Lost it with CoS08

[rednef1000]

OK, i have completely lost it now with this new CoS08.

Can anybody please post the numbers of the new package for new joiners after 1st of Jan 08, based in Europe.

Also, please shed some light on flight pay, time away from base pay, bonus, 15,5% provident fund etc...

In other words, i would like to know what the take-home pay would be in year 1, 2, 3, 4, ...

Maby thanks in advance

[Kane Toed]

European Base UK Pound Salary (Unified Scale wef 1 Jan 08)

FO
Year 1....£45,036
Year 2....£45,936
Year 3....£46,860
Year 4....£57,144

SFO
Year 1....£67,824
Year 2....£69,180
Year 3....£70,560
Year 4....£71,964
Year 5....£73,416
Year 6....£74,880

CN
Year 1....£97,896
Year 2....£99,864

Senior CN
Year 1....£101,856
Year 2....£103,896
Year 3....£105,972
Year 4....£108,084
Year 5....£110,244
Year 6....£112,440
Year 7....£114,708
Year 8....£117,000
Year 9....£119,352
Year 10...£121,728
Year 11...£124,176
Year 12...£126,660
Year 13...£129,192
Year 14...£131,760
Year 15...£134,400
Year 16...£137,076
Year 17...£139,836


As far as I know there has been no change to the per diem payments, there is plenty that has been written about that already. I'm sure you can find it on a search.

Hope that's of some help.

[Waterskier]

similar question but for US - based DEFO

[Dutchjock]

When do you go from FO to SFO, is that year 5 or experience related?

[Katters]

You know depending from where or how you look at it, that is still a :mad:load of money!!

Some people will kill to get that!!

So maybe we you should just lower you living standards (just a tad) and you will be able to drink more beer or whatever you would like to do with more cash in your pocket!!:cool:

[zulapels]

Don't join !
99% chance you will never be happy here.

[DropKnee]

You know depending from where or how you look at it, that is still a load of money!!

Some people will kill to get that!!

So maybe we you should just lower you living standards (just a tad) and you will be able to drink more beer or whatever you would like to do with more cash in your pocket!!

You are very naive.....If you enjoy low pay go fly for Mesa. Don't come here. We don't need your type of ilk.

[desertpenguin]

Would someone please post the US Freighter scales?

Thanks very much.

DP:uhoh:

[Katters]

So DropKnee

whay ur telling me is that rather than trying to find out if moving to CX, flying B747/B777/A340 is worth it I must rather not go because the pay is not good?

U are either not a pilot who loves flying or u forgot whats it like to fly man!!! Get off ur ass adn do something!!!:D

[DropKnee]

Katters,

You know nothing of my love of aviation. I would surmise that I have more time checking the oil on my aircraft then you have in the air.
My point is that if you are going to engage in a profession. You should strive to make as much money doing it as you can. That should be a required mantra of every pilot who calls themselves a pro. Do you think a CEO approaches a companies board and suggests that they will run the company for less salary then the previous CEO? The answer is a resounding "NO".
If you like airplanes then buy one. Otherwise leave the big jet handling to those who know how much the job is worth.
It's time to stop discounting our services.

Dropknee

[whazitdoinnow]

Dropknee, what a true statement. I can't stand it anymore when "fellow aviators" are breathing in our necks to do the job for half price.
And please stop using that "Paris Hilton Blackberry" English. CX won't even look at your cv when you write like that. (but then again, maybe they will if you tell them you will work for half price)

[Kane Toed]

U are either not a pilot who loves flying or u forgot whats it like to fly man (sic(ouch))How much 'flying' do you think that you'll do in a long-haul airline?

Katters, I'm sure there is something called the missionary air service (or something similar). You can join them, do hundreds of hours of very interesting flying into some extremely dangerous areas and have the added pleasure of not getting paid for it. Perhaps the might be more your thing?

Or perhaps I'm falling for a 3rd floor Troll... But i don't think anyone on the 3rd floor could bring themselves to misspell 'and'.
:cool:

[missingblade]

Katters you are an idiot!! People go to CX , BA and other big airlines cause they worked hard to get to the top. Not to get screwed cause some 200 hour comm pilot wanna do it for less.....

( Sorry mate I don't usually lose my cool but its time some clowns around here grow up and that includes you )

[Katters]

Ok OK No use in trying to fight among ourselves i agree with what you are saying (except Kane Toad who raps me on the knuckles for misspelling 'and' and then misspells 'that' (or something)....hahaha)

However its still not going to stop new pilots from joinng CX, because even though the money is not good for the guy who has been at the company fro more than 4 years, its still WAY better than flying in some long forgotten village doing air drops to people who like to catch the 3ton pallets!:ugh:

[El Lobo Solo]

So........does CoS08 change anything on the SO side?

[Kane Toed]

No change to HK payscales (apart from our 3% pay rise in Jan). All SOs come to Hong Kong so will still be on CoS99.

[Truckmasters]

My understanding is that any new SO joining on COS 08 will be on the lower unified FO pay scale if they elect to take a base in their first 4 years as a FO.

[No-Wai]

This won't be an issue - you'll have eff all chance of getting a basing in Oz if you join as an SO now anyway.

Due to a combination of:
1. DEFO recruits filling slots
2. Current senior HK FOs scrambling to get the few slots still available in the next few years
3. Based Captain extendees (RA 65), AND
4. FOs already in situ knocking back command course to remain in Oz

All of this will almost certainly mean there is NO chance of ever being based back home for Aussies joining as SOs now. Commuting isn't really an option as an SO due exchange rate right now and as an FO in HK your roster will pretty much preclude it too.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but them's the facts.

[kesskidi]

any idea about CDG based pay scale ?

[ForzaLazio]

just to be sure: with the 08 contract, as an SO, do you still get the housing allowance or not?

[oldsmithy]

Be happy join another group. The CX group is falling apart. I have a mate that has resigned after 8 months. Poor training and not being able to get his full housing entitlements. Go figure....................

[BigLebowsky]

Thanks for your opinion on the situation.
I'm not going to start an argument here, but wouldn't it be more helpful if you answered one of the questions above? We all know it's not perfect from reading complaints around this place, but people are trying to put their current situation against the CX situation to come up with an informed decision on what to do, so if you have any valuable info please share it...

[canadairjet900]

Hi guys,
My question is the same I´ve seen above; just wanna know a few things:

The upgrade from F/O to senior F/O depends of what?
Anyone knows the payement scale in Amsterdam or Paris?

Thank you.

[run]

US Freighter scales? Anybody?

[BigLebowsky]

I think that's completely up to time served. Think it's after 4 years, provided you start as a DEFO. But I don't really see the importance of becoming a senior FO, as I see it it's just another step up the salary scale, which will happen accordingly no matter what rank you have. Or is there something else that changes with being a sr?

[tu144]

With all this complaining about pay. Which airlines are still considered to be paying good salaries?

[canadairjet900]

Ok, just the same that I thought, so senior f/o consideration is only one step of the pay-scale.
Thank you for the information provided.

Canadairjet900

[Knee Trembler]

tu144 See The thread "How much do you take home" in "Terms of Endearment".

KT