MK Airlines to become British Global??

[Sleeping Freight Dog]

Was searching through the U.S. DOT website and came across some interesting information. MK Airlines has applied to provide service from
Manston and Prestwick to Huntsville, AL and Miami, FL under the name
of British Global Airlines. Is the company changing its name for everything,
or just for this route application?, and does this have anything to do with
avoiding bad publicity for the MK name?

[charter man]

MK are currently advertising for staff under the name of British Global Airlines, so I guess they are planning to drop the MK name sooner rather than later. Maybe they are also behind the mystery purchase of DAS to get the facility at Manston??

[Need to Know Basis]

Charter Man - which website are you looking at ?

I hear constant rumours they have 3 x B747F on ground being robbed of parts in order to support the fleet. It did`nt sound like all was well with MK so i`m surprised to hear of this new venture.

[undiemole]

Just out of interest how many of MK's operating crew are British passport holders/citizens ?

It looks to me to be a rebranding in line with the registration of their aircraft onto the UK register.

On the plyus side good news for Manston ;)

[diesel862]

I don't think that the crews nationality or indeed their passport holding makes any relevance to their flying standards / company standards.

They are a UK G- registered airline and like all other UK registered airlines are subject to the same level of regulation from the CAA as anyone else. It is a common fact that MK buy B747's and use them for spares. The Air Gabon at CDG that was written off and the Air Madagascar sitting in Chatereux are two that come to mind. It makes financial sense as long the the parts are certified and logged as per the company MEL and maintenance faciliy (MK's is EASA 145 approved at Filton).

Since the Halifax crash MK has had to bring itself into line and pull its socks up, I think they have done this, if they are changing their brand then good luck to them.

Kind Regards

Vince

[Throat]

Need to Know, none of the fleet is parked, otherwise they wouldn't need the Air Altanta machine.

[Saturn]

So do they only have 747 now the 8's are definetely gone? The MK website says they still have 55 and 62 series.

[Throat]

The maybe one -62 still operational for internal african flights.

Two went to Johnsons, the rest are stored at Manston & Filton

[diesel862]

MK's fleet currently stands as

G-MKAA ex 9G-MKQ
G-MKBA ex 9G-MKR
G-MKCA ex 9G-MKM
G-MKDA ex 9G-MKS
G-MKEA ex 9G-MKU
G-MKFA ex 9G-MKP
G-MKGA ex 9G-MKL
G-MKHA ex B-?????

TF-ARW is being hired till G-MKHA will arrive

G-MKHA the first of the ex China B747's is ferrying Peking - Bristol filton today.

Further more N748CK is still at Bristol to possiblby become G-MKLA.

3 x B747-200F ex B- reg to be delivered as well.

Cheers

Vince

[Manston Airport]

So do they only have 747 now the 8's are definetely gone? The MK website says they still have 55 and 62 series.



But if you look at the bottom of there site it still says 2002 so its not been update for ages.
I see that MK also own a little R44II :ok:


James

[diesel862]

Thats Mike Kruger's little toy to fly from his mansion.

[Paradism]

diesel862

The registration you mention G-MKHA is now listed on CAA G-INFO and relates to previous registration B-2446. BOEING 747-2J6B Serial No.: 23071.

[Sleeping Freight Dog]

Are there any outward signs of the change from MK to BGA??
Are any aircraft opeating with BGA titles?? any change in signage
at the main offices??? What is the latest on the rumor that MK is
talking with a Major airline about operating services on their behalf
from Manston??

[manstonman]

MK signed some sort of Memorandum of Understanding (?) back in 2005 with OST and the town council and took out a 30 year lease on their hub and made various other undertakings. Since then trading conditions have changed considerably, could a name change get around this agreement with OST?

[Paradism]

MK also appear to have registered the web domain name BRITISHGLOBALAIRLINES.COM but thus far do not seem to have used it.

[manstonman]

Looks like they registered it back in February. Whatever they're up to it doesn't appear to be moving at a great rate of knts.

[Paradism]

Extract form CAA Official Record Series 2 No. 1827
"Expedited Procedure
Category (iii) of paragraph 14 of the Department for Transport’s Leasing Procedures of 15 November 2006 MK Airlines Limited to dry lease a Ghanaian-registered Boeing 747-2B5BF aircraft (registration 9G-MKM) from 1 December 2007 until 31 January 2008 pending the transfer of the aircraft to the UK register."

[manstonman]

Didn't waste much time pressing it into action, 9G-MKM was in Manston last Sunday

[putco]

Indeed - 9G-MKM was in Singapore two days ago.

Old habits die hardest..

[Coleman Myers]

The brand MK may have had its ups and downs but I would prefer to see it remain. Mike Kruger is a complete gentleman who deserves every success. If he has an R44 for hoping accross to Manston thats great .. I expect it will be an Augusta before too long ..

[Marvo]

So, the aircraft are to become G-registered !

Having seen some MK crews in the Anchor / Haywagon pubs and forming a que at the CAA flight crew licence counter converting South African licence's to JAA ones, only the aircraft will be British.. Dont bother changing the name . Good luck though !

[thrax]

9G-MKM will become G-MKCA on the 30th Jan. Set complete. Pat Pearse is now the day to day boss leaving Kruger to concentrate what he is good at. One has to assume they are planning to run the -200F old bangers out.

I hear they HAVE some very heavy weight backing - both financial and expertise.

Good luck MK Airlines (BGB?). Global domination beckons!

[Twitcher]

An MK flight left Manston yesterday using the BGB callsign (BGB747P), things are moving ahead for them.

[ex dog]

If MK Airlines are now to become British Global why can't they land at LHR or LGW Surely the Logistics would be better than MSN , Flying on a G reg

[altayaara]

A german friend reported a MK aircraft at HHN airport in Germany, arrived ferry from MSE , loaded in HHN and went to THR on 8 feb.

This flight was done under BGB flightnumber.

[Twitcher]

A lot of cargo goes in and out of the UK by road once it lands at Manston or Ostend, Dover is close so it makes sense...besides, Heathrow and Gatwick are expensive. Also, using a G reg. has more benefits to enable you to go to other countries, not just the UK.

[Paradism]

On todays CAA Route License Notices I note that MK has submitted an application:

"S/054 MK Airlines Limited trading as British Global has applied to operate schedule flights between any combination of points within the terms of the holder’s Air Operator’s Certificate."

[manstonman]

Is MK/BGA gearing itself up to become a pax carrier?

[lovethefreight]

Don't be daft!

[Lou Stulewater]

Hold on a minute. to those earlier posters who mentioned licences and nationalities.
After Halifax they sorted themselves out.
I would rather have the scions of colonials and their new uk standards in this airspace and country than some of the visiting airlines and freeloading first generation immigrants we have now.:ok:

[ex dog]

Love the comment earlier DONT BE DAFT !!!

And very true do you think MK , and MR Kruger would get involved in SLF

[lefturnout]

Why the sneering? It doesn't seem an unreasonable question to me. Might be better if you explained why Mike Kruger wouldn't entertain SLF.

[Jes]

It wasn't sneering, just an apposite comment. Those amongst us who've known MK in any capacity will see the sense of it, and there is no obligation on anyone to give full explanations of their views. And manstonman is a Pprune chum of mine.

[undiemole]

And very true do you think MK , and MR Kruger would get involved in SLF


Actually, I believe that MK actually did some pax flying with their very first DC8 in the early days :confused:

[africa man]

Dealing with SLF is one pain in the rear, especially if you are a dedicated cgo carrier which is all ready up and running , its a totally different ball game i can assure you that having been involved with the setting up of a pax airline while working for a cgo airline its a nightmare. If the cgo flt is late by a few hours not a train smash, but if a pax airline runs late you have never heard such a commotion especially in africa you open up a whole can of worms...wud suggest that MK sticks with what he is doing and knows best..loading pallets is much easier then SLF by far.

[snarfel]

MK Airlines as British Global Airlines, authorized to the United States as from March 30.

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/ContentViewer?objectId=09000064803ea016&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf.

[Coleman Myers]

MK Airlines did indeed operate a combi service out of Nairobi in the early and mid-1990's but I heard were run out of town by British Airways. They also carried multiple pax on charters etc. I understand that they opted to focus on cargo. And from what I recall, the Icelandic AOC they held sometime ago is used by a pax operation. Who knows though: maybe they are preparing for the collapse of Air Zimbabwe ???. Great airline and even greater people, I hope the G reg works for them :D

[alanlyn]

Does anyone know the future of Manston regards M.K.cargo?

[manrow]

G-MKCA with other G-MK aircraft have been at Kemble for some time and are not being broken up yet!

[Hotel Tango]

Don't they have a couple of 747s sitting in Ostende (Belgium)?

[ErwinS]

G-MKEA and MKBA are at OST.

[zarniwoop]

One of the 747s at Kemble had the engines removed a couple of years ago, a large amount of concrete being place in the forward hold to keep it in balance, the cargo door has been left open since then, just visible in this photo from 2010.

Panoramio - Photo of Kemble01 (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36475924)

[Charlie_Fox]

and the two at Ostend appear to have only five engines between them.

[Stuart Sutcliffe]

I am aware of at least one former MK pilot, a personal friend, who is still owed at least US$37000 in unpaid salary. I am sure there are many others. :rolleyes:

[Exup]

All ex staff owed salaries with no chance of getting them. Shame it happened, there were lots of good times & great people, all of whom have moved on with there lives.

[Kitsune]

Oh, that makes it alright then...:ugh:

[Peter Talalla]

I don't post here much but personally, I think it is disgusting if the people that owe money can just switch names and commence business without settling their debts. I worked with a few of the Ex MK guys and they are a great bunch who stood by the company and put their hands in their own pockets to help out. This is a real slap on an already painful face. I guess there really is no justice. :ugh:

[zarniwoop]

Peter Talalla This thread is over four years old and has only recently been resurrected, the plans to rebrand the company were shelved in March 2008 while the company was still trading and the company went out of business in late 2010, so no attempt to recommence business under a new name.

MK Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK_Airlines)

In September 2006, MK Airlines was issued a new airline licence by the United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority. In November 2007, plans for a rebranding of the airline as British Global were announced.[2] The company had its airline code changed to BGB accordingly,[5] but in March 2008, the rebranding was postponed indefinitely.[2]

The financial burdens of the company could not be alleviated in the short term. On 9 April 2010, all operations ceased with surrender of the Air Operators Certificate to the UK CAA the same day.[2][6][7] An attempt was made to secure a company voluntary arrangement in order to be in a position to apply for a relaunch of operations. The CVA was successfully challenged by creditors as having been irregularly conducted and was rejected by the High Court of Justice on 5 October 2010.[8]

[Exup]

I never said it makes it alright, & as I am one of the staff owed money I think I have a right to voice my opinion. The staff from MK have moved on as lingering in the past will get them & myself no where.

[Ingwe]

Actually Peter is correct. There are moves a foot to resurrect the company by the very people who put the knife into the backs of the crew. DC8's out of Latvia. If there money for a new company pay those who stood by MK for so many years! Most of us have dusted off the mess and moved on but there still the a few who could do with a helping hand.

[ErwinS]

DC-8's from Latvia??? That would be something. I wonder which airframes they want to use.

[onehotflyer]

Was only a matter of time until mk rears his head again. Leopard never changes it's spots though so good luck. Nothing like doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[Bigt]

At this moment in time who are the owners of the airframes?
I guess they have flown for the last time and are now just scrap?

[KiloMikePapa]

So the 2 747s in Ostend are being scrapped.

A sad sight indeed: Firma Galloo start sloop van twee Boeings 747 (Menen) - Het Nieuwsblad (http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=dmf20131209_00879563)

[Twitcher]

The long term stored DC8 at Manston is being chopped up this week too :(

[Coleman Myers]

The aircraft in LUN still stands. One more roll of the dice for MCK ?. Why not anyway ?. We all forget much he did for Africa aviation when we criticise him for the failure of a company he no longer was really controlling ..

[Private jet]

MK airlines inhabited a lucrative "niche" in the industry for a long time and the employees went along with that and made money, so any sour grapes now is in my opinion a bit 2 faced, but IMO thats southern africans for you. just an opinion.

[Flying Mechanic]

After MK demise, who picked up the slack for Africa?

[Twitcher]

Magma / myCARGO for starters ..

[Need to Know Basis]

Twitcher is correct and run by the good chaps originally working for MK. Good Luck to them. :ok: