kiwiblue
16th Oct 2007, 23:58
Have been wandering around the musty halls of the PPRuNe archives again, found a post that absolutely fascinated me (here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173005))-I could sympathise with most of the sentiments expressed; I had shared those same thoughts at times myself.
Lately there seems to be a little more spring in the GA step, so I wondered if some/all of the participants in that thread would like to update us of their doings since, thoughts and opinions now!
I'm going to extract a few quotes here now, to illustrate and start what I suspect may prove an interesting discussion! The quotes will be out of context to a degree, so for the good oil, go to the original post (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173005) from May 2005.
I came away feeling depressed and questioning my continued fulltime involvement in the GA industry.
...the pall of decay and deterioration that seems to hang in the air with some sort of semi-permanence as the whole place slowly wastes away.
...I spied a number of young students fussing over their aircraft with much enthusiasm and excitement, just as I did way back when. I felt like walking over to them and telling them to pursue another career and not waste their time with aviation. That was probably the most depressing bit for me. Feeling the way I did, was perhaps admitting to myself that my own time spent in GA over the last few years has been a waste and led me to a dead-end.
...with the whole sorry mess well on the way to regulating GA out of existence.
...the government and its instrumentalities have been making noises about the age of the GA fleet but have not, will not and appear unable to offer any solution or incentive...
...I love flying and will always fly, but I won’t be sticking around to see the last rites. Regrettably, with heavy heart its time to move on.
i gave up on my GA flying at the end of last year! and wont be looking back until there is a serious and effective attmept at its resurection. untill that occurs (if it ever will) i am getting my airborne fix flying RAA registered aircraft!
... what effect will the inevitable extinction of GA have on local and national economies??
GA is going through a huge shakeout which will last for some years. Like CASA, it has to be pulled apart and rebuilt. The two are to a great extent related.
When I first started flying for a living, almost everything was free. Free maps, charts, regs, flight tests, exams, landings, and parking. Qantas had a notice in the Brisbane office, saying that if you had a PPL and 500 hours they would like to talk to you...
So the GA charter industry was not sustainable from the beginning...
And the industry does not seem to trust the regulator...
So what of the future?
Rationalisation...
simpler rules, less paperwork, a trustworthy regulator and a better cash flow for operators...
We have about 10000 GA aeroplanes, many of which are in poor condition due to inadequate maintenance...
It started from the top 15 years or so ago...
The cronyism and absolute lack of responsibility for national infrastructure...
If the bastard was made responsible for the millions wasted on ridiculous airspace proposals that were never going to work we could supply every commercial and private pilot with their documents and ammendments for the next 50 years...
...it seems that by comparison the rotory wing guys generally have things better run that their fixed wing counter parts, by that i mean respectable hangers, up to date interior, etc etc.
Is it a case of having learned from the mistakes made by fixed wing or have they dicovered a secret ingredient?
I am moving overseas soon. I looked out into the world and found an A330 SO position.
With less hours than yours and after all the struggle of a grumbling tummy.
I would have to be one of the most pro aviation, nutcase enthusiasts ever born but I am finding myself re-evaluating...
What I find the most galling is the constant BS from CASA, DOTARS, Govt etc.
The main areas that aviation lets itself down with is just infrastructure...look at the marine industry...look at the yacht clubs etc...then look at GA.
Slowly I am having GA beat out of me...
One of these days I'll sell the Bonanza... emphasis added:KB
OK, that's enough for now. Apologies for quoting only the really emotive stuff, but hey... If you want any more (I recommend you do!) go to the original thread, linked above (twice!) :ok:
To the original authors: forgive me quoting you out of context. That original thread would rate right up there amongst the best I have seen on PPRuNe. Outstanding.
Gassed budgie, Bushy, Chimbu Warrior, Chimbu Chuckles, OzBusDriver... all of you who originally participated in this thread, would love to know what the last coupla years have bought for you, where you see the changes in our industry, what's got better, what worse... what hasn't changed!
And everyone else... what's your perception of GA today? Is the Doomsday clock for GA ticking down or winding up again?
Lately there seems to be a little more spring in the GA step, so I wondered if some/all of the participants in that thread would like to update us of their doings since, thoughts and opinions now!
I'm going to extract a few quotes here now, to illustrate and start what I suspect may prove an interesting discussion! The quotes will be out of context to a degree, so for the good oil, go to the original post (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173005) from May 2005.
I came away feeling depressed and questioning my continued fulltime involvement in the GA industry.
...the pall of decay and deterioration that seems to hang in the air with some sort of semi-permanence as the whole place slowly wastes away.
...I spied a number of young students fussing over their aircraft with much enthusiasm and excitement, just as I did way back when. I felt like walking over to them and telling them to pursue another career and not waste their time with aviation. That was probably the most depressing bit for me. Feeling the way I did, was perhaps admitting to myself that my own time spent in GA over the last few years has been a waste and led me to a dead-end.
...with the whole sorry mess well on the way to regulating GA out of existence.
...the government and its instrumentalities have been making noises about the age of the GA fleet but have not, will not and appear unable to offer any solution or incentive...
...I love flying and will always fly, but I won’t be sticking around to see the last rites. Regrettably, with heavy heart its time to move on.
i gave up on my GA flying at the end of last year! and wont be looking back until there is a serious and effective attmept at its resurection. untill that occurs (if it ever will) i am getting my airborne fix flying RAA registered aircraft!
... what effect will the inevitable extinction of GA have on local and national economies??
GA is going through a huge shakeout which will last for some years. Like CASA, it has to be pulled apart and rebuilt. The two are to a great extent related.
When I first started flying for a living, almost everything was free. Free maps, charts, regs, flight tests, exams, landings, and parking. Qantas had a notice in the Brisbane office, saying that if you had a PPL and 500 hours they would like to talk to you...
So the GA charter industry was not sustainable from the beginning...
And the industry does not seem to trust the regulator...
So what of the future?
Rationalisation...
simpler rules, less paperwork, a trustworthy regulator and a better cash flow for operators...
We have about 10000 GA aeroplanes, many of which are in poor condition due to inadequate maintenance...
It started from the top 15 years or so ago...
The cronyism and absolute lack of responsibility for national infrastructure...
If the bastard was made responsible for the millions wasted on ridiculous airspace proposals that were never going to work we could supply every commercial and private pilot with their documents and ammendments for the next 50 years...
...it seems that by comparison the rotory wing guys generally have things better run that their fixed wing counter parts, by that i mean respectable hangers, up to date interior, etc etc.
Is it a case of having learned from the mistakes made by fixed wing or have they dicovered a secret ingredient?
I am moving overseas soon. I looked out into the world and found an A330 SO position.
With less hours than yours and after all the struggle of a grumbling tummy.
I would have to be one of the most pro aviation, nutcase enthusiasts ever born but I am finding myself re-evaluating...
What I find the most galling is the constant BS from CASA, DOTARS, Govt etc.
The main areas that aviation lets itself down with is just infrastructure...look at the marine industry...look at the yacht clubs etc...then look at GA.
Slowly I am having GA beat out of me...
One of these days I'll sell the Bonanza... emphasis added:KB
OK, that's enough for now. Apologies for quoting only the really emotive stuff, but hey... If you want any more (I recommend you do!) go to the original thread, linked above (twice!) :ok:
To the original authors: forgive me quoting you out of context. That original thread would rate right up there amongst the best I have seen on PPRuNe. Outstanding.
Gassed budgie, Bushy, Chimbu Warrior, Chimbu Chuckles, OzBusDriver... all of you who originally participated in this thread, would love to know what the last coupla years have bought for you, where you see the changes in our industry, what's got better, what worse... what hasn't changed!
And everyone else... what's your perception of GA today? Is the Doomsday clock for GA ticking down or winding up again?