Rishworth B777 F/O

[excellr8]

Are these guys for real....

Rishworth Aviation is delighted to announce a unique opportunity for pilots to obtain a B777 type rating and build time on type thereafter.

Rishworth Aviation will arrange a B777 type rating course for selected candidates at pilots' own cost. Commuting contracts as B777 First Officers will be offered prior to commencement of the type rating course. Monthly payments will be circa US$6,000 (gross).

Candidates need to have at least 2,000 hours total time and 500 hours on multi-engine turbo-prop or jet aircraft with at least 1 year airline experience. Preference will be given to pilots with jet experience.

While you may not be at the stage in your career where you are interested in this opportunity yourself, if you know of pilots looking to move up to the B777 as First Officers, we would be grateful if you would please make them aware of this opportunity.

Interested candidates should register online/update their online registration details at www.rishworthaviation.com (http://www.rishworthaviation.com/) , and forward CV, completed application form, license, passport, medical and last 2 logbook pages to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com

Applications close on 26th August 2007. Shortlists will be made thereafter at which time full contract details will be provided. Type rating courses are expected to commence in Oct/Nov/Dec and take 4-6 weeks. Upon successful completion of the type rating courses, assignments will commence.

We think that this is an excellent opportunity for pilots to progress their careers to the next level and expect that there will be significant interest. Accordingly we have in the first instance, exclusively offered this opportunity to pilots registered on our database. We expect that we will be in a position to continue to offer similar opportunities in the future and look forward to hearing from interested pilots.

Kind regards

XXXXXXXXXX


These guys are renowned for paying the least. If your interested and really have no other option but to deal with them be carefull as they are tight.rses.

[On Guard]

This wouldn't be Virgin????? I know they are contracting the tech crew out.

[haughtney1]

I'D put 5 bucks on it being for KAL :ok:

They sent me the email...I sent a rather terse reply :=

[3 Holer]

Jack still coming up with ways to exploit pilots and make a buck at the same time.

[coaldemon]

It is not for V Australia. Their first B777 turns up September next year.

[Brindabella]

Haughtney1/ 3 Holer

I got the same email except it was from Toni Morelli. I think the $6k was a misprint. I sent an email to Toni to clarify the pay. I haven't received a reply.

It can be tough to make decisions these days with all the choices out there. $40k for the 777 type, (probably at Air NZ) and $6k/ month in Seoul. Or no up front cost for a Hawker type and US$9k / month in the Dubai.

Brin.

[KRUSTY 34]

I don't know Brin?

I hear the sandpit is not all it's cracked up to be, but on that comparison I would imageine the choice would be easy.

I appologise in advance if your remarks were tounge in cheek.

Methinks Rishworth may have to pitch a tad higher.

[Brindabella]

Hi Krusty...

There was a bit of tongue in cheek however I think there is nothing wrong with Rishworths pitch. Obviously they are pitching for monkeys.

The typo may come to light when even the monkeys fail to show let alone any primates at all. Perhaps we should, "watch this space" as the $6k/pay for rating typo may soon be "fixed."

Brin.

[swh]

Could this be for RBA ?

Their 772 is due to enter service as soon as they find another engine to put on the wing.

Rishworth Aviation have had a history of supplying pilots to RBA for the 757/767.

[Callicutt Kid]

looks like air india,short all types have not kept up with training looking for a short term solution.rishworth always in first to spiv a deal !!!

[Gordon Schumway]

You'd have to be extremely hard up to work for Rishworth. Ran into a bloke the other day who had just started as an F/O with DJ; he had been a 737 Capt with Pac. Blue and he'd taken a pay RISE by making the move!!!

[meagain]

I don't have much time for any or the contractors, PARC, Rishworth, EPA, etc etc, they are all out to make a buck out of the pilots they hire and they are all as bad as each other. However, for any young bloke wanting a good start, then what's wrong with sacrificing 6 months salary to end up with a 777 endo. and 500 hours on type on international routes, job guaranteed, nothing wrong with that. Geez, wish I had that chance when I had 2000 hours, I'd have jumped at it.
Besides, the 777 is a fantastic airplane to fly and if anyone gets the chance , GO FOR IT, and all the best to ya :0))):ok:

[Metro man]

Be VERY carefull with Rishworth, you may end up doing the endorsement and having them turn around and say "sorry no job" at the end. It has happened before. Don't mortgage your house.
A B777 endorsement with no time on type or other jet time won't get you a job else where, A B737 or A320 endorsement might.
Doubtless they will get a "commission" on your training costs.
Possibly Brunei as Rishworth have a long standing relationship with them, Korean Air and Vietnam Airlines have higher minimums. But these days who knows India, China ???
Only deal with Rishworth if;
1. Your are not paying out any money.
2. You really want the job and cannot go through any other agency.
3. Job is with a reputable airline in a country with decent employment laws.
While you may not be at the stage in your career where you are interested in this opportunity yourself, if you know of pilots looking to move up to the B777 as First Officers, we would be grateful if you would please make them aware of this opportunity.Warn them about this agency more like :yuk:

[TopTup]

I have known a few guys gone down the Rishworth track into RBA. Of course they take a hit of your pay while on contract. Welcome to the world of supply and demand. Once off contract things are different.

The guys with RBA that I know of have gone from regional (mainly metro, SAAB or B1900) to SFO with RBA to Capt within 2 - 4 years. Housing, etc all paid for and "almost" living off the allowances. I know SOs with QF who have been an SO for 5 years, and CX SOs for 4 years (max with CX though).

For this gig it seems the money for the Rishworth deal is about the same as an FO with DJ BUT housing is covered, and away from home allowances are are MUCH better. (No $200+ a week to rent in Syd as that is where the newer DJ guys are being based). The B777 endo is not $40k. More like between $30k - $35k (Aust), depending on where you do it. Therefore not much difference between that and a B737 NG if doing it o/s.

Direct entry FO on B777 flying long haul, international v FO with DJ (or JQ on even less $$$!) flying domestic. It's a personal choice up to the individual. Every person entering any job should be aware of the realities, not the hype or spin.

I know of the ONE person who did the B767 endo when asked to by Rishworth and failed to get offered a position. Other factors came into it that I am aware of, and not the fault of the driver in question. A big stuff up, yes.

To me it sounds like a good enough offer under the circumstances. Fly a B777 (amazing aeroplane!) for a few years, see the world. Come back to Oz experienced and type rated. "Potentially' not a bad situation to be in.

For the record, I've never worked for RBA or Rishworth, just know a few who have / do. (Getting older - never said wiser).

[aviationmug]

recently did the B767 course, lotsa $$$$$

Passed, then was not offered a position due to change of circumstances.

Go elsewhere like DJ, QF :=

[slamer.]

I've always thought they take about a 30% cut , outa interest, anyone know what their (Rishworths) cut is..?

[TopTup]

There is A LOT of comotion at RBA at present. Just go to the SE Asia forum. Not all is as it seems, and definately not all the fault of Rishworth, but a lot due RBA management. I have "heard" of pilots told to get ready for the 767 position at RBA recently but management at RBA have have played Rishworth around with whom they have taken. One blames the other, and so on..... Who knows, who cares. Just deal with the result.

I understand, and if anyome knows better then please correct me, that an RBA SFO on Rishworth contract takes home about $1400 AUS a week salary. Housing paid for. Also approx $400-$450 a week allowances when away. Off contract SFO getting $2k per week + same allowances, and more housing allowance $$. Bear in mind no tax in "The Abode of Peace".

If you're flying for $$ then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Sure it needs to be a big concideration, but look long term.

Find me any job without pilots complaining about management and the roster, the salary, etc or management doing the same in reverse. Like I said, just know what you're getting yourself in for, what your aim is and plans are long term.

[Grivation]

More than likely it'd be Vietnam Airlines.

[galdian]

Must say I find it amusing that only people on the database are presently being offered this deal to shell out $$$$$$ - mere plebs not on the database will have to wait their turn (which may/may not arrive!)

Must make you warm and fuzzy to "belong" to such an elite group. :ok:

On a more serious note regarding contractors and/or their clients (and sorry to disappoint anyone thinking otherwise but that is NOT the pilot!) interesting items on other posts eg. looks like Rishworth (and others) getting tied up in tax problems in India, KAL possibly not providing all the days off consecutive as implied (but not written) in the contract, airline in Japan trying to amend pay/travel in the contract for their benefit etc.

In todays market make sure you read and fully understand the implications and intent of the contract, if not happy either have them amended or walk away.
If not happy yet still sign then can't really bitch too much when/if things start falling apart. :E

Beware of false prophets - but also beware of real opportunities missed.
Tough call sometimes. :ok:

[TopTup]

Galdian,

Just like those warm and fuzzy people who register thie details with QF, DJ, JQ, CX, and so on? How rude of those companies to only offer interviews and jobs to those who "belong" to their databases.

Are you serious?

Those "mere plebs" ought to register if they want to be considered. I didn't win lotto last week either. That's damn unfair just because I didn't bother to buy a ticket! Who can I sue?

[galdian]

TopTup
Oh Dear! :hmm:
If you stop writing your check to Rishworth for a second and re-read you will see my third paragraph starts with "On a more serious note...", that and the thumbs up may have been a sign of a bit of a piss take.

To any who may not have perceived this - my apologies.

Hmm - register with someone in order to be allowed to pay heaps of money (on which they no doubt will make a percentage) with the expectation, not guarentee, of a short term contract and after that...?

Correct me if wrong but I believe all the other airlines you mentioned (and not all charge for endorsements but that could change any day I suppose!) have the prospect for ongoing employment and PROMOTION to Captain where airline time really counts towards some type of employment security in the REAl WORLD.

Bugger all contract slots that allow for upgrading - may change in time, who knows - so maybe another factor before you let loose with all that $$$$.

And then I finished off acknowledging, with the pro's and con's, a tough call in the aviation environment today (maybe not in words of one or two syllables but I think the intent is clear.)

Gees I'm a real bastard! :ok:

[CT7]

Don't trust then as far as you can throw them!!

If you have to deal with Rishworth, cover your a#$e well and make copies of everything as too much gets lost there.

Just be careful.:=

[cunninglinguist]

Metro or 1900 to International 777 Skipper in 2 years..........................where do I sign :}

[galdian]

Be careful Cunning

Much as I am aware you have tongue firmly in cheek there appear to be some out there who might be inclined to take you seriously. :hmm:

Of course one can only hope they are clogging the Rishworth phone system to desperately confirm this wonderful new development prior to writing a blank cheque to secure this unique and unprecedented opportunity. :ok:

Sadly would suggest now NO chance for anyone who was not a "Rishworth Elite" member. :( :p

[SIUYA]

All.............

Let's put it in perspective.

Q: How far can you throw a grand piano up a staircase?

A: Not far/I can't/Fcuk off!...................[and all of the above or variations thereof].

OK.............TopTup almost wins the exploding Havana cigar for trying to tell you ALL what's at RISK in this competition, ie.,

If you're flying for $$ then you're doing it for the wrong reasons

In other words, as CT7 puts it:

Don't trust them [particular crowd in question] as far as you can throw them

Which isn't very far, OR, as I'm trying to tell you:

A): A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE EASILY PARTED!
B): HOW TO MAKE A SMALL FORTUNE IN AVIATION? START WITH A BIG ONE (FORTUNE, YOU FOOLS...........YOURS!) AND END UP WITH A SMALL ONE(FORTUNE)
c): VARIATIONS ON A) or B) WILL ALMOST CERTSINLY APPLY IF YOU DON"T LISTEN!

CAPICE?

PS. For the record, I never got 'stung' by this lot of mongrels or any others on my way thyrough the revolving door of aviation for the 35 years that I was involved. Had a nephew who did though!

[VS-LHRCSA]

Funny, I recently came across this link while doing a project for uni. Don't know what it was doing in the For Sale section.

http://www.aviationclassifieds.com/viewads.php?ads_id=3463

[TopTup]

It's hard to argue logic with someone who has their head firmly implanted 180 deg the wrong way and at waist level, but anyway......

I HAVE NOT NOR EVER had anythig to do with Rishworth. CAPICE?

I have had a few mates who have. Mostly with a beneficial outcome. And yes, for the record one mate went from Metro to Command on a B767 flying international in 2.5 years. The usual progression is about 4 years at RBA. That's a fact. Not saying it's god or bad, just stating a fact. There will always be exceptions either side of that bell curve. Why don't you do some research before mouthing off? Come out with some facts instead of relying on rumour and guess work.

For the others I know who have gone through Rishworth, like other posts they also stipulate strongly to be VERY wary.

This "Elite Group" that the illustrious head planted Galdian speaks of so veremantly is no different to any other "group" who applies to an organisation for consideration. Mate, I let your last post go through to the keeper, but you're an idiot. That elite group desperately waiting in line with open cheque books must also include those at Virgin Blue, Pac Blue, Jetstar, Q'link.... and so on. No elite group, just people registering an interest. Those people who register an interest are therefore offered the product that these companies have on offer. And guess what!!!?? Those who don't register an interest don't get called for positions those companies have to offer. It aint hard.

The imbocilic Galdian believes, by definition, that if you don't win lotto, sue the lettery agency. Not your fault you didn't buy a ticket!! Some w$$ker who took the time to do so won. He / she is a memeber of an "elite group".

And again, as mentioned before, and I'm typing this slow for you Galdian so you don't miss the point, anyone going into a job not knowing all the risks and details is a fool.

Time and time again I've seen pilots willing to sell their grandmother for a job, get it and then turn into the type who b$tches about the aeroplane, the roster, the routes they fly, the money...... You asked for it, got it, and now complain for getting it.

Think before you act, or in some cases, before you type.

That's me signing off from this topic.... It's embaressing to waste time to respond to a fool. To the moderators, sorry if I'm out of line with some comments but there's only so much anyone can take. Galdian, you seem like the lowest level of mediocrity that has gotten by on the start date seniorty list all your life and career. Don't worry about effort, ability or professional integrity, that's for people involved in "elite groups" who put their hand up to be considered. Do your best, I won't respond. Over it.

[galdian]

:D:D:D:D:D
TopTup - whilst somewhat bemused at what triggered it all I have to acknowledge a truely excellent, excellent spray!
:D:D:D:D:D

Just a few points:
- "lowest level of mediocrity" is fine, "start date seniority list all your life and career" nope, sorry you're wrong there, airline and contract and I haven't stuffed up yet (but hey there's always tomorow:O);
- whilst some of the other airlines may get you to cough up the dough they do provide a guaranteed career path to command and (all things being equal) a position for as long as you want it, neither of which are guaranteed in this deal;
- if the deal relates specifically to RBA and one hopes that what has happened in the past repeats itself then fine, my GENERALISATION regarding contract work was that there are very very few contracts that allow for, or even hint at, upgrading to command, fact and in the contract world (sadly) co-pilot hours are almost useless, fact.

I am disappointed you did not read my posts more closely, suspect you may have read things that were not there but at the very least you may have gotten a better handle on the "elite group" thing which, as I said in my second posting, was a fair amount of "piss take" with a bit of irony, levity etc etc thrown in.
I am truly sorry you did not get that as it seems to have caused a touch (:eek:) of aggro.

Not everything on Pprune is posted in deadly earnest and thank god for that or else it'd be pretty boring!

Cheers :ok:
galdian

[IRISHPILOT]

Back to the topic?

a quick google shows the B777 rating at USD17570. If bought in bulk, this should be considerably less, adding the cost of a flight to get there, fee to put it on the license, hotel + transport, a rating should go for well under 17000. And then of course, as the airline will have you do the training according to their SOPs, they will save the OPC, which should show in the final price of the rating?! (minus 2000 or 3000 USD).

Alteon also offers an abbreviated rating for people with B737 experience for USD11370, and, as the have a sim in Tokyo and Singapore, should this be for KAL or Vietnam Airlines, you should get the rating for well under USD10000, as flights ought to be free...

Not a bad deal me thinks, if Rishworth and that company play fair, this is very acceptable, rather than being bonded.... - I realize these companies may not do it at cost, just want to show yous THEIR cost. Now go and calculate, taking the following into account:

Does Rishworth want it up front from yous or do you give them a bank guarantee and it comes out of the salary? Where do you stand if they cannot deliver on the job? You have to pay or they do? Be VERY careful if something comes out of your pocket upfront.

cheers IP.

[11percent]

out of interest, has anyone applied and what can they tell us all about the offer?

[trubru]

Any news about this?

[pinkflaps]

Heard from some guys that its Air India. So what can you expect from them??:suspect: