do to my phone bill - "I don't believe it...it can't be!" :rolleyes:

Ostritch, sand; you get the picture...? ;)

Stoney

[mm0wkj]

GSM SCOT
'The 757 is only doing one SFB a week so how can it build up to a 6 hr delay ?'

Well it managed 3+ hrs delay GLA- SFB on the 15th and 4+ on the return with no one running into it, breaking a window, loosing a wing or getting lost in the toilet so 6hrs should be easy on multiple flights per week

GSM SCOT
'The 757 has flown direct to SFB without a fuel stop as passengers on here have confirmed.'

Very true. But they were on an ETOPS routing, low load or favourable winds. Go non ETOPS and you are landing.. Whether it be to refuel or to scrape it off the ground, its coming down before SFB.

GSM SCOT
'How do you know what GSM is doing regarding its ETOPS or are you just guessing ? '

Yes we are guessing. Unforunately is based on the information posted all over this and other forums as Globespan are trying to keep it very quiet... So far everyones guessing its been very accurate. More accurate than anything GSM have provided to the contrary.


'With the 767 coming back from Caracas as the contract was pulled by GSM the SFB was then changed to the 767 but then the aircraft was damaged so its back to the 757 till the 767 is repaired'

And that could be some time by all accounts as the 767 has been in Manchester since it was pranged with no repairs being made..


GSM SCOT

ETOPS

'This will be restored in the near future but to be honest it isn't a big problem right now as there is only one flight per week that would use etops. It will be in place before the summer session starts though.'


And by 'near future' do you mean May per chance?

And you try telling the passengers on the upcoming flights who will be delayed 'it isnt a big problem'. Maybe not for GSM, but it sure as hell is for those passengers. You really havent been reading the posts have you?

And let me 'guess'... Summer Session... May again?

C'mon, give us some positive and accurate info and keep the company morale boosting tosh for those who will believe it.

[groundrat]

Yeah...you shouldn't be too worried about the 767 coming back soon-nobody wants to touch it with a barge-pole(just hi-loaders)LOL!Anyway,once it's fixed,who's to say that the same accident won't happen again?let's hope not!!Still,reading the recent posts,it looks as though GSM might be in for another rough summer:uhoh:.Good luck to all the passengers,the handling agents and the crews-if what's gone before is anything to go by then you're all going to need it!!!

[GW76]

Northwest Airlines -Detroit -Frankfurt 4161 miles- regularly operates non-stop on a 757
From airliners.net
"The longest route I have flown on the 757 was a non-stop flight from Orlando to Manchester, with a full passenger load on an Air 2000 757 in 1993. We also has full fuel tanks but it's wasn't really much of a struggle for the plane. The flight time was 7h 41min but we had 9 Tonnes of fuel left on landing out of the 35T we took off with, so plenty of endurance left "
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/66832/?threadid=66832&searchid=66904&s=glasgow+florida+757#ID66904
" remember once flying a Monarch 757 on a Manchester - Bangor - Orlando then home via the reverse route on a 757. On the way back the tailwind was such that we were able to make it back without the stop "
"Our longest B757 route is the LGW to
CLE leg sched. to 9+15 block time. As I said earler
we have 10+10hrs of fuel on board. So most of the time
it can be made without the fuel stop."
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/printthread.php?t=67860
"Yesterday's routed via BGR then down to SFB, 6hours to Bangor then another 3 to SFB but the return flight went non-stop to Glasgow in just under 8 hours. "

You wonder why these people feel the need to lie about the so called phantom direct 757 routings.

[CentreFix25]

I think non-stop return legs are more common due to prevailing winds.

[Mr A Tis]

Your non stop examples are all ETOPS & with a following wind.
Can you be certain GSM will resume ETOPS ?

[StoneyBridge Radar]

GW76

Thanks for proving my point. :ugh:

Give up mate. :cool:

Everyone knows the 75 can very occasionally do SFB-UK non-stop.

You were deliberately selective in choosing to quote CO's LGW-CLE as an example. How many GSM 757s have just 174 seats on them a la CO ? Even with that kind of load, quote"most of the time it can be made without the fuel stop."

I suggest you do a trawl around and see how many OSL or TXL - EWR 757 rotations have dropped into Goose or Gander over the last 12 months. You'd be very surprised.

[Confirmed Must Ride]

Also you will find CO block a number of seats out of the 175 total so pax numbers are reduced thus lowering the load. The is prevelant during all winter sked ops.

BCNEWR is 757 ops with a block to block time of 09:30. Todays flight time planned is 08:36

[757manipulator]

GW76..with regards to your post....
The flight time was 7h 41min but we had 9 Tonnes of fuel left on landing out of the 35T we took off with, so plenty of endurance left "

The most fuel I have ever seen loaded in my 4000hrs of flying 757's was 34.2 tonnes...and that was at a fuel temp of about -20C.

You wonder why these people feel the need to lie about the so called phantom direct 757 routings

Because GW76, they are talking crap.....

Heres a simple bit of maths
757 MTOW 113 tonnes
subtract 34 tonnes...which gives you...79 tonnes....now subtract the dry operating weight..which is generally about 60 tonnes..which gives a usefull payload of 19 tonnes or so:ok: so around 190 punters:ok:
At that weight, and at optimum altitudes the fuel burn AVERAGES 3.8 tonnes per hour, which means tanks dry in around 8hrs and 50 mins.
Got all that?
Now a DIRECT track to SFB ASSUMING no SID's or STAR's is 3566nm, prudence means you plan on 85% of mean winds and further assume an economic cruise mach of .79 or .80 which gives an average ground speed in the region of 420 kts.
420kts/3566nm= 8hrs and 29 mins....before we factor in ANY climb or descent restrictions etc etc.
Therefore you cannot legally operate the flight as you can't carry JAA reserves.
I haven't even considered NAT track restrictions, being assigned an uneconomic cruising level, weather avoidance or NON-ETOP's routings.
An educated and experienced guess tells me that you would need to restrict your payload out of GLA by around 8 tonnes to make the flight even remotely possible.
Hence my comments that you guys are dreaming:ok:

[dicanio10]

Bearing in mind this route is now premium economy or business class, no cattle class, that should cut down the number of pax I would have thought. Therefore, less weight (pax and bags) so not as much fuel burnt.
Clutching at straws of course, but just a thought.:rolleyes:

[Squark7000]

Quote from 757manipulator:
'At that weight, and at optimum altitudes the fuel burn AVERAGES 3.8 tonnes per hour, which means tanks dry in around 8hrs and 50 mins.'

Memo to GSM flight planning: Must get a set of those winglets on the 757.

They would add around 30 minutes to the range for a given payload.

[mm0wkj]

Adding winglets wouldnt matter to GSMs no ETOPS route... Just means they'd push it to Baltimore or somewhere in VA for fuel as opposed further north.

BTW GSM's flight planning have just mastered peeling a banana with their feet. Dont over stress them with technicalities. ;)

757manipulator. Excellent post:D:D detailed and accurate. GSM Scot should take a leaf from your book.

[GW76]

The GSM planners are obviously not a patch on the flight-simmers in here....

[mm0wkj]

GW76.. Now now, that was uncalled for................ Lowering simmers to that level is pushing the bounderies of decency.:E

[757manipulator]

GW76...for the benefit of those of us in the industry who operate this aircraft..please feel free to enlighten us with your insight:ok:

A full 757 can do GLA-SFB- full or empty. More likely on the reverse leg though. Would like to see any evidence to the contrary

Cos your dreaming if you think it will do it upwind....

[JB007]

GW76,

As a B757/B767 pilot - Ditto with 757manipulator:ok:

Reduced payload only. Not commercial sense for a low-cost operator. But then is never ceases to amaze me of the amount of times GSM aircraft are scattered around GLA during the day...???

[StoneyBridge Radar]

To JB007 and 757manipulator, I refer you honourable gentlemen to a comment I made some moments ago........

"Don't bother wasting your time and effort with informed advice. Some on here are convinced the 75 will routinely go GLA-SFB non-stop. :ugh:

What is most shocking is that many on here who claim it can and will are GSM staff. :=

Show them facts, figures & hard evidence and they react like I do to my phone bill - "I don't believe it...it can't be!" :rolleyes:

Ostritch, sand; you get the picture...? " ;)
---------------------------------------------------

Now, don't harangue old GW76 any more, for I fear he may throw what's left of his toys out of the pram. :E

GW76: The GSM planners are obviously not a patch on the flight-simmers in here....

Would love to see their C.V. entries for the past 18 months...Intentionally left blank....perhaps? :p

Stoney

[GW76]

Ive have no real knowledge of 757 operations either way, but just enjoyed creating controversy based on nothing more than a quick google search. I predicted those who would bite- and they didnt let me down. Ill leave it there,good evening :)
Oh and the implication that I was in some way connected with GSM is a little far off the mark. Something else to raise a chuckle none the less:)

[mm0wkj]

A BIG Congratulations to Globespan this morning. GSM 725 to SFB (via BFS) Left its stand BANG ON SCHEDULE at 09:15. http://www.thedibb.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/2beer.gif

One in the eye for me as I predicted todays flight wouldnt leave until 09:30. http://www.thedibb.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/embaressed_smile.gif

Good on you GSM, lets keep up the good work...

Now watching the arrival time in SFB.. Due 15:40 and I predicted 17:10. C'mon GSM, even I'm rooting for you to win....

[JB007]

It's come to this, some are now publically congratulating Globespan for an On Time Departure ...hilarious, they'll be so chuffed!

[Paris Dakar]

We are looking to fly to Sanford from Glasgow next Feb/Mar 09. I contacted Globespan to find out when they will become available to book and I was told to sign-up for their Newsletter (which I have done) and I'll get notified by e-mail.

Can anyone tell me when they are likely to be on sale.

Cheers,

PD

[mm0wkj]

JB007 (http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=10414)

'It's come to this, some are now publically congratulating Globespan for an On Time Departure ...hilarious, they'll be so chuffed!'


Its such a rare occurance on their US route it should headlining tonights news...:)

[Exasperated]

Its such a rare occurance on their US route it should headlining tonights news...

Completely inane and inaccurate remark.

Care for some facts about Glasgow to Sanford and return

Nov 07 (data from CAA for GLA Deps and Arrs - latest available)

Departures

Total 11
On time 6 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 2
60 to 180 mins late 2
over 180 mins late 1

Arrivals

Total 11
On time 9 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 1
60 to 180 mins late 1

BTW I have no connection with GSM and have never flown with the, just abhor speculation and conjecture.

Ex

[Skipness One Echo]

This whole thread is becoming slightly obsessive and borderline creepy. What is this obsession with Glasgow to Sanford? There are a host of other one stop options on scheduled services or the numerous charter runs to Mickey Mouse land. If you have doubts, there's always Virgin, BA, MyTravel, First Choice, Continental, US Airways etc etc.
I think this whole thing boils down to feeling protective over what some see as Scotland's flag carrier !! That's so last century.
I do sometimes feel proud to see flyGlobespan aircraft overhead, though oddly they are usually turning pretty racetrack patterns in the Lambourne hold before being handed off to Heathrow Director and not actually carrying flyGlobespan punters.

[Richard Taylor]

Bit like saying British Airways are still Britain's flag carrier, huh? :hmm:

That's SO last century as well!!! :rolleyes:

[mm0wkj]

'Completely inane and inaccurate remark.
Care for some facts about Glasgow to Sanford and return
Nov 07 (data from CAA for GLA Deps and Arrs - latest available)
Departures
Total 11
On time 6 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 2
60 to 180 mins late 2
over 180 mins late 1
Arrivals
Total 11
On time 9 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 1
60 to 180 mins late 1
BTW I have no connection with GSM and have never flown with the, just abhor speculation and conjecture.
Ex'

Very true. Unfortunatley the issues being talked about just now is for this year with GSM's own A/C. Your data relates to 2007 where the route was covered predominantly by leased in A/C and crews. More importantly the issues relate to flights in the next few weeks and before more leasing 'fixes' it again . If you have any up to date information then by all means let us know..:ok:

[dicanio10]

"What is this obsession with Glasgow to Sanford? There are a host of other one stop options on scheduled services or the numerous charter runs to Mickey Mouse land. If you have doubts, there's always Virgin, BA, MyTravel, First Choice, Continental, US Airways etc etc"
No there isn't from Scotland. All of the above go direct out of English airports except My Travel which we have done in the past.
If we wanted to stop en-route (which we don't) then there are a million options open to us, some are even a few quid cheaper.
The obsession with Glasgow to Sanford is because this is the route that Mickey fans up here use.:ugh:

[mm0wkj]

.... and lets not forget that the information on this forum comes from a vast and varied membership, the majority of those are in the aviation industry.
That means the people who have been struggling to get any information from the company in question are piecing together what ever snippets they can gather from this and other forums and getting very accurate updates 'through the back door'.

If Globespan were more honest and forthcoming with the information there wouldn't be the need for posts whose contents are 'minor this', 'innane that' but as its the only answers people are getting then I'm sure they appreciate it.

If you are personally affected by GSM and these posts help, then it was worth posting. If you are not directly affected then simply posting to slate the information or supplying data that is out of date is not only wasting your time, but the time of those having to trawl through the trash to find the info they want.

....that includes posts that dont even mention Globespan!!!:rolleyes:

[Manxman11]

"Bit like saying British Airways are still Britain's flag carrier, huh? :hmm:

That's SO last century as well!!! :rolleyes: "


Quite right - they are London's flag carrier now - screw the rest if Britain as far as they are concerned :suspect:

[Skipness One Echo]

Actually Glasgow to Orlando currently has the direct option with XL, Travel City Direct, Virgin, MyTravel and First Choice for summer 2008.

I (dis)agree, British Airways should have remained losing money, flying empty aeroplanes full of recycled fresh air and few passengers, from the "regions" into Europe and the US. Forgetting the fact that they got their asses kicked by the competition and they were bleeding money on virtually all their routes. I do fly BA though, as I feel at home when I stop on board a BA flight abroad, they have lots of Scottish staff and they have a ( often thought not always !! ) reliable product.

In fairness, they also operate a raft of flights from Glasgow and Edinburgh into both London hubs, allowing one stop flights to most of the world. BA CAN'T fly direct from Scotland and make money, every passenger flying direct is one less through London which is what their business model is geared to do. Works for them, makes money. flyglobespan bypass the hub and take you direct to where you want to go, ( occasionally not non stop :P though) and have done great things for direct destinations from Scotland. easyJet weren't doing much fast, nor were bmi Baby and Jet2 aren't a player. We have a lot to be grateful to flyglobespan for.

HOWEVER, if and when Virgin start taking their B787s, I reckon they'll base one at Glasgow for the Orlando service. That would be a better option I think.

[CorkEICK]

A BIG Congratulations to Globespan this morning. GSM 725 to SFB (via BFS) Left its stand BANG ON SCHEDULE at 09:15.

One in the eye for me as I predicted todays flight wouldnt leave until 09:30.

Good on you GSM, lets keep up the good work...

Now watching the arrival time in SFB.. Due 15:40 and I predicted 17:10. C'mon GSM, even I'm rooting for you to win....



GSM725 22 Feb 2008

Glasgow to Belfast
Sched dep: 0915 gmt
Actual dep: 0943 gmt
Sched Arr: 0955 gmt
Actual Arr: 1015 gmt

Belfast to Bangor
Sched dep: 1045 gmt
Actual dep: 1117 gmt
Sched Arr: 1655 gmt
Actual Arr: 1759 gmt

Bangor to Orlando Sanford
Sched dep: 1740 gmt
Actual dep: 1853 gmt
Sched Arr: 2040 gmt
Actual Arr: ??? gmt

[TSR2]

Actual Arrival .... 22.05 GMT

[fiffio]

TSR what 2moros lottery numbers? You seem to know actual arrival times before the plane lands?

:)

[wee pixie]

What is this obsession with Glasgow to Sanford?


Because, that's where we want to go :rolleyes: we booked direct flights from GLA-SFB, doesn't look like we'll be getting them :(.

Actually Glasgow to Orlando currently has the direct option with XL, Travel City Direct, Virgin, MyTravel and First Choice for summer 2008.


Easter holidays do not fall in summer, if I wanted to go in summer I would certainly have booked elsewhere. There is no other option for direct flights from GLA at this time of year. However we keep hearing that Globespan will have it all sorted for summer, wonder when they think that is? :confused:

HOWEVER, if and when Virgin start taking their B787s, I reckon they'll base one at Glasgow for the Orlando service. That would be a better option I think.

Depends on price, so far from GLA they are simply the most expensive option, better, maybe, but only if you can afford to pay over the odds.

Actual Arrival .... 22.05 GMT

What with people who think February is in Summer and now those who can see into the future, do you guys inhabit a parallel universe or something :confused:

I think you'll find many of us have come to this forum looking for answers because Globespan are not giving us any.

[qwertyuiop]

Wee pixie,

You have every chance of getting a direct flight fro GLA-SFB. In airline terms, a direct flight means no change of aircraft. Refueling stops don't prevent the flight being direct.

If you want to avoid a tech stop, you need a non stop flight.

[mm0wkj]

Oh well, no need to put my sched times and differences up now. Everyone else is doing it:D.

BTW, the times I put up were local to make it easy.. 22:05 is 17:05 local so the sched I posted early Feb for today is 15 mins off departure, 5 off arrival.

Just goes to prove whats been said all along. The GSM Schedule cannot be maintained and they need to alter it (officially) so people can make the required plans around it. Roll on next week with back to back flights Fri-Sat and a short turn...

GSM Scot.. got your excuses ready yet??? or you still trying to work out how everyone and their cat can see the holes on the sched and no one at Globespan can?:hmm:

[wee pixie]

If you want to avoid a tech stop, you need a non stop flight.

Aplogies for my incorrect teminology, I knew what I meant, takeoff, bit of flying, landing at destination airport, that sort of thing. But where would I get one of those? Certainly not from GLA with Globespan :( They don't seem to know where they are going or when they can expect to get there, or if they do they are not telling.

[TSR2]

Ooooops ...... Well my time machine was only 5 mins out. Actually landed at 22.10. Sorry about that, mis-read the information.

[Pembo330]

Anyone know what a GSM 738 was doing in Kuala Lumpur this morning? Got quite a shock when I saw the local fella sat at a gate I was walking past....

[dicanio10]

G-CDEG is on lease to GMG Bangladesh Airlines until April 08. Could have been that one:)

[GSM SCOT]

Excuses for what ?

[wee pixie]

GSM Scot, some posters believe that Globespan will not be able to meet their advertised schedules when frequency of flights increases on the GLA-SFB route (starting later this week and on through March and April).

Are Globespan confident they can meet the schedule they advertise for flights in March and beyond? If so then no excuses will be necessary and we'll all be :D I do hope so.

[Pembo330]

Thanks DiCanio!:)

[GSM SCOT]

mm0wkj how did we do on fri-sat GLA-BFS-SFB-BFS-GLA ?

[StoneyBridge Radar]

Now Now Scot.

We all know the real actual routeing was GLA-BFS-BGR-SFB-BFS-GLA

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GSM725/history/20080222/1117Z/EGAA/KBGR

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GSM725/history/20080222/1854Z/KBGR/KSFB

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GSM726

Stoney

[mm0wkj]

GSM scot.

You did very well. Take it you didnt see the congratuations post?. Just proves you can do it (eastbound) but delay was as predicted Westbound. Still....1/2 way there is a HUGE improvement. :D

Looking forward to the back to back flights this week...:hmm:

[caaardiff]

Who really cares? Just the few people on here? Passengers will speak with their credit cards... not on an airline forum! GSM royally messed up last year.
The media will be watching them. Pax have heard of or experienced them and forums spread bad words about them. If they have any sense they will be working extra hard to improve. Hopefully they have learned from their mistakes and will sort stuff out ready for the summer season.

One question i have, How full are these flights that are going via BGR? If pax get a good deal they will fly anyone (Look at Ryanair!)
Is the stop off really that big a deal? Airlines did it for years before. Monarch still do it every so often with A300's to rescue delayed/tech A330's/767 flights.
Its obviously some kind of commercial decision thats been made and people should live with. Again, if you dont like it, dont fly them! The 767 will be back for summer.

No-one has raised the shocking winter season Thomsonfly have had, with only 4 of the 8 767's in the country. (4 leased to Garuda) and a very tight long haul program for both themselves and P&O flights. They had massive delays some weeks that were hard to recover from.
Zoom haven't had the greatest few months either both the Canadian and UK airlines.
Z4123 due to depart GLA at 1500 is still "scheduled" Why hasn't anyone picked up on that?
Chill out people. If GSM messes it up the select few can sit there with big 'i told u so' grins :E
If they pull it back and make it a success then good on them and give them a break!:D
They are a very successful short haul carrier and went a bit crazy with their long haul program, which has been tightened up for the coming summer

[mm0wkj]

Caaardiff

'......went a bit crazy with their long haul program, which has been tightened up for the coming summer'

So they keep telling everyone:*

[fluffjocky]

Caaardiff. You've changed your tune. Back in Nov you were slating them as well... What happened. You get suckered into their relentless stream of BS?... :cool:

Poor soul.

[caaardiff]

I'd hardly say slating them.
All i'm saying is last year was a disaster, they know this and hopefully they have learned from their mistakes ready for this year.
Just because they are flying a 757 to SFB (which seems to be the main topic) for whatever reason doesn't mean they may not sort things out by the summer. They are not the first airline to do it, and wont be the last. If it bothered the passengers that much then the flights would be going empty and they would pull the route.
If things dont improve, then more fool them and i take it all back

[mm0wkj]

The problem isnt with them flying the 757 accross the pond, it the fact they are doing nothing to reinstate ETOPS on the route when using it.
They know its going to take longer and are hiding behind it stating its only adding 1-1.5 hours or so to the flight. That maybe true but they are omitting adding that as from next week, the flights start to go back to back with short turns so the 1.5 hour turn they have scheduled has just vanished on the longer route.

Next flight out leaves late, arrives late and the delays accumulate. If it was a one off and there was no evidence to show it wasn't going to be regular then there wouldnt be a problem. Fact is it is obvious, there is evidence and even on just a single flight a week with an overnight turn it is regular.

Despite being asked directly GSM dont tell anyone anything, they wont admit there will be delays so the passengers cant make alternative arrangements to cover. THAT IS WHAT THE POSTS ARE ABOUT.... If everyone would read the posts (that have information and not whiners and moaners) and actually absorb the information being written they would see that..

GSM can make it all go away simply by changing the schedules NOW so passengers can make proper arrangements and not have to wait until checkin to have it confirmed. They havent, and as it stands their sched is about as believable as the stories of them getting ETOPS back 'in the near future'.:rolleyes:

Dont like the posts... Fine, but simply adding to the trash when people are trying to get info from a forum that just might be able to help isnt doing them or you any good.

[Exasperated]

THAT IS WHAT THE POSTS ARE ABOUT.... If everyone would read the posts (that have information and not whiners and moaners) and actually absorb the information being written they would see that..


That is a bit rich coming from someone who has 82 posts, every single one negative about GSM.

The rest of the post is pure speculation as usual.

EX

[Exasperated]

'Completely inane and inaccurate remark.
Care for some facts about Glasgow to Sanford and return
Nov 07 (data from CAA for GLA Deps and Arrs - latest available)
Departures
Total 11
On time 6 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 2
60 to 180 mins late 2
over 180 mins late 1
Arrivals
Total 11
On time 9 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 1
60 to 180 mins late 1
BTW I have no connection with GSM and have never flown with the, just abhor speculation and conjecture.
Ex'

Very true. Unfortunatley the issues being talked about just now is for this year with GSM's own A/C. Your data relates to 2007 where the route was covered predominantly by leased in A/C and crews. More importantly the issues relate to flights in the next few weeks and before more leasing 'fixes' it again . If you have any up to date information then by all means let us know..


Apologies I should have checked whether the flights were operated by GSM it does make a difference

You did ask for info

Dec 07 (data from CAA for GLA Deps and Arrs - now available)
Departures
Total 7
On time 3 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 2
31 to 60 mins late 2
60 to 180 mins late 0
over 180 mins late 0
Arrivals
Total 8
On time 6 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 1
31 to 60 mins late 0
60 to 180 mins late 0
over 360 mins late 1 (already documented as tech aircraft)

Ex

[Skipness One Echo]

Speculation aside, do we KNOW what is operating the long haul program this summer yet? I understand that B767s G-CDPT and G-CEFG are remaining with Air India for the summer....so is it the case that they will have the B757 and the remaining B767?

[scotsunflyer]

B757 should operate the Hamilton flights, through the regional airports.

2 B767 are still required, one for SFB and one for the other Canadian flights.

[mm0wkj]

Exasperated.. ' The rest of the post is pure speculation as usual.'


Yet another who didnt read the previous posts and absorb.... Speculation?. Maybe... But until proven otherwise its closer to the mark than GSM will admit.... And has been proven correct so far.


As for the number of posts re GSM... Since their incompetence has personally affected me, my family and friends then its the only company I've been interested in finding out about.
After last year, no one thought they could be as bad again but we've been proved wrong there havent we..
Had it been any other airline who had done the same then it would be them being posted about. But then you DID read all of the posts so you know that already.....dont you?:ugh:
And unlike many who appear to have time to spend posting against posts I'd prefer trying to get some info and data that can be used.

If you dont have anything positive to add, or information interested passengers might be able to use then dont post. If all you want to do is slate posts to see your own text in type, send a PM to the poster and if they feel inlcined to waste time feeding your need of attention then they'll reply.

When GSM do something right on the SFB route then it will be posted about.. unfortunately they havent done much of that.... but again, you've read the posts so already know ..... dont you??



Exasperated... Sorry if this came across a bit fierce. Just fed up trying to get info from GSM, and people who havent been affected by their stupidy passing comments on posts where pax are simply trying to get answers.
If you feel personally insulted or offended I apologise.:O

[bluscotsman2]

are the neos coming for the summer,im due to fly out to sfb mid jun and would like a rough idea which plane i would be on.Keep hearing everything will be fine for the summer but a little reasurrance would be appreciated

[Exasperated]

Since their incompetence has personally affected me, my family and friends then its the only company I've been interested in finding out about.


Now that explains a lot.

End of discussion, no point really, you already have your agenda and that won't change.

Ex

[wee pixie]

We hear a lot about how all will be fine come the summer. Can someone define 'summer' for me. From our booking reference (S08) it would seem we are booked to travel in Summer 08 but the timetable on Globespan's website has our flight listed as Winter 07 with Summer 08 beginning on April Fool's Day :rolleyes: Is there something due to happen on April 1st which will suddenly improve things or can we still be hopeful for improvements sooner or what?

[GSM SCOT]

What other airline discusses there plans with passengers ?
Can you imagine phoneing up BRITISH AIRWAYS and asking when they are going to get there ETOPS back.

mm0wjk what information do you have regarding what GSM are doing to restart ETOP flights ? I will tell you, NONE and because you don't have any information you asume, incorrectly that they are doing nothing.

[mm0wkj]

So GSM Scot. Enlighten us all re ETOPS then. Saying nothing, getting no answers and the question is body swerved or ignored at every turn.

Still no updates on the scheds, still no info passed to pax, still no confirmation that GSM are doing anything to improve situation.. If you are so absolutely positive about it, tell us all when it will be reinstated, or are we to 'assume' it will magically appear when and if replacement A/C arrive from a company that can meet the CAA maintenace levels required and you 'Magically' start flying ETOPS routes again? I feel a body swerve, slopey shoulder answer coming.....:rolleyes:

Maybe you can answer at least one question without dropping you or the company in it though.. When, exactly does this mystical 'Summer Season' actually start on the GSM calander?. Not 'Near Future' but a definitive date. Not a difficult question or are you and GSM as uncertain on that as you are on the ETOPS:ugh:

Honestly, you'd think GSM only employed politicians the way the avoid answering direct questions...:oh:


BTW, liked your comment re airlines telling pax anything.. That from the company hand book too?

[INKJET]

The question ought to be " can you imagine BA having their ETOPS removed" sorry that should be " can you imagine BA asking the CAA to remove their ETOPS approval" come on GSM we all know Globespan have had a rough time and are working hard to sort things out (see add in Flight) there main problem seem to stem from long haul ops, it looks to me like the previous FOD thought going long haul was like going to AGP, only a bit further??

They clearly have access to funds, so with some fresh blood and some time they may have turned a corner

[wee pixie]

What other airline discusses there plans with passengers ?
All airlines publish flight times they intend/are able to keep to. Globespan staff tell pax who query flight times that they don't intend to follow the published schedules but cannot tell them what schedules they do intend to follow. :confused:

Can you imagine phoneing up BRITISH AIRWAYS and asking when they are going to get there ETOPS back.

No, I cannot imagine any circumstances where that would arise, BA have never lost nor volunteered to give up their ETOPS. But if BA were the ones with heads in sand and hundreds of very worried and disgruntled pax, I expect we'd be reading about it all over the media and certainly on here.

I cannot understand why any airline whose reputation for long haul is going down the proverbial pan is witholding information which could help to save their name. From the avoidance of answering any questions on this forum and elsewhere we can only assume that there is no such information or that nobody posting here has access to it. Pax (and some other interested parties) are being left to assume the worst and speculate, it must surely be sensible to counter that if you can.

[dicanio10]

It's just occured to me, do pax have to vacate the aircraft and go through immigration at Bangor during a fuel stop nowadays. Did this about 20 years ago. Plane load of holidaymakers trooping through a one man security operation. Would have been ok if he didn't keep asking everyone if they knew his aunt in Leeds!

And GSM SCOT - I guess the 767 is still grounded at MAN so it will be the 757 this Saturday?

[Four Fishes]

Hmmm. I see Ryanair are muscling into EDI (PMI etc)

Wonder what that's going to do to GSM's market share.....?:ouch:

[mm0wkj]

dicanio10

Pax dont get off at Bangor so its down, fill er up and off again thankfully.

Cabin crew were talking about another contract for the 767 but its gone quite on that front. Last we heard it was still in Man after the hi lifter prang with no repairs yet so 757 on the scenic route Fri-Sat-Sun....

[GSM SCOT]

Incorrect: 767 was repaired at the start of the week.

This weekend the 757 AND the 767 will operate the SFB.

[dicanio10]

Cheers mm0wkj

[mm0wkj]

GSM Scot

EXCELLENT news. Something positive and accurate at last. Much appreciated, thank you.:D:D:D

[wee pixie]

Thanks for that info GSM SCOT, watching and hoping . . . . . . .

[mm0wkj]

GSM Scot... forgot to ask. do you know if this is to be regular over the next few weeks?

[mm0wkj]

GSM Scot.... well done mate:D.. Info was spot on and no extra delay added to the overnight from SFB last night with the 767 boarding for the return hop as I type... If GSM keep this up we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

Any news on if the 75/76 rotations will continue?