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[big_kev]

Does any one know if this mob are still in operation?
And what are they like?

[flying_flick]

Make sure you get good phone reception

[sugarbirdlady]

dont even bother!!!!!

BONDS BONDS and more BONDS

:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=

wake up and smell the cheese mr bushflight

$5000 bond for an airvan check flight :mad: off

[WOMBAT 04]

Yeah, go next door instead and get a $5500 bond for a BN2 or a PA31. There are plenty of jobs going according to their website. You're bound to get one of them even if you aren't qualified or experienced.

Sugarbabe have you had dealings with this mob or knowledge through others?

WOMBAT.

[sugarbirdlady]

wombat

i know some guys who have been there, all onto better things now:D

but the stories they told of their treatment and the hidden costs they were presented with, with regards to type ratings, leaves a foul taste in my mouth

pilots , take a stand and avoid this operator:ok::ok:

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

$5000 bond for an Airvan check? They land themselves anyway.

Just walk away.

[aileron_69]

Its only 4 grand for the airvan check to line and if you're a good bargain man you can get them down to less than 2!!
They really are just like a big lazy 152, although I have seen some collossally screwed up landings in them!!
Im just glad the company I work for has the wonderful little phrase "all training and aircraft conversion training costs shall be covered by the company" etched in the Ops Manual

[Up For Water]

I heard that one of their land pilots wanted to get into the float side flying the beaver and they wanted to bond him for $15,000 for convertion and ICUS training WTF:eek:

[MACH082]

I suggest turning right on the road to kununurra and avoiding going within koo'ee of derby.

leave bush flight for the sheep shaggers and we will quarantine them all in Derby:D:ok:

[sugarbirdlady]

malley

i agree with all you have to say:ok:

15k is bullsh*t

i have heard of 1 guy who did the training and was then handed a documents staing this is what you owe us:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Come on bushflight pilots stand up for yourselves, you tolerate it now, it makes it harder for the next guy...

for once in the history of aviation, our services are in high demand, grow a back bone and tell mr bushflight where to stick it, whats he going to do sack the lot of you

i dont think so

shame on you mr bushflight:=

[WOMBAT 04]

Damn right Dell!

Seems things changed after NC moved on. He got them the main contract and just like he, it also departed for better pastures. Much like the rest of the original 'Bread-van' drivers, regulations, standards, c206 pods, customers, etc etc etc.

WOMBAT.

[the wizard of auz]

Come on bushflight pilots stand up for yourselves, you tolerate it now, it makes it harder for the next guy...

Is there any left? When I left the district, they were down to two........and one was doing ICUS.

[sugarbirdlady]

hey wiz, thanks for that

remaining bushflight pilot(s), do yourselves a favour and find an operator who can make money out of his aircraft, as it seems mr bushflight needs to supplement his income by taking money out of your pockets, whilst he pays a below award wage....

anyone ever seen a bonus???

times are too good to be putting up with this sort of rubbish, jobs for low time guys almost daily on afap..

there is no need to be treated the way you are..

think about that

[aileron_69]

Ok capt' Inspironi, thats a big low brow, bagging the crew out. I happen to know all of them very well and they're a good bunch of blokes who do their best under trying circumstances. The GM fits all of your descriptions there to a tee, I will give you that, but who on the actual crew are u refering to with your comment that they:

Lack any standards
Put themselves before customers
Break CASA rules
Lose customers

Its fine to bag out a management structure, or lack thereof, but if you're going to knock the crew, back it up!!

Oh yeah, it was $18000 bond for the floats not $15000 as someone quoted.

[sugarbirdlady]

$18000

for a float endorsement, what is it an amphibious embraer

malley

my problem is these guys are in position not too far from slavery, they get a job there and then cant afford to leave as the bond is too high, so hence they get stuck there, whilst there is all this movement around them.

bonding at this level in the industry in my opinion is completely unacceptable, im so vocal about all of this because i have known a couple of guys who have been thru mr bushflights world and it took them some time to get back on their feet..

i agree lets encourage people to bypass derby and i agree again lets get these blokes jobs

ppruners if you know of some leads lets place these pilots:D

bushflight pilots hold on, we will try and lead you to greener pasture:ok:

[landof4x]

Is this the company that teaches turn backs? Take an almost empty, well performing cessna single, take off on a 2000m runway, fail the engine at 500' and complete a turnback to show how "real bush pilots can save the day".

What a joke. It proves why someone with mainly private flying experience shouldn't run a commercial operation.

His 200 hour newbie will have an engine failure one day, on a hot day in a MTOW aircraft, on a 600m runway and think he can safely complete a turnback. I CAN NOT BELIEVE that someone without any training qualifications is teaching young hour guys what has been proven over the years to be an horrifically dumb and usually fatal mistake, namely stall spin crash burn die. I hope he realises he is playing with people's lives.

[WOMBAT 04]

and breathe....nice and slow, and again, breathe.....thats better now isn't it!!!
Hahaha, Western, i thought you were hyperventilating before.

I hope you didn't pay the $4500? Please tell me you told em to get F:mad:ed?

WOMBAT.

[westernman]

To bloody right i did.
I have not been this angry for a long time.
They can threaton all the legal action they want but at the end of the day there gunna get the bird!!!!

aileron 69 is that you mate

[sugarbirdlady]

westernman, good onya mate for tellin em where to stick it, like you say they can threaten all they like nothing is going to come of it these things dont tend to get well in the courts for operators, and should it come to that it may be time to inform the regualtor of just what is going on up there, turnbacks how f*kn ridiculous, sounds like CAO 48 doesnt apply to mr bushflight as well

who would be silly enough to get bonded for $18000 for a float job, if i was that guy i would quietly pack my bags and leave town (jobs are plentiful without ridiculous bonds) and never mention to anyone again that i had worked for mr bushflight, its not going to help get another job anyway

i have to say im enjoying all of this, KARMA is a word adrian and rod and here it comes, you reap what you sow, i said it in a previous thread, your employees are your greatest asset, but yet you still dont listen:=

[westernman]

dont apply for work there

[big_kev]

I used to work there and i started this thread because i still want to fly floats!It looks like nothing has changed though it was probably for the best that they fired me.

How many have they fired just wondering and how many have quit?

[aileron_69]

In the last year or so:

Pilots who Quit:
NC
MS
SD
NG
PD
BH
BT
MT
PK
KD
TW
GR
SP
GB
CH

Pilots Fired
KB

Think I got them all thats all I can think of at the mo.

[sugarbirdlady]

what did they fire you for kev?

my guess is you are an independant thinker, need no supervision, get the job done, have above average skills, and can talk to clients.....

i can see why you didnt fit in:ok:

[aileron_69]

Post 2 hints at why kev went to that big airvan down the road. RIP good buddy

[Iceberg92]

hey Kev, love the thread, seems like the "man" has a real problem. I heard a rumour that this mob were among the first to introduce random Drug and alcohol testing as well. no wonder the boys and girls are on hot bricks. seems one that refused to pee in the bottle for a time was told that not to do so would be read as "a positive". he was shaking in his boots apparently, not much wonder he hates the gm. i even have a name for that bloke if you want it and yes the initials are around and on the departed list.

[kongdong]

so much love on here right now... so many people with so much hate and WAY too much time

[Flying Meat Cleaver]

Yeah I think your right, way too much time.

Why have people become so involved in dishing out sh%t on their current or former employers these days!? Obviously you all have good reasons for it but how about everyone just take a deep breath and see how childish it all is. Build a bridge and get over it. It is Christmas time after all. How about everyone just chill.

Something bad must be in the water in Derby these days!

FMC.

[Launchpad McQuack]

It takes very little time to check the forums. Perhaps they have issues because said employer is in fact a w:mad:r....and perhaps if you guys had worked for them (I haven't) then you might understand?

Unfortunately, based on what I've heard around the traps recently, comments made in this thread about the said operator are spot-on.

LP

[kongdong]

Exactly my point. You HAVEN'T worked there making anything that you say hearsay and most likely an inaccurate representation of the truth. It is unfortunate that there is so much of this 'I heard from my uncle's cousin's brother's sister's ex-boyfriend's mum that......' on PPrune. I understand that many posting on this thread have in fact worked at this company, so lets leave the opinions up to people who actually have first-hand experience with the operator.

KD

[WOMBAT 04]

Well it seems that yes there is some hearsay being spruced around here and there. There is also, so it seems, some amount of fact that is supporting the hearsay coming from those who have not worked for the said company.

That being the case it seems like in this case the actual ‘fact’ factor could be assumed to be around the 70% mark, yes/no!?! That being the case there is a 30% inaccuracy caused by hearsay about the accused by those who have not worked for the company. Otherwise said, 30% of the things being said are simply opinions not based on fact from those with actual, boot in the arse experiences. Seeing as opinions are like as:mad:les and everybody seems to have one that must mean that 30% of the people on hear have verbal diarrhea and are in fact talking ****! Therefore, and supporting the fact that according to my dogs-sisters-mother in-law, I myself ‘may’ have contributed to the 30% of **** coming out of mouths. But is my or others **** inaccurate? That is a whole other question. One in which I simply don’t have the time to look into.

But, as FMC said earlier, it is Christmas time and I agree that this has become quite childish. So how about everyone give it a rest and move on, concentrate on what is a time of celebration. Get pissed, have fun, and in 20yrs time look back and remember the good old days (even as hard and or unfair your time may have been). Hey, it took me the last 12mths to get over my last employer so it won’t happen overnight but it will happen! :ok:

Merry Christmas to you all,

WOMBAT.

[Iceberg92]

I can't say I agree with your arithmatic in this particular case but the rest of it proves that you are using the wise head as I know you are capable of.

Like Kongdong I used to work there too and I have known the CP for years. I also know he has been to enough funerals for young inexperienced pilots. He sets the standards pretty high is my personal experience and he taught me heaps.

He certainly will not put up with idiots doing stupid things, in fact he grounded 2 blokes for 2 days just this year for being childish kids which resulted in lost work for the company.

The first real point I would like to make is that it is obvious here that we have one disgruntled little possum being closely supported by someone using the pseudonym of one of the Wests most favoured and CHARITABLE ladies to stir a POT of crap. She would roll in her grave if she thought her nick name was being associated with such venemous drivel. I feel this proves that the individuals we are talking about have no respect for others, our Aviation heritage or for that matter anybody or anything most probably.

The second point is that all of this sort of stuff drags this forum down to levels that it doesn't deserve either because it detracts totally from the forums overall creditability.

Get a life troops, have a beer and chill because carrying all of that anger in your heart will destroy your soul.

Have a Merry Christmas and if you are ever anywhere near Jandakot take the time to visit the memorial of the true Sugar Bird Lady.

[sugarbirdlady]

ice

oh how you change your tune and get on your high horse
hey Kev, love the thread, seems like the "man" has a real problem. I heard a rumour that this mob were among the first to introduce random Drug and alcohol testing as well. no wonder the boys and girls are on hot bricks. seems one that refused to pee in the bottle for a time was told that not to do so would be read as "a positive". he was shaking in his boots apparently, not much wonder he hates the gm. i even have a name for that bloke if you want it and yes the initials are around and on the departed list.



when you have a gripe express it, is this a place for young pilots to work or not???????????

how many funerals could the CP possibly have attended, if they were his pilots, then that answers the above question.................................................... ............................................................ .....

[Iceberg92]

I can promise you, not so sweet, that there are no hard feelings on his part. The funerals he attended were back in the 80s, one was for a fellow crew member, the other was for a student that he had refused to check to line on a Beaver who ultimately died as a passenger at the hands of another Beaver Instructor and Owner. Sadly they all (3) died, as I understand.

You obviously know the CP, ask him for the details because I have probably got it a bit wrong as a result of time. On the drug issue I know there are another couple of stories that strongly influence his decisions. Details are a bit fuzzy but one of the local float drivers up there back in the early 90s went from Airlines (after the pilot strike) to Arrow to Paspaley to and the rest doesn't need to be related here but the guy is dead. The CP feels a heap of responsibility for not being on top of things there and I can understand the position taken by the company as a result of past experiences. I guess he does not want to be in a situation where he could have been aware and didn't monitor and take control of situations where he might have saved a situation or careers.

Do yourself a favour Friend, and suck on a bit of sugar.

[landof4x]

My comments on the last page didn't refer to the CP btw.

Seems this thread has gone all quiet. A little like the Koolan contract for said company.

[the wizard of auz]

Well, now that other company has all five caravans on line, I don't think Bushy's will see Koolan except in exceptional circumstances, in the near future. I also believe Cockatoo might be under threat as well.

[Iceberg92]

Dunno where you get your information from Wiz but the Lizards, Goannas and Wonjanas up that way know a **** load more about what is going on than you do.

Happy New Year
Ice

[Flying Meat Cleaver]

So you know better do you? I reckon Wiz is not far off the money in both cases. Plus, Koolan sure as hell won't be going back to scare-vans in a hurry!

So enlighten us all then Iceberg!

FMC.

[the wizard of auz]

Dunno where you get your information from Wiz but the Lizards, Goannas and Wonjanas up that way know a **** load more about what is going on than you do.

The first part of your statement is correct............you have no idea where I got my information from.
The second part of your statement shows your ignorance of the first part.
You don't know where I got my information from...........so how do you know that the lizards, Goannas and Wonjanas know more than me?.
I know a lot more about what is going on than you could possibly know old mate. :rolleyes:
Lets just say I know some authoritative people on both islands that make decisions regarding these matters, and have been involved in conversations on this very matter........... Believe me buddy, I DO know.:hmm:

[Flight Me]

This is turning into a real bitch fight!:ouch: