Egyptian plane in landing accident, IST

[akerosid]

Just reported by CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/11/plane.turkey.ap/index.html

[Avman]

Rumoured to be an AMC MD-83 e/r to Poland.

[md80forum]

Reportedly belly-landing, no fatalities. The airline's last MD-83, the previous loss of its sister ship was in a rwy overrun in Juba, Sudan in June 2006.

http://www.md80.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=3920.0

[readywhenreaching]

SU-BOY confirmed:
fuselage broken, a write off. 3rd overran occurence for AMC´s MDs within 3 years. Worth to take a closer look in terms of operating safety...

www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm

[RoyHudd]

Errrr....dodgy, definitely dodgy.

This lot got any MD-82/3's left flying? :uhoh:

[GfaRm]

maybe someone will be able to pick up some details:

http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1524502,wiadomosc.html

[klm-md11]

What a joke of an airline... just have a look at their website and have a laugh.

How likely is it b.t.w. to retract flaps after a crash landing??

[Nardi Riviera]

That is a silly comment. At least bother to use the link in post # 4 - I quote:

“Earlier, the pilots elected to discontinue their cruiseflight after an unspecified technical problem occured.”

So we don’t know yet whether the technical problem included flaps/slats as well as gear.

No use to speculate until we have some more details from (hopefully) reliable sources.

[TowerDog]

I know the captain on that plane. He is not Egyptian. Seems like he did a good job getting the thing on the ground in one piece..More or less.

[Ptkay]

Some pics, still no details why....

http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?P=3&cid=6763&rid=2

[Ptkay]

Z powodu awarii systemu elektrycznego ....
Due to electric system failure....

Jak relacjonowała jedna z pasażerek, najpierw nastąpiła awaria oświetlenia, nie działała też klimatyzacja i zaczęło się robić gorąco. W związku z problemami technicznymi maszyna obrała kurs na Stambuł i zrzuciła po drodze paliwo.

As one of the passengers reported, first the cabin lighting failed,
then the air conditioning stopped operating and it became hot in the cabin.
Due to technical problems the machine took course for Istambul
dumping fuel on the way...

Norweski kapitan powiedział po lądowaniu, że wykonanie tego manewru było możliwe tylko dlatego, że było bezchmurne niebo.
The Norwegian Capitan said after landing, that the manoeuvre was possible
only due to clear sky.

It could indicate the navigation system failure, with VFR aproach and landing...

Congratulations to the Crew. :D :D :D

Well done. :ok:

[Ptkay]

According to some informants the gear was down but flaps up,
he just overrun the runway and lost the gear in the grass.

You can see on the pictures, front still standing,
main in pieces laying around...

"...AMC operates one single MD-83 registered SU-BOY. The airline lost its sister
ship in a runway overrun in Juba, Sudan in June 2006, after having a rwy
overrun in Poznan, Poland the year before, in May 2005. "

[Tjosan]

As one of the passengers reported, first the cabin lighting failed,
then the air conditioning stopped operating and it became hot in the cabin.
Due to technical problems the machine took course for Istambul
dumping fuel on the way...

Dumping fuel from a MD-80? Burning off fuel perhaps...

[TowerDog]

http://www.mediascrape.com/News/ViewNewsItem.aspx?newsItemId=33811&rootVideoPanelType=1

[RYR-738-JOCKEY]

Several sources have been referring to loss of cabin lighting, initially when it all started. Then, we can all see they landed flaps-up, with nose gear extended. One source quoted the captain saying "that the manoeuvre was possible only due to clear sky" , indicating loss of nav equipment.

Taking a Mythbuster approach to the various bits of information:
Belly landing: Busted
Flaps-up landing: Confirmed
Loss of nav equipment: Probable
Engine fire (insinuated by one pax): Unconfirmed
Rwy overrun: Probable, (they did not neccessarily land on a rwy)
Electrical failure: Probable

Hydraulic system failure and electrical failure and engine failure/fire seems improbable, to say the least.
Over to you.

[TowerDog]

According to this Norwegian newspaper they landed on the grass next to the runway as the gear would not come down:

Piloten landet på gresset ved siden av rullebanen - uten landingshjulene ute.

- Det elektriske systemet virket ikke og gjorde at landingshjulene ikke kom ut. Pilotene valgte da å nødlande på gresset like ved rullebanen, sier den polske konsulen i Istanbul, Marcin Wilczek, til nyhetsbyrået PAP, ifølge VG.

Brannen oppsto som følge av at flyet traff baken med buken først.

According to the blurb they had elecrtical failure and that prevented the landing gear from coming down. (Or locking)

Never flown a MD-80 or DC-9, but would think gear operatation is hydraulic and alternate extension electric...?
So with electric failure, no alternate extension, but they must have lost the hydraulics in the first place to need alternate extension..?

(This is not speculation, but rather a question to the MD-80 drivers out there)

At any rate, good thing nobody got killed or severly injured...:D

[MaxBlow]

Quite a few pictures here:

http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=20495

[lomapaseo]

Dang it sure gets confusing picking between all the conflicting reports.

I did appreciate the long video though

One of the passengers seems to describe an engine surge pretty accurately after the descent:confused:

The nose gear is down and so is the mains, can't tell if they are locked or not. The lack of flaps is a mystery to me. Also hard to sort out from the news whether there is a loss of electricity and/or hydraulics.

A runway overrun is one thing, but a departure off the side of the runway is quite different, so in this case which is it?

[TyroPicard]

One of the pics shows a ?Localiser aerial just in front of the a/c nose - if so they probably ran off the end.
TP

[flash8]

My respects to the crew. A job well done.

[kingair9]

One of the pics shows a ?Localiser aerial just in front of the a/c nose - if so they probably ran off the end.
TP


Concur in this observation. Seems like (speculation!) that they landed with flaps zero, overran the rwy and while doing so the main gear did collapse.

[Nardi Riviera]

Hate to admit to “speculation”, but this is an interesting case to me.

We have actually not had any real “reports” yet, other than journalists’ rendering of what they have heard/read in other media, and alas most likely misinterpreted.

Passengers tell that on cruise a/c became dark and stuffy (electrical failure?), and the captain obviously chose to descend/divert. After that, we have no reliable info.

Somewhere is stated that a/c landed on grass beside rwy, so it may not actually have been an overrun. Maybe hard to determine exact location from pictures, so I leave that to those who actually have been there.

Wheels may not have been locked down, but definitely out of bay as they were damaged on touchdown, as shown here in pic 27: http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=6763&p=27&rid=2

I do know that the captain happens to be very experienced on the MD-80, and thus believe he used all options available. After all, a/c was intact and all survived!

[quickturnaround]

Was the acft dispatched with MEL items, why was there a total elec failure? Was there still Bat power?
Is the emergency ldg gear ext like on the 737 free-fall?
Just some questions.....

Happy that everybody made it alive, I think the Aviation Maintenance Company has to do some XXmaintenance on this one.....

QTA

[agente069]

If it was Boeing or Airbus the construction would have not
sustained the impact and we would probably have 126 losses.
Luckily it was MD-80 with high-mounted engines. Great job of the crew!

[Wodgit]

The aircraft overran the end of Rwy 36L by approx 200 metres. On Friday departures were using Rwy 36R. Approx 200 metres in front of the aircraft is a steep slope down on to a 13 lane road with the Radisson SAS hotel on the other side, approx 300 metres from where the aircraft stopped. The passengers and crew were very lucky (as were those on the road and in the hotel).

[ibelieveicanfly]

MD80: powered by the rh hyd sys and in case of emer pwr in use free fall of the gear and lock mechanism(main wheel well doors remain down in this case).jammed stabilizer.flaps should still work but no indic in cockpit about position of slats/flaps
if acft is in cruise config when total loss of AC occur,in order not to go out flt envelope,use FL15 max as you cannot trim anymore.

[BYALPHAINDIA]

It sounds like they made a 'right' mess of it!!:ugh:

I bet 'SOPS' is a DIY tool?:hmm:

1 two go.:*

[quickturnaround]

However, With a total elec power, there is no possibility to select flaps? I know you will have no indication, but they should work on ENG HYDR pumps..
What is the typical FAS of a Flap up LDG on the MD when you are Heavy?
Greetz, QTA

[HotDog]

It sounds like they made a 'right' mess of it!!


What an intelligent and informed reply,NOT.:yuk: