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Where should a member of the public report what seems to be an airprox incident?
I live in a low flying area so am quite used to aircraft appearing to be close!
In this case (11am: 09/08/07) a heavy passenger jet (perhaps training at NCL) was travelling E-W some 16miles NW of NCL and a BAe125 approaching W-E veered sharply S (putting on landing lights) to avoid. Both at 3-4000ft.
Is there any purpose in public making a report? I do understand how unreliable such reports may be!
MancBoy
9th Aug 2007, 10:49
If both were at 3-4000ft could I suggest that one could have been at 3 and the other at 4?
I wouldn't bother as if it were a proper airprox then the crews would be filing it themselves.
In order to see how close aircraft get I'm afraid you'd have to be at the same height as them, maybe up a big hill or a mountain
I do understand its impossible to fully judge the seperation - but the landing lights and avoiding action seemed to suggest I was not the only one thinking them close!
Just wondering if anyone thought ground observation of any use whatsoever.
MancBoy
9th Aug 2007, 11:06
Not really
The use of landing lights would also be of little use, it's not like flashing your lights at someone if they cut you up in your car or something.
Plus, can someone tell us where the landing lights are on a 125? Wing root or wheels?
Seemed to be wing roots. Certainly inner section of wing.
Bills, rest assured that if seperation was compromised and evasive was taken, the crews will file an airprox. Why in Heaven's name should an inexperienced member of the public, devoid of any facts, get involved in filing airprox reports? :ugh: No air traffic controllers or pilots would ever consider doing so based on a ground based sighting - and they are infinitely more experienced than you!
OK - questions fully answered - many thanks Avman!
ATCO Fred
10th Aug 2007, 22:14
Taken from the UK Airprox Board website.
Airprox definition An Airprox is a situation in which, in the opinion of a pilot or a controller, the distance between aircraft as well as their relative positions and speed have been such that the safety of the aircraft involved was or may have been compromised.
Reporting an Airprox
Only a pilot or air traffic controller can report an Airprox. Details of the procedures are given in UK AIP ENR Section 1.14 and UK AIP (MIL) ENR 1.14.
Regards
Fred