Jetstar offshore recruitment

[lowprofilepilot]

This was on the AFAP employment web site!
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JETSTAR - B787 PILOTS REQUIRED
Jetstar, Australia's award winning low fares airline, is seeking expressions of interest from suitable qualified Pilots to join our Flight Operations Team on the B787 Fleet.
Jetstar commences B787 operations in August 2008 and has a number of vacancies available for suitably experienced Pilots.
B787 Checking and Training Captains - Based Melbourne & Sydney, Australia
Required skills and qualifications as appropriate:
· B777 or equivalent experience
· Training an checking experience
B787 Line Captains - Based Melbourne & Sydney, Australia
Required skills and qualifications as appropriate.
· B777 or equivalent experience
For more information and to apply for this role, please visit our website, "Jetstar.com" and select "work with us" from the "about us" drop down menu.
Applications close Friday 28 September 2007.
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Isn't there already enough experience in Jetstar already?

[KRUSTY 34]

Appart from the Boeing test pilots, how many suitably qualified 787 pilots are there?

[swab]

Mate not even Boeing has qualified 787 pilots have they? :eek:

[404 Titan]

I’m sure you guys are just playing semantics but the add does say “B777 experience or equivalent”. There are plenty of Aussies with that experience.

[Watchdog]

And it's only a 5 day differences course from 777 to the 787 :ok:

[ACMS]

So does anyone know what they are going to pay a 787 Captain?

I guess it would be the same as a A330 Captain?

And I think that's around 180K? am I close?

[mr.tos]

As if anyone would leave their highly paid 777 job to join Jetstar to fly a slightly newer aircraft.

[evyjet]

............and get less days in Oz than most contract pilots get!!!! hmmm

Unless of course they change and give Pilots more time at home base!

[podbreak]

And it's only a 5 day differences course from 777 to the 787

Not according to the information i've got :eek:

Seems the intention was to limit the extent of conversion, but there has been somewhat of a blowout...

[Keg]

I reckon it'll be quite popular in the short term. There won't be many other 787 qualified crew around and so those people that are trained by J* could probably name their own price on the open market. Short term hip pocket pain, long term potentially very significant gain!

[meagain]

Don't know where you get your info from "pod", but I know the Alteon guy personally who is setting up the course and it's 5 (FIVE) days acording to him ?????:confused: Someones bulls----ing here ?:confused:

And, by the way, that money sounds ok to me, have 4 Aussies right here beside me who would come back tomorrow, or maybe next August.. Don't kid yourself, there are plenty willing souls with 777 time just waiting in the wings..

[Watchdog]

I confirm it is 5 days - according to Boeing's own publication 'Boeing 787 Dreamliner Flight Deck Safety, Comfort, Efficiency' - produced by Mike Carriker, Chief Pilot 787 Program.

Podbreak - I'd say he knows more than you on this subject.

As for the 'dough' - it is already specified in the current J* EBA - "wide body" - and it is a lot less than $180k! Will they pay more ?? :confused:

[BIKKERDENNAH]

Personally i would take a look if the training pay was up around 250K AUD

As a line training captain in EK on the 777 my takehome pay including housing allowance which i am using to pay the villa off here is 210K AUD therabouts!! Need over 300K to match that at Jetstar and that is not including kids education and full medical insurance available here. BUT home is home and for 250K gross might take a sneaky peak at it!!:sad:

[ruprecht]

BUT home is home and for 250K gross might take a sneaky peak at it!!

You're right, home is home.

If paying tax and having a lower disposable income is the price I pay to live in Australia, then I'm happy to continue paying it.

ruprecht.

[Henry Winkler]

Why would this be any different from the A330 introduction? How many guys came back then? There will be some, but not the flood that everyone predicts. Money talks.
And from what I hear, its about 170Kish plus super, 9 days at home. They are working very hard. Don't expect that to change until (if) the frequencies increase.
All third hand info, so don't quote me on it.
You'll also be on an AWA, so for those not familiar with Australian industrial law, I'd do a bit of research about your rights (or lack there of), under that type of agreement.

[woftam]

5 days?
And that will cover HUD and RNP as well?
I doubt it. ;)

[Higs]

Lets be real, If your on the 777, you are currently an expat (may commute but still off shore none the less)
So if your an expat then you are constantly looking for something better. This gig at Jetstar is worth a look but its going to be a lifestyle thing and if they cant give you the time at home in Aus that you want, then its not worth it. I would want to be sitting in a hotel in Narita being told thats your day off!
As far as the coin is concerned, there will continue to be demand for 777/787 pilots and it's a matter of time before more offshore airlines allow crews to be based in Australia and when that happens the Jet* boys will jump ship without a second thought.:cool:

[Capt Kremin]

These pilots will apparently be on AWA's which one would surmise would contain better T & C 's than the current J* guys.."enjoy".

After five years they will go back to whatever the J* deal is and whatever their seniority will give them. So if J* expands then they should be able to maintain the left hand seat, if it doesn't then they will go back to a FO's position.

That's the deal and the risk. In five years the Jetstar deal may be better than it is now or it may not. Market forces will decide I guess. Go into it with your eyes open lads and lasses.

[The Kavorka]

Capt Krem....

Pretty much spot on,

The crap about the days off o/s is a joke....they have to give you 10 days off per month and home for 6 months of the year and 9 for the other 6 months (soon to 10-11 in the new EBA)..and most of the guys getting around 15 days at home at the moment.....

Whatever else is reported is absolute rubbish!!

[topgun0007]

Also from the Boeing website
767 / 757 time 8 day transition
737/717 time 11 days
The JQ boys need to bring this to management and CASA attention, that even Boeing recognise B717 time as being relevant experience on a substantially similar type.
Should set the cat amongst the pidgeons.:)

[topgun0007]

WOFTAM,

Flown HUD for years, no big deal training less than 4 hours in the sim then line ops. (after some ground training content)

RNP, any operator worth their salt trains their crew to a high level in respect to RNP during initial training.

Have it on good authority Jet* already do this and have beefed it up with an RNAV AR course about to be introduced in both ground training and the sim.

Along with the Electronic Flight Bag they are about to introduce, seems like this QF poor cousin has got their sh1t together pretty well.

Not really type specifc training so irrelevant when it comes to conversion /difference courses.

[blueloo]

didnt think airbus 320/330s capable of RNP approaches/departures.

not so much a training issue, but an equipment issue.

anyone know if this is true.

[blow.n.gasket]

Whats going to happen when a mob of training captains from JetSar go to Tiger? Will that slow things down?
Pay for the 787, wasn't that variation to the JetStar agreement with the intro of the A330 for Widebodies?
Isn't the 787 a widebody?
Hearing rumours that mates will be looking after mates with the 787 ,even if they don't have widebody command time, ABSOLUTELY!:ooh:
As for the dummy spitting individuals leaving the Rat for oranger pastures,
how many are ex-AN?

[Capt Kremin]

They are all ex-AN as far as I can tell. They aren't leaving either, just availing themselves of the MOU, which lets them go back to QF if necessary.

It must be good to have AIPA to blame for all your woes in life. Pity that bears no relation to reality.

[woftam]

topgun0007 said,
"RNP, any operator worth their salt trains their crew to a high level in respect to RNP during initial training.

Have it on good authority Jet* already do this and have beefed it up with an RNAV AR course about to be introduced in both ground training and the sim."
I don't think you have a clue what RNP is my friend. You seem to be confusing it with GNSS. ;) How long have Jetstar's A320's or A330's had this capability to do RNP procedures?
Also a 4 hour HUD endorsement would have to be a "mickey mouse" version. :ugh:

[4PW's]

Watchdog,

Is there a link to the Jetstar widebody EBA?

I'd hazard a guess not.

Nonetheless, I am interested in the package and have made good an application.

Not sure how B767 and B744 time qualifies, though.

I hear most of the Trainers have already been selected.

Just a rumor.

[Ramboflyer 1]

Happy to become an F/O after 3 years ..................Low seniority and thats what rules at Jetstar.