ATPL with kingair hours

[flykon]

Hello,
I've heard that in uk, we can pass the ATPL even if just with 500 Hours on beech 200 wich is not a JAR 23 commuter (and of course 1500 Total times) and it's not the case in France. Is it right?
Thanks

[potkettleblack]

AFAIK in order to get a full JAA ATPL you need amongst other things 1,500 hours total time, 500 of which are on a multi crew aircraft.

Now if the UK CAA has as part of a UK operators AOC stipulated that the Kingair must be flown as a two crew aircraft (whereas I think the manufacturer said it can be flown single pilot) then the 500 hours on that aircraft can count towards the issue of your ATPL. If the AOC says that it can be flown single pilot BUT the operators elects to fly it with 2 crew then I don't think the time spent as safety pilot in the RHS can be logged.

There are other requirements for ATPL issue as well which are all laid down in LASORS eg: number of night and PICUS hours etc etc.

[GusHoneybun]

Whislt the hours gained in a multi-crew environment on a single pilot aircraft count towards the issue of an ATPL, the actual ATPL skills test MUST be performed on a certified multi-crew machine.
So, you not qualify for your green book until you pass an LST on a multi-crew certified machine.

[potkettleblack]

Good point. Sorry you tend to take for granted that everyone has a Level D sim and that they can do the ATPL skill test as part of an add on during the latest OPC but clearly this wouldn't be the case.

[flykon]

The thing is that last year I pass an JAR 25 rating but I haven't a lot of hours on this aircraft, and I 've flown on the beech on the same time so more than 600 hours as captain and 2000hrs total times.
Anyway the beech is not a multi crew aircraft even if we have on our manual we fly it multi crew?

[angelorange]

You can obtain an MCC exemption (500 hrs needed) if the operation requires 2 crew. An example is Flight Inspection work where, under ICAO Annex 10, the task requires two pilot operation. Under these circumstances the hours all count towards ATPL issue.

However, the B200 and even the B1900 are certified single crew. The Jetstream 31 is lighter than the B1900 but certified Multi Crew. So you can get a JAR ATPL(A) on the Jetstream but not on the B200 or B1900.

To have the ATPL issued requires a skills test on a MPA / Sim.