Roughly how much? [Archive]

Sam-MAN

29th Aug 2007, 20:43

Hey guys.

I know this is a very broad question with lots of different things which could effect it, but i would just like a rough estimate.

Roughly, how much a year would a pilot get on his/her first flying job? For example on a 737 flying for Easyjet, Jet2 etc.

Many thanks.

mackey

29th Aug 2007, 20:54

Hi SAM-MAN,

Have a look at ppjn.com (you might have already done this), this will give you some idea of pay for Easy, jet2 and other various airlines.

M.

Sam-MAN

29th Aug 2007, 21:06

Hey.

I had a look on there but most airlines pay only shows up as '£6' per hour etc :confused:

Many thanks

future captain

29th Aug 2007, 21:26

Top left should be annual pay...The "6£ hour" seems like flight pay, which is additional to the set wage.

Sam-MAN

29th Aug 2007, 21:41

Ah right thanks for clearing it up :)

Seems to be a lack off jobs in the UK :sad:

mackey

29th Aug 2007, 21:55

There are jobs out there but you will have to look everywhere to find them.
M.

kiwi chick

29th Aug 2007, 22:37

Hey Sam-Man

Two bits of advice: (you reading, Whirls?! LOL)

First: Stop addressing all your threads to "Hey GUYS"... (I know, I know, I'm being pedantic, but it's starting to piss me off!! :mad:)

Second: I can assure you almost 100% that your (and anyone's!) first flying job will not be in a 737!! You sound like a nice kid who's heart is in the right place.

I would strongly suggest you do some research with regards to the whole journey from first flight to the elusive "jet Job"... ask around, talk to people about how they did it, find out whats REALLY involved in the process. You might be suprised - you might not be. :ok:

But if you read through the threads here you will see that there are many, MANY people disillusioned with the whole aviation scene - and dare I suggest mainly those that did not do any research first and went into it with "rose tinted glasses".

All the best Sam :ok:

Sam-MAN

29th Aug 2007, 22:45

Hey Kiwi.

Sorry about the thread titles! I will make them more relative next time i do post :*

And about the 737. I have spoke to a few pilots who have gone straight into a 737 after completing there ATPL training (maybe they were the minority!).

I will do my homework before posting next time :O

Many thanks, Sam

kiwi chick

29th Aug 2007, 23:00

Hey Sam!

Post away... this is a great place to get advice (most of the time...) but I do feel you would do well talking to a few people in person. :ok: :ok:

Kiwi CHICK!

Bad Robot

29th Aug 2007, 23:25

Sam-MAN,

It would be helpful if you stated your Quals, License, Ratings, Hours, etc; then perhaps you may get a more informed response. If you are straight out of the training schools with a brand new shinny Frozen ATPL, there are options such as, Ryan Air and Easy Jet in this part of the world, providing you have bucket loads of dosh to Sponsor Yourself through their training mills. I think Easy require you to have some commercial Multi Crew Experience, don't know about Ryan Air.

Easy & J2 Both have details on their websites.

Good Luck.

BR.

Sam-MAN

29th Aug 2007, 23:33

Hey Robot.

Im going into year 11 this September so i dont have my qualifications yet. (well, i have a half in RE :suspect:). I also havnt started my flight training as yet. However, im planning to do my PPL next summer with all my hours and everything completed to get my licience around summer 09. After that i want to get all the ratings i can before im allowed to get an ATPL. I have all my fundings pretty much worked out (i hope anyway!!!). I am going to get a job as soon as i leave school and save it up (along with money off ebay).

I just wanted a rough idea of a pilots salary after finishing there training and succesfully getting a job.

Many Thanks, Sam

ZAZOO

29th Aug 2007, 23:45

You will be just fine Sam-MAN :)

Just go get your License and like in all professions in the world put out your resume.

Who knows, u might just end up down here in Lagos like some of us (quite comfy too, if I might add) but with no easyjet and so on earning a living flying a 737.

All the best.

Zaz

Sam-MAN

29th Aug 2007, 23:57

Thanks for all the friendy advice, its nice to know i have somewhere to go to get some real good advice. Without PPRune, i wouldnt be sat here now thinking that i want to be a pilot! I never knew that it was acheiveable for me (i though you had to be a top marks rich kid ;))

Just looking forward to starting with all the training, trying as hard as i can to improve, improve and improve and hopefully it will pay off for the rest of my life.

Once again, many thanks!

kiwi chick

30th Aug 2007, 01:32

Hmmmm - my apologies Sam, it would appear...

Straight onto a B737 may not happen in NZ or even Australia, but it is a frequent occurence for many ab initio's in the UK

... what a scary bloody thought.

I hope your hearts in the right place then. And before you offer advice, you qualify your career advice with ''.. in Nz, or in the south pacific..''.

Have you read any of my other posts, dai chon doi ? If so you wouldn't need to be asking that question.

My apologies again Sam - here in New Zealand and most other places I know of, respected pilots have worked their way up the ladder through a long, hard process, and it's not usually straight on to the gold stripes.

And never forgetting too, there are plenty of other exciting, rewarding, flying jobs other than (Bus Driving) Jet Jockey! :ok: :ok:

Kiwi Chick

Wizofoz

30th Aug 2007, 02:16

here in New Zealand and most other places I know of,

Kiwi,

I take it, then, that you have not heard of Europe, Asia, the Middle east or South America, where graduating as on F/O straight onto anything from an ATR to a 777 is not at all unusual.

I went through the "Hard Yards" in Aus and don't regret a moment of it, but I have subsequently flown a 737 as Captain in a CatIII operation in Europe with an FO with 270Hrs!!

The dynamic is somewhat different than flying with a high-time guy, and there's no doubt guys with this little experience are still learning, but they do the job just fine and graduate to the LHS after about four years with little problem.

Aus anhd NZ airlines insist on high-experience recruits because they can. In places where large-scale GA doesn't exist as a training ground, the airlines take what they can get and still seem to get the job done just fine.

kiwi chick

30th Aug 2007, 02:20

Wizard

I take it, then, that you have not heard of Europe, Asia, the Middle east or South America, where graduating as on F/O straight onto anything from an ATR to a 777 is not at all unusual.

I put my hand up and stand corrected!! :oh:

No I hadn't heard that.. still sounds kinda scary to me, lol! :eek:

I only go by all the stories I've read on here, and met in NZ, but in hindsight maybe most of them were from NZ/Aussie.

Thanks for putting me right! :ok:

she's off... furiously searching for passport, licences and work visas...

aero junkie

30th Aug 2007, 02:51

Hey Sam,
Age has nothing to do with getting an airliner job, except with limits on licences(some airlines have age restrictions to fly for them to). Its all based on hours and experience, pilots who put the hard yards into their career get results.

Pilots fresh out of training moan because they cant get a job as they expect to be strapped into a 737 etc. There are plenty of jobs out there flying smaller planes.

The airline industry is very competive and half the time its all about TIMING

But don't expect to come out of training looking to fly a 737 sized aircraft though. Ask some pilots flying the big stuff, they will all have different backgrounds.

All the best :ok:
Aero

Denti

30th Aug 2007, 08:03

Yup, in europe it's pretty common to go from your Frozen ATPL Check directly into a jet type rating for a 737 or a scarebus. Major Airlines like Lufthansa sometimes take pilots direct from flying school onto types like A300s as well.

My current employer hired quite a few pilots who were still in flying school this year just because he was desperate to fill the seats on all those new shiny airplanes, they dont have to pay a type rating as well, just a reduced payscale for the first year (yes, thats paying for it too, just not straight outta your own pocket). It's common practice as well to upgrade them to the left seat after 3000 total time which can include everything thats flying and only 2000 hours experience on jets. Seems to work so far, no major incidents...

5150

30th Aug 2007, 08:17

Remember to offset whatever pay you get with potential debts!

I do know some guys who've gone straight onto 737/Airbus with 250 hours, albeit on a reduced salary and over 70 grands' worth of debt!!

Sam-MAN

30th Aug 2007, 12:46

Hello.

Thanks for all the advice once again. Sorry if i seem abit of a 'novice' but i really have no idea how it all works (i am 15 after all). I just thought that from a few pilots who i had spoken to, there may be a chance of going straight into a 737 job :ooh:

Im learning as i go along :}

Many thanks:ok:

Just another student

30th Aug 2007, 13:33

Sam,

There is of course the chance of going straight onto the 737,
with the industry in the position that it is (certainly within Europe) those chances are increased, however it is certainly not the norm to get onto the 737 at the first time of asking.

I have been lucky enough to get my first job on the 737, but I took the decision to pay for my own type rating. It was an educated gamble I would say, that happened to pay off, however without that extra training, I certainly do not think I would have landed my first job yet.

Flight training is a gamble, most of us do have large debts to manage so it is a decision not to be taken lightly, however if you are like me and flying is all you have ever wanted to do, go for it and don´t look back :)

I wouldn´t worry too much just yet about the salary on offer at Easy etc if / when you get a job on the 737 etc in the UK you will find out exactly for yourself. When that time comes, you won´t be able to live like Wayne Rooney, but you will have more than enough to get by :}

Get looking into CTC and other ab-initio programmes and seek advice from as many people as possible, most will be more than willing to help :)

Good luck

A Very Civil Pilot

30th Aug 2007, 14:33

Sam-Man

Try looking at the British Airline Pilots Association BALPA (http://www.balpa.org/) website.

On the left of the homepage is a 'How to become a pilot link'. (http://www.balpa.org/intranet/How-to-bec/index.htm) It will give you alot of the information you, as a 15 year-old potential pilot, should know.

fiftypercentn1

30th Aug 2007, 15:30

kiwi chick i must say am a bit fed up with this attitude towards people that go straight to a jet.
you are showing it s you the one that has to do some homework and some research on how aviation works in many countries.
Companies like BA, Air France, Lufthansa, Klm ecc ecc ecc ecc sponsor young pilots and put them straight into a 737 or a 320 (trust me if theyre there it s because they have proven they are able to get to standard quickly..)..you must know better then them though..

Sam man

i could introduce you to loads of guys that went straight to a jet (and without paying anything for the TR), so keep up the good work (at school for the moment!) and ull see ull get there

Sam-MAN

30th Aug 2007, 15:50

Thanks :)

I wouldnt mind how i become a jet pilot, just as long as i do :) I am not botherd at all on the money side of it, if i was payed minimum wage for being a pilot i would still love to do it as its a job i have always wanted to do, the money is just an extra added bonus!

Many thanks, Sam

Bravo73

30th Aug 2007, 16:28

if i was payed minimum wage for being a pilot i would still love to do it as its a job i have always wanted to do, the money is just an extra added bonus!

Oh joy. Another lamb for the slaughter... :(

BerksFlyer

30th Aug 2007, 17:34

Oh joy. Another lamb for the slaughter... :(While you're a 15 year old lad (like myself), I suppose money isn't at the forefront of your worries, but I'm sure as Sam progresses up the ladder he will think twice about being exploited as a wannabe desperate for a job, especially with the amount of debt you would have after paying for training- I'm sure that sometimes flying for a 'minimum wage' simply isn't a financially viable option. I think that with the amount of training and the cost of it, flying for a minimum wage shouldn't be the case- afterall, you aren't just glorified bus drivers like a certain MOL would have everyone believe! (Isn't he retiring within a few years anyway!?) :E

Sam-MAN

30th Aug 2007, 17:44

Sorry i think what i said came accross wrong! What i was trying to say was if pilots were payed minimum wage (which they are obviously not, but say they all were) i would still want to be a pilot. However, as pilots are generally well payed i would not work for minimum wage!

Sorry if it came accross wrong!

many thanks

kiwi chick

30th Aug 2007, 22:06

kiwi chick i must say am a bit fed up with this attitude

SL-AAAAP!!

I've put myself in the naughty corner

kiwi chick

30th Aug 2007, 22:11

PS: fiftypercentn1

(trust me if theyre there it s because they have proven they are able to get to standard quickly..)

I have no doubt I could do the same. Nothing like worldly experience gained over a three month period. :ok:

Whether I'd WANT to is a different story.