Can I do PPL/CPL/IR THEN the ATPL Theory?

[AIR SEYCHELLES 787]

Hello and Happy New Year to All,

I did a search for an an answer to the above question but was unable to find an answer.

I was wondering if it would be possible to do all the licenses before doing the ATPL, for instance, if I did my PPL. CPL and IR in say spain and then returned to the UK to do ATPL exams, would I then be given a fATPL by the CAA? Many thanks to anyone that can answer this question,

AS787

[dontpressthat]

Quite simply, nope.. :sad:

DPT

[AIR SEYCHELLES 787]

DPT,
Thanks for the reply and impressively quick as well! so to ask a similar question, is it possible to do ATPL ground school at the same time as the CPL?

AS787

[dontpressthat]

In order to sit ATPL theory exams you must have at minimum a PPL. Also the ATPL study must be completed in conjunction with a recognised flight training organisation. You can complete CPL training alongside CPL exams but these differ from the ATPL exams.

If in doubt search the forums, there are loads of similar threads with invaluble information. Hope that helps.

DPT

[AIR SEYCHELLES 787]

An again DPT many thanks for replying. What i simply wanted to do was get all my flight training before I did my theory. I assumed I could complete the PPL, CPL then IR before doing my ATPL theory exams, but looks like I'll have to do it the standard, PPL ATPL Theory, CPL then IR way.

AS787

[HappyFran]

Approved Integrated Courses run from zero straight into ATPL theory with out student ever sniffing a cockpit, so I am assuming your comment that you need a PPL to start the theory is probably not true.
Though having said that I do believe most classroom based FTO's require a PPL to start the course, I am not sure if this is the FTO or CAA/JAA requirement .

[Whirlygig]

As far as I am aware for fixed wing (certainly the case for helicopter training), you cannot commence a commercial flying course until you have passed the appropriate theory; either CPL or ATPL theory.

There is no ATPL flying course. An ATPL is granted upon completion of required experience and hours.

Cheers

Whirls

[hollingworthp]

You DEFINETELY do NOT require a PPL to sit the theory exams.

[Re-Heat]

Only on integrated do you not need PPL hollingworth.

[ab33t]

Correct integerated works in stages anyway so by the time you get to your ATPL you would have done PPL and many hours of the CPL/IR . You would need to pass the ATPL theory to do any of the check rides .

[dontpressthat]

Approved Integrated Courses run from zero straight into ATPL theory with out student ever sniffing a cockpit, so I am assuming your comment that you need a PPL to start the theory is probably not true.


Happy fan.. RTFQ!! just incase you didnt read it properly.... I was wondering if it would be possible to do all the licenses before doing the ATPL, for instance, if I did my PPL. CPL and IR in say spain and then returned to the UK to do ATPL exams, would I then be given a fATPL by the CAA? Many thanks to anyone that can answer this question,




Actually my coment IS true as the poster of this thread wasnt asking about integerated which is the only way you can do exams before flying.

DPT

[Nichibei Aviation]

You DEFINETELY do NOT require a PPL to sit the theory exams.

PPL is required for modular ATPL theory exam.
PPL is not required for ATPL theory exam in integrated.

You can do PPL/CPL/IR without doing the ATPL theory, but taking instead the PPL theory, IR theory, CPL theory exams separetely for the respective courses.

The ATPL theory is not something I would run away from, but it is a possibility.


I was wondering if it would be possible to do all the licenses before doing the ATPL, for instance, if I did my PPL. CPL and IR in say spain and then returned to the UK to do ATPL exams, would I then be given a fATPL by the CAA? Many thanks to anyone that can answer this question



YES you can do that.

[Whirlygig]

Why do the 9 CPL exams and then do 14 ATPL exams, when you can just do 14 ATPL exams!!

Cheers

Whirls

[AIR SEYCHELLES 787]

Gentlemen/ Ladies, many thanks for your responses.

Whirlygig, the reason I was looking at doing things this way as I wanted to do all my flying exams to ensure continuity, and then do my theory exams alongside pleasure flying to keepy my experience up. It would be a quicker way to get all my licenses as well, and therefore I was willing to do both the cpl and ATPL exams.

AS787

[D O Guerrero]

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[spacepodlife]

Quite simply, nope..The answer is actually yes.
You can take a PPL, then a CPL/IR and then sit the ATPL written.

However, since the ATPL theory can replace the whole CPL/IR theory, this would be a waste of time and money but not a waste of experience. This is why everybody jumps from PPL to ATPL written.

In my opinion sitting the ATPL theory with a CPL/IR in your hands will give you a great advantage.

[dontpressthat]

F:mad:ing hell......!!!!!! im sure some people just want an argument here.. Seychelles said What i simply wanted to do was get all my flight training before I did my theory. The straightforward answer surely is no or loads of people would do it that way.

DPT

[patron]

hi your comment is completly true,

and second thing is if you know some advice about any fly school in madrid or barccelona to let me know plsss.

thanks....

[BHenderson]

It doesn't matter what the regulations say, it's what the organisation's FTO manual says, as these are always more stringent. E.g. You can techincally start your CPL without the ATPL/CPL exams, but I would bet most FTO manuals state the student must have passed the exams.