NetJets Hours

[Mike Whiskey Romeo]

Hi,

Does anyone know roughly how many hours a Netjets F/O will fly every year?

Thanks

[270/55G75]

depends on the fleet.

400-bravo : 300-400 hrs
excel-800 : 500-600 hrs
2000 : 600-700 hrs

other fleets : no idea

[Denti]

That isn't all that much especially on the small fleets. So you basicly sit around most of the time?

[redsnail]

No, you just do a lot of short sectors. I wouldn't call the small cabin fleet as guys just sitting around.

[Mike Whiskey Romeo]

Thanks Guys,

on another note, any idea what the sector pay is like? Also, how does the payscale increase after year one?

Thanks

[FL470]

try www.ppjn.com (http://www.ppjn.com)

[Finals19]

Any word of NJ lowering the 1500TT time requirement for DEP guys? (Got a little under that, mostly Air Taxi MEP, with about 400 of that MPIC) Sounds like an awesome outfit to work for!

[keepin it in trim]

There is no sector pay, company pays 70 euro a day for every day you are at work (ie not at home on standby), this is tax free.

If you are close to the 1500 hours then it does not hurt to apply, by the time you have been through the process you will probably be at the minimum.

best of luck

[Fella]

Do any NetJets pilots out there know if Europe NetJets would be interested in hiring an ICAO ATPL holder with 6000 hrs + on the promise of converting to a JAA licence ASAP?:ooh: If so would such a licence holder be able to fly whilst studying, or will the licence be required before becoming productive?

[Ohio]

JAR rules I believe allow a one year, one-time, non-extendable waiver to operate JAA registered aircraft with a non-JAR license. I am not sure if Netjets would take advantage of this possibility by requesting a waiver for an ICAO-licensed pilot through the Portuguese INAC. I do know that Netjets does request waivers for European national licenses that are not able to be converted to JAR (these are not limited to a one year max length). My suggestion would be to apply and discuss the issue with the recruitment people.

Another important issue is whether one has the right to live/work in Europe.

Finally, it is not impossible to fly for Netjets and study and pass the JAR exams - but it is not a walk in the park. Requires a very significant amount of time studying manuals and/or going over and over the question banks on line.

[BAe 146-100]

Is it true that you can select one of 43 gateways in Europe as your permenant base? Is the flying always via those bases or do you get positioned to other bases to fly even though you only are based at one gateway city? If you were at Manchester for example what would be the flying hours per year, just the same as the other bases or not?

Cheers
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[5green]

Just have a look right here:
http://www.netjetseurope.com/data/eng/popup_careers.html

[Aussie]

Yeah mate, you are at a gateway and get flown by airline to the aircraft before your tour of duty, and likewise after.. so unlike the airlines, the amount of flying you do doesnt depend on where you live...

thats my understanding anyway, and if its not correct, im sure someone will jump at me!

[keepin it in trim]

Yes you can live at (near) any of the listed gateways, the choice is yours.

Do not get confused between a gateway and a base, netjets does not have bases. On day 1 of tour the company will position you to where ever the aircraft is. Your colleague, who will almost certainly be "gatewayed" somewhere else, will do likewise. You meet at the aircraft and off you go for 6 days. On day 6 the company will position you back to your gateway, you do whatever you do for 5 days and then start again.

Where you're "gateway" is has no effect on the number of hours you fly, different fleets tend to have different types of flight. Each type has its own challenges, some may fly less hours but that can mean lots of short busy sectors, others have longer sectors but have the fun value of dealing with eastern european air traffic, the GV guys just have it easy:E

[BAe 146-100]

Thanks guys, Netjets sounds like an intresting company to fly for.

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[A Very Civil Pilot]

They are now running an OATS sponsored cadet scheme. Does that mean that there are few experienced pilots willing to work for them?

[PPRuNeUser0215]

They recruit between 200 and 300 guys a year so part of the master plan to get the numbers is to use cadets.

[keepin it in trim]

The last 5 or 6 new pilots I flew with had between 3000 and 7000 hours when they joined, the majority had command in their previous company, and around half had a lot of jet time. Most are ex-airline or ex-military, or both.

I enjoy it, but it is not for everyone. You can have quite long days, and you have to think on your feet and do quite a bit of problem solving. You work for 6 days, and that 6 days could take you literally anywhere, so if you are a fan of routine it is probably not for you.

The roster is very stable, you know the days you are working, I do not get hassled by the office on my days off. The aircraft are very nice and you work with a great bunch of people, I happen to think that the fleet I am on is the best, funnily enough the vast majority of my colleagues on other fleets feel the same about their fleet:)

Yes on busy days it can be a little crazy, and I have had my share of getting fraught with the office and them getting fraught with me when it starts going a little "pear shaped". At the end of some tours I have been absolutely exhausted. Other tours have been pretty low stress. I have been to some amazing places (some places I won't miss if I never go there again!), and as I said earlier 99% of the colleagues I have worked with are a pleasure to spend 6 days with (I just hope they think that about me!).

The contract and salary/benefits are something that depending on where you live or are taxed can be a big issue, look carefully. There have been many changes in the last 18 months, and while there are still things that could be improved, on balance, I think overall it is pretty good.

I am sure that other people will have other views, and there are plenty of opinions on pprune about netjets, from past and current employees, read, digest, make up your own mind. I offer one last thought, the perfect company for everybody probably doesn't exist, so in the end you have to go with what most matches what you want out of life. Have a good day.:)

[BAe 146-100]

keepin it in trim,

Thanks for the detailed analysis of the operation. What kind of routes crop up more than others as part of the 6 day tour? What unusual places can you visit with Netjets on the 6 day tour - or can it really just be anywhere in Europe?

Cheers
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[Jonny-no-stars]

Really sorry if this has already been covered but what fleet due you join on (3K med/hvy jet hrs), and is there a progression available between fleets?
Thanks.

[Aussie]

There is no specific type you start on...

apparently im told that if your a low hr pilot, youll go long haul, and if around 3000hrs then shorthaul, with possibility for a quicker command..

That was from a mate at netjets :)

[atr42500]

Well
with NJE you never know what you gonna get if you have 3000 hours JAR 25experience and captain experience , and netjets needs guys on large cabin aircraft (Falcon, Gulfstream) then you might be picked to go on that fleet and wait an average of 2 years before command.

So with Netjets there is no neccessery a quick upgrade.

It is either small cabin and fast upgrade or large cabin and very slow upgrade but very relax operation and cabin crew which make it nice instead of being facing the same guy for a week.

[Finals19]

Using the word "tour" here, are we assuming a full 5 nights / 6 days away from home at a time, followed by 5 days off?

Is it ever the case that part of the tour passes through your gateway - e.g. LHR or LGW or BIG? Just trying to establish if you ever get to spend a night at home while on tour (assume that's normally not the case?)

[PPRuNeUser0215]

Is it ever the case that part of the tour passes through your gateway - e.g. LHR or LGW or BIG?
It is possible to come through your gateway if it is a fairly popular destination for NJE. London City, Farnborough, Northolt are some of the favorite in the UK, as well as Nice/Cannes and Le Bourget in France.
But you should not count on it. It can happen often or never.
I am Nice based for example and although most crews will night stop there, it took me nearly a year to get my first one.
On the other hand since then I have had 2 days stanby during the middle of a tour, in Cannes (20 mins from home), 1 day SBY in Nice, 2 Night stops in Cannes, and 4 night stops in Nice. I have started from Nice or ended my tour about 4 times in 07.
This is pretty nice but of course it is in no way an acurate representation of what will happen next month or next year. It just can or cannot happen. A bit of a bonus if you like :cool:.
So once again and in order to avoid any disappointment,you should really count on being away 5 nights per tour and not less.

[Riker]

Are the Hawkers 800s new - the 800XP-C versions? What percentage of the Falcons are of the EASY variety with the newer avionics? Lastly, when are the Falcon 7Xs and the Hawker 4000s expected on line? Will the 7Xs arrive before the end of 2008?

I have always thought NJE would be a great place for a career - although I have some time ahead of me before I will be competitive.

[Dries v.d. Tillaard]

Just a couple more Q's from my side:
Going on longhaul means what types, The Falcons and GV's?
How many sectors fit into a perfectly normal to completely abnormal day on both short and longhaul?
Are the 178 working days they mention on the site realistic?
Is the time it takes to position you "duty time", i.e.payed?
And talk about a "slow"upgrade , 2 years wait for an upgrade is A LOT less then at my present company...About one sixth of it , I guess:ugh:

[Twin2040]

When I joined ealier this year I had 3050 TT. Went on to Medium Cabin and went to Lis for Upgrade 6 Moths later. I came from Air Line.

[redsnail]

Regarding passing through your "Gateway", I am EGGW "based" and I do go through there reasonably often. I rarely go home as such as it's easier to be with the crew if there's a change. If on standby on Day 6 then I go home "early" as I can be back at the airport in 20 or so minutes. Amex is right though, count on being away for 5 nights. Best thing, you're home for 5 days in a row and the roster (once you're online) is very stable. You can request special days off given enough notice (at least a month).

The Hawker 800XP that are coming on are XPCs. There are no "new" XPs (ie Honeywell). I think we only have about 10 "old" XPs left, the rest are XPCs. Most are XPi's now any way. The Hawker 750's will have the Collins Proline 21 with the IFIS fitted too.

Don't know the Falcon Classic (Collins Proline 4 I believe) v EASy's. All the new ones are EASy's from what I can tell and I believe the new new ones will be the LX versions.

Don't know when the 7X or the 4000's will be online. The engineers are being trained now for the 7X. Probably some time during 2008 and onwards. Both types are big orders. I wouldn't plan my joining Netjets on what type's coming online when.

Longhaul is usually the Falcon 900 and the G5/550. Medium to longish haul is the Falcon 2000's. (I don't fly those types).
Most number of sectors in 1 day that I have done is 5. I have done that twice in over 2 years. (On the Hawker fleet). Nowadays, average seems to be 2-3 with the occassional 4 sector day thrown in.

178 days is about right. 200 days - leave. Throw in 2 recurrents and a GRT and that's another 9 days minimum off active flying. Since you're paid a salary then you are paid regardless how many days flying you do. You're also paid your per diems any day you're not on home standby. You're also paid from Day 0. That is, the day you're flown to Lisbon to begin Indoc. You're also paid your per diems as well. Average days per month flying would be 15-17. Occassionally on tour, Day 1 and Day 6 end up being pure airlining/travel days. Although, it can change... :ooh:

I waited 2 years for my upgrade but that's considered a long time. If you have previous jet time or turboprop command time and you are keen/adapt quickly, then it is a lot less. Average I'd say is about 6 to 9 months depending. I was happy to wait that long as I wanted to get a couple of winters under my belt and to be very comfortable with the jet as it was my first jet.

I like the job. It's interesting and challenging. You do meet some very interesting owners and on the whole, they're very easy to look after. You do get thrown curve balls every now and then, you're paid to solve the problem and to offer safe solutions - if it means cancelling a flight or diverting, then so be it. The aeroplanes are new and I have great colleagues. Catching up with colleagues down route is great. You're allowed to hand fly and it's not just SID Airway STAR ILS every day. Ok, you have to load bags and sort out catering... but on the whole, it's fun. :D

[atr42500]

A short correction to whats been mentioned about upgrades.
i know as a fact as it happened to me , i joined with 3000 hours TT and captain experience on turbo prop jar 25 (ATR) , but i guess i was one of the less experienced guys in the pool of new indoc .
I got a large cabin aircraft and am seat lock for 18 months at least while some of my indoc pairs with same experience got small cabin aircraft and got upgraded just under a year after joining.
So i am now losing on salary, experience, captain seniority for tendering for large cabin aircraft Easy or Gulfstream or later 7X.
So if you want to join NJE and you have about 3000 h don t neccessary believe what you re told at the interview. you might end up on large cabin and be a first officer for an other 2years.