Back 2 Back Flights (B2B)

[Xtra Crew]

What is exacactly a back to back flight? (B2B)

[agent x]

Example;

*Monday*

Manchester - Chicago departing Monday AM arriving Monday PM in Chicago

*Tuesday*

Chicago - Manchester departing Tuesday PM arriving Wednesday AM in Manchester.

*Wednesday*

Rest Day

*Thursday*

Manchester - Chicago departing Thursday AM arriving Thursday PM in Chicago

*Friday*

Chicago - Manchester departing Friday PM arriving Saturday AM in Manchester.

This would be a typical example of a back to back.

[ABird747]

For BA crew it means a US nightstop followed by a night in a hotel at Heathrow before doing another US nightstop without the days off between the 2 nightstops.

[VS-LHRCSA]

The epitome of pure evil. Absolutely HATED them but they were good money. I know the comuters like them. Plus you could save money by dining out at Compass Centre :E

[pinkus]

To me it means say landing from a flight early in the morning. Then having to report for your next flight the same night.

Pisses me off. Not because of the minimum rest factor but that I get paid for one duty day when have 2 duties on it.

[Off Stand]

How did you work that one out? From the example given, you land on the Wed morning and don't report until the Thurs.

I have never known of a duty ending in the morning and another starting that night when it comes to B2B's.

[CallBell]

For those of you who work back to back Transatlantics... how many days off would u have??? so u fly to the USA on Monday arrive back at base Wednesdat, then leave for the USA again Thurs, before arriveng back at base again Sat... wud you have Sun Mon Tues WED free????

[wiggy]

Depends on the Industrial agreements between the employer and the appropriate Unions. Legal minimum after a after a back to back ( assuming six days continuous work, e.g. two LHR-JFKs ), according to the UK CAA rules is one day off. The Industrial Agreements are fortunately usually different (i.e. more time off).

[flightlevelchange]

Off-stand

Monday check in 10am middle east to london
tues depart london back to M/E
Wed arrive early morning, min rest 10 pm report back to london
thurs arrive london - rest
friday evening dept back to middle east
sat arrive middle east (if lucky no min rest)

not nice but is / has been done (thank god not anymore for me though)

Happy flying

[Off Stand]

Flightlevel, I stand corrected.

[VS-LHRCSA]

It reminds me of my charter days operating a night Larnaca, followed by a night Tenerife followed by a night Lanzarote. No thanks.

[honeydarling]

do british airways do back to backs often then?

[BestonBoard]

At present, a B2B for me looks like:
Report 8.30 local.... STD 10.00 local
Arrive EWR 13.00 EST... 30 hours down route...
STD 19.30 EST... Arrive at 07.20 local, off duty 1 hour later.. (Wednesday)
Thursday... do it all again...
The worst case scenario is one day off afterwards (I have done this followed by another B2B... but not for a long time!!!)
On average we do have 2 days off minimum after a B2B trip...

[VS-LHRCSA]

I used to get B2B once a month pretty much guaranteed. Awful things but they pay well.

[BA Boi]

i quite enjoy doing them myself.

:}.

[apaddyinuk]

The BA agreement is that we can only do one B2B every 28 days. Now we have a few different types of B2B's, We have 5 day ones (when I say days I mean the amount of days it uses up on a roster) for example a 5 day JFK would mean...
LHR-JFK, Nightstop
JFK-LHR, Nightflight
Nightstop in LHR
LHR-JFK, first flight out, Nightstop
JFK-LHR, Daylight morning flight.

Then we have the 6 days which would be similar only with two standard 3day trips. Then we have a nice little 8 day at the moment where we do one nightstop followed by the DTW which has a clear day down route followed by a shuttle flight down to IAH, however this will not be lasting too much longer.
I even remember a 10 day BDA B2B where we did two 5days....it was like a little holiday where we could bring friends or family with and leave them there for the 2 nights we were back in London! Was brilliant.

Now we do get paid extra for these under our agreements however they only achieve the standard days off after any US East coast trip which is three days (4 nights) but its still a bargain. I personally love them although you do feel like you have been hit by a bus and then its reversed over you several times!!!!

[VS-LHRCSA]

argh, the dreaded sector 3 :yuk:

[apaddyinuk]

Indeed.... we all suffer from "Third Sector Syndrome" on that one!!! Its awful...the effort to even smile is enormous!!!

[ddiipp]

I have never known of a duty ending in the morning and another starting that night when it comes to B2B (http://www.btobb2b.com)'s.

[Jus33]

We also do canadian B2Bs! Just finished 6 day YUL/YUL! or as I like to call it! Drearyyul!:eek:

[Dawdler]

Forgive my ignorance, but if the above are examples of B2B what would you call, LGW/VDA and return, same aircraft, same crew, same day, in excess of 4500 miles round trip. I have had the experience of such a flight, (many years ago now).

[GayGourmet]

Forgive my ignorance, but if the above are examples of B2B what would you call, LGW/VDA and return, same aircraft, same crew, same day, in excess of 4500 miles round trip. I have had the experience of such a flight, (many years ago now).

I'd call that a there-and-back rather than a back-to-back...

But its all semantics...

GG

[britboy2]

Prob a level 2 flight:* And nowdays the likes of SSH,SID,BVC,RMF ECT are the norm there and back in a day , but you normaly have 3 sh before it IE PFO,AGP,BOJ,SSH .
Thats carmen and im sorry to say thats charter:* But its not a B2B Just evil:\