Qf BNE LAME cleanout

[Clipped]

Heard from a friend up there that M and the local Manager have opened an EOI for redundancies.

Possibly a cleanout, the likes of MEL.

And who is going to replace the gone souls - AMEs, of course. Immediate savings, like MEL.

Again, the issue of quality was never entered.

Any thoughts, especially from the coal face.

[splashman]

Was always going to happen,

In BNE there are those who stand by their mates and their are those who will screw them to get one step further ahead towards self satisfaction in where they want there careers to head. ie MT and RL re Perth.

Unfortunatly, the change willl happen one way or another,

The Seniors and DMM's, who value the lames on their crew, who will stand up for their lames, who will be just and fair...
Once there were many, now there are some, tomorrow there will be none.

Good luck to all that apply

A lot of valuable experiance will be lost, a lot of wisdom will be lost, a lot of honest people who it was a pleasure to work with, and learn from, will be lost .

Dont blame GH, he has always, honestly, said that he has a job to do, and will do it.

Glad I left, for me ......Splash

[QF22]

G'day All
I believe the VR in BNE will be oversubscribed, everyone has had a gutfull of M and the current QF/ACS mis-management style.
Good Luck to all who go. Their gain is QF's loss.

[chemical alli]

between the jstar 787 applications and bne transfers who will be left in toon town of acs syd ?

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[Sunfish]

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[domo]

M is giving a roadshow in sydney
he will have as many as he can get backfill with ames( not stripping brisbane heavy) it the poor b**tards in cairnes i feel sorry for they are way overstaffed

[Bumpfoh]

Recently noticed some interesting badges being worn around the traps

L. ifes

A. bout

M. urray's

E. go

:ok::ok:

and his bonus of course!:mad:

Good luck supervising the AME's they take on, it basically means you get F all done yourself during a shift. So where is the gain other than on paper for the beanies to admire.:=

[lordofthewings]

Just recently handed my resignation in with QF..Thought i would be a lifer and this was the job that all aircraft engineers in Aus would aspire to be in....ha ha ha...no job satisfaction, morale fantastic, shifts suck, way too top heavy...could go on and on, but hey im leaving, keep having to remind myself about not getting concerned...
But QF has truly been a dissapointment..
Funny thing is when talking to HR about leaving, told me if im not happy where i am they would give me a SNR LAME position in BNE heavy tomorrow...
Jobs galore just got to be willing and able to relocate...

[Talkwrench]

Just a note to BNE Line LAMES. If redundancy is forced on you and you want to stay at QF, there is a shedload of blokes at H3 Heavy Maint that will happily swap their position for your redundancy payout...please, please consider!

[IAWQPSP1]

Why not take the money and walk across to Hangar 3. Work as a contractor via ALG as posted above. $35 per hour as a Ame thats more than a level 7 Lame. Carefactor zero, come and go as you like. More seem to "go" than "come" better conditions and pay elsewhere. What ever you do don't become a permanent, you will be imprisoned. No internal job applications will be successfully out of Bne H3 from now on "its detrimental to the Buzzness", in Kiwi talk.

[Clipped]

I think the date for the EOI has closed. Anyone up there in Brissy care to share the local goss over numbers etc etc.. .

[ConcernedLAME]

Around 27 EOIs ......apparently...numbers to go ..unknown

[The Black Panther]

You really have to ask yourself who is running this company. We have sat through the 'you've have to be mental' not to accept this deal, now as South-East Queensland, THE AVIATION CAPITAL looks like growing more and more QF Brisbane wants to restrict it's size and outgoings. Unlike Jetcare, JHAS, Aviation Australia, VirginTech who all appear to riding the big bang theory BNE ACS with an arsenal of equipment, infrastructure and labour assets decide it's best to tighten the belt. Who is looking at the decision MH and DC are making.

A simple formula in business to increase profits is to grow the revenue base. Increase your revenues, expand the business. From Costello to Harvey Norman every successful business has a growth strategy. While brothers at H3 are walking out the door every week, and a five year void hangs over there heads after the 767 are finished there term, at Int the word is the boss can't make a dollar from the customer airlines, ain't it odd how Cathay and AMSA can? What is even more amusing is how the small third party operators get the contracts and then they borrow equipment from QF International....Who is watching this amusement park? Then at the Dom our available maintenance time and manpower is getting strained while the aircraft get older and guess what MH wants a round of VR.

It's not new to those of us who have been around 30+ years have seen this seven year cycle. However it appears this will contract the Brisbane business unit beyond repair. Many good engineers have put there hands up totally let down by a management who wants nothing to do with growth, no plans to walk into the new period of regulation with experienced and knowledgeable engineers and no trust or value of their workers. Lighthouse want a cheap roster with little or no penalties and while engineers are tightening bolts at 2am and pushing back aircraft in storms and rain the bean counters are fast asleep.
Which reminds me of something said once but a great LAME!!

"We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent repairing something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very security I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a screw-driver and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"

With GH having served one year in Brisbane it wouldn't surprise many if in another year he pulls up stumps and heads back to Sydney, job well down.

Costs reduced, third party operators installed, community and social responsibilities curtailed!

[1746]

If ever any management has confirmed their complete ineptness, it couldn't have been as conclusive as the continued destruction of Qf E&M by DC and his merry crew.
MH has always had one thing in mind, save costs, hit the perceived high cost items - get rid of LAMEs!
His evidenced business awareness and care factor is zero!
Another bonus driven manager!
Finally fleet managers are starting to ask questions towards those who know!!!!!
God help QF Engineering!:ugh::ugh::ugh::*:*

[No SAR No Details]

Maybe you should have put it "God Save Qantas Engineering, because nothing will save the GGMs of QE and ACS" (courtesy of Gough)

The Australian Government has finally woken up to a skills shortage in Aviation trades.
When will Qantas?

[QF MAINT OUTSOURCED]

stop complaining and but an OT ban on and then see how far they get,do something about it,Avionic Lames in Sydney are now doing 20 hrs OT per week because 20 Ames have just quit,what do you think would happen if all these Lames weren't available for OT any more :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::E

[Managers Perspective]

From the movie:

Jessep: You want answers?

Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I'm entitled to them.

Jessep: You want answers?

Kaffee: I want the truth!

Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

Kaffee: Did you order the code red?

Jessep: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.

Kaffee: Did you order the code red?

Jessep: You're goddamn right I did!!



Seems someone has ordered the "code red" on some of that dead wood at BNE
MP.

[QF MAINT OUTSOURCED]

problem is only the dead wood will be left behind,as point in case MP

[domo]

Seems someone has ordered the "code red" on some of that dead wood at BNE

The useful leave they know that they can work outside the dead wood stay and pretend that they are managers

[rudderless1]

Perspective of management, maybe you should take a look at the Big M's achievements. (and others up there)
The Sydney Monorail, he left that in great shape!
RR Engine Line Sydney, sourcing engine os now because it can't cope too
CFM JES (Joint Engine Services?) Tullamarine which Virgin have pulled out of because for nearly 3 years and since its start it has never produced and engine with a serviceable margin. Thank God for derate and newly extended runways to cover it up! (Dont forget this come at the cost of the old engine line which produced engines that exceeded new specs)
With all that preparation for the grand finale of :yuk::D
Aircraft Customer diService and incompetence and inability.
We will also, never forget the Camp Crusty phenomenon and the $100000 camping trips, for what!
Well done M
Cost are down but now I guess there about to explode? Anyone for OT?
Reliability does it matter, I guess it does?

[The Mr Fixit]

mmmmmmmmmm what can one say ?

Pigs at the trough :{

High on the hog :rolleyes:

Happy as a pig in sh!t :eek:

QF management :E

[lordofthewings]

A management restructure at QF would go a long way..Never seen a company operate with so many senior staff positions.Look at ADL line maint for instance, on a day shift doing nothing but kicking tyres they could operate with 2x DMM's, possibly 3 if the international DMM is rostered on, 2 Senior Lames, possibly 3 if the international Senior is rostered on, the state manager and whoever else thinks they are worthy.A possible 7 bosses looking after the remainder of guys/girls rostered on.Usually another 4, and they are normally LAMES signing for there own work anyway..Let the dead wood go, then restructure before QF that used to be a great place to work is lost....Or is it already too late...Too many chiefs and not enough indians:D

[chemical alli]

the whole middle management at the q in total needs to be f&*ked off. If a mouse farts someone is made a manager of pollution.they reckon we are top heavy of lames. What about empire building, sarcastic, one diploma,try hards who did a management one oh one course online and now think they know it all

[Redstone]

More and more slide their way off the tools into the vortex of "secondment" or as it should be named the "ACS Work Avoidance Programme" these wannabe managers and brown tounges, with 30 people seconded from ACS in Sydney alone is it any wonder the problems with dispatch reliability? More lean sigma required to sort it all out, more people away from their jobs to run "lean events" pretty soon we will be lean allright..... last one out turn off the lights:zzz:

[chemical alli]

work avoidance schemes have been a total rort. the next lean event should apply to lean cuisine for some

[QF MAINT OUTSOURCED]

Don't Talk About Bob Like That,do You Know How Much Sh!t He Had To Swallow To Get Where He Is

[Big Unit]

Sad thing is that it is the bludgers that will do anything they can to get out of work and on a special 'project' are the ones that are respected by management and given any jollys/promotions that come up.

[company_spy]

The troops are at a stage now where they can see the only way to get ahead is to be a suck hole, and as a result most have switched off :zzz:

[The Black Panther]

The Bne ACS cleanout has been put back a week. Surprise Surprise! Is there just one leader who has any idea how to meet a schedule or have some common sense. They are absolute idiots above. The BNE Work plan committee or whatever they called it took about 2 1/2 years of 5 men out of the workforce and delivered zilch, zero, nothing of value, oh there was alot of overtime for everyone. Not even a roster! So the honourable MH says "Right anyone who doesn't want to be here doesn't have to"......pause "oops"

When will someone with an ounce of commonsense, communication, planning skills and foresight step up to the mark. Upper ACS management is the worst I have seen in my 35years. A disgrace and no one is accountable. Very very disappointing!

[UPPERLOBE]

Pretty right Black Panther, I worked in Line Maint SYD for 40 years (refuse to call it ACS and thank God I am retired).

The joke is that old school managers right back to Gunner, The Neck and The Jet Cadet, etc didn't have an MBA or any other form of tertiary education they relied on the college of life, funnily enough they were very much smarter in how they managed the operation.

The troops felt like they were at home when they were at work (gee, we even had morale) and management actually saw customers and helping competitors as a valuable offset.

You know they will choke on their buzzwords and WTF is a stakeholder doing a lap and what does management bring to intelligent space when they come bearing an empty cranium?

What can these twits with zero Line experience possibly contribute to the future other than absolute chaos. Line Maint is not a "process" it is the blood of the airline.

Once this hubris dies down and a new broom arrives to "get engineering back on it's feet" they will find that the previous regime has been very successful in killing off all of Arthur Bairds legacy, goodwill and the corps of experience will be but a distant memory.

The deliberate dismantling of all things good about Line & Major Maint will be long lamented by those who can actually see past the current financial year.

Rant over.

[QF22]

Congratuations to all those that got VR today, 27 EOI's, 27 good LAME's gone. 11 from BIT and 16 from BDT
May you all find what you are looking for, and couldn't find at QF BNE !
Word is QF looking to replace with 20 AME's.

[chemical alli]

sorry to see some em go great blokes and it used to be a great fun place to work.enjoy the fruits and stop smiling ya bastards

[Clipped]

UPPERLOBE,

It's a bit late ... but a very honourable rant.

Good luck to those offered redundancy, heard that some will go very soon whilst others will be staggered over the next year as AME's and 'lost' licenses come on line.

[Redstone]

I'd like to know where all these AME's are going to come from..... with the prospect of no training and a brick wall once you hit grade 9, not a very healthy career prospect. You can earn more money driving fork lifts and you don't have to work shift work, this is why Q Engineering are hemorrhaging AME's at the moment.

[mavrik1]

Their dreaming! They will never get 20 AME's and especially at grade 9'.
Don't even think there is that many around. Looks like their looking for imports or GA guys.

[cementhead]

base maintenance sydney need more ames
sio need ames
cabin interior sydney are putting out a blue notice for 30+ ames
everone asks the same question where will they come from?

[satos]

everone asks the same question where will they come from?
The current trend at the moment 'Overseas'.

[The Black Panther]

There appears to be a concern that the VR's earmarked for latter release dates may be not eventuate. Some guys have a 12mth lead time. Where do they stand if nothing has happened by 18mths? How are the stage 2 Melbourne VR guys feeling, any firm dates yet?

While the new roster for BIT looks like it is over the line thanks to a clever ploy not to change BDT roster thus eliminating them from a vote. I am still hearing local complaints that they didn't screw the BIT guys enough so they could supplement night shift labour on overnight BDT checks. It is sad to see cohorts who want there cake of 44% shift penalties and still want to screw there brothers in some fashion. I say good luck to the BIT guys, they are have 10% less in penalties which will see them home by 2am. I wish we had of changed here.

The ability to source AME's will prove difficult. Junior AME's doubt this plan will work due to roster, pay rates and a plan to keep AME's as AME's for an extended time thus keeping labour costs low. The AME's are also not too pleased about a 5 on 3 off DDDNN roster however a lack of numbers and union involvement may prove there protests insignificant.

Then there is the other argument that will the cleanout of highly licensed LAME's work in the long term. The One man transit is used on QF 737, 767 and NZ aircraft however as soon as a defect occurs (incoming or during transit) a second man is seconded. This practice thus nullifies the great MA's abuse as the in-trade man is usually called. The MA's is fine for minor lamps and fixes and the heroes will continue to do avionic work for zero dollars but in the long term the alternate trade will always be required whether it is mech or avionic. So the manager will walk down the path of retraining the lost licences and guess what, in 7 years time we are back at square one!

[Talkwrench]

Hi Black Panther. Re: AME’s new roster: Isn’t it correct that when an extended hours roster is involved, the majority of affected staff must agree to work it? What do you envisage happening if the AME’s there do not agree to their new pattern? Which is, by the way, a pretty atrocious looking roster. As I understand it, the AME’s didn’t even get to have any input to it…

[The Black Panther]

I would think they would go back to an 8 hr roster. You still can't force employees to work extended hour rosters without mutual agreement.

[Talkwrench]

I see. They would do a “Perth” on them. I guess any future AME’s applying to work at BNE ACS, however, would have to accept the new roster as a condition of accepting employment?

[QF22]

There are no AME's at BIT all LAME's. So incoming AME's will have accept the roster if they want the job.