NJME - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

[mali]

Is anybody else off to Paris in 2 weeks for the interviews, for the Jeddah basing?
Would be keen to hear from you.
Send me an email.
Cheers
Mali.

[mali]

Has anyone heard how they went in Paris last week with the NJME interviews???
I'm still waiting....
Cheers
Mali

[ETOPS MAN]

Would anyone have a good contact address/number for the Netjets Ops Dept in Jeddah? I would like to make contact with someone who works in the Ops/Dispatch Department there.

Thanks in advance.

[pilot dude]

NetJets Middle East
c/o National Air Services
P.O. Box 20402
Jeddah, 21455
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
966-2-652-0001
966-2-652-0394 FAX

[evolante]

Talking about Netjets - anyone got any input on Arabasco in Jeddah/ Riyadh? How are they doing?

[LAVDUMPER]

Anyone know how Netjets Middle East is doing in this economic climate (and state-of-war)?

Any NJME pilots out there? How do you like the job? What aircraft do you fly - and what types of trips do you fly (how far afield from Jeddah)?

How different are the trips in terms of range and length/duration for each aircraft type (Hawker, Falcon and Gulfstream)? Any examples?


Cheers

[LAVDUMPER]

I have seen a number of ads in Flight International for NetJets Middle East related to their "new" BBJ operation to start-up soon.

At the very bottom of the ad, it makes mention of a "unique" 35 day on, 31 day off schedule. Does that sound appealing to you? I am not sure... I suppose that could work for out-of-work European 737 drivers who would undoubtedly commute.

I have read about the pros/cons of living in Saudi Arabia. Besides those thoughts, why shouldn't someone consider this opportunity to fly a brand-new BBJ worldwide out of the Middle East?

Anyone know of any takers thusfar? Any comments related to this? Are there many European Captains and FOs considering this opportunity (i.e., ex-Sabena, Swissair, BMI, etc.)?

Any helpful comments about this opportunity?


Cheers

[mutt]

Lavdumper

One other BBJ operator that I know uses 2 month on and one off, so the 35 days on 31 days off sounds incredibly appealing, provided that they supply the tickets home. I also believe that the number of days off (31x5.5 approx) will allow people to keep their tax free status in certain parts of Europe.

AFAIK, that schedule applies to all of NJME crews and not just the BBJ drivers.

Mutt

[Will Rogers]

Anybody apply and get an answer?

Will

[Willie Everlearn]

e-mail response indicates they have been 'overwhelmed' by applicants and will be sending Applications to those deemed 'suitably qualified'.
Their concluding remark is that if you do not receive an application by or before March 15th...

thanks for trying. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[LAVDUMPER]

Willie,

Good to hear from you. Still looking for Middle East opportunities? I think flying a BBJ in the Middle East would be a great opportunity (especially with the great schedule they are proposing) - and it could set you up for Emirates... Sorry to hear about Canada 3K - any chance you will reunite with the new version?

What's your status now?


Best of luck,

Lav

[Willie Everlearn]

Lav

Lots of opportunity mate.
Lots of opportunity.
But not in Canada, eh?
Who knows what the future will bring?

Emirates??? Not me man.
Too old. Wish I were 35 again. It would make for easier decisions. And, I could re-think some of my decisions since leaving the sandbox.
(sic)
<img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

oh well.

[Cloudbasher]

I keep getting (now for the third time on e mail!)) invitations/application forms ect. to attend a Netjet (ME) interview at Le Bourget, this time in October, even though I have not applied...

The positions are for P1 on the 125....

Has anyone else received these and or attended?

Are they that desperate to resort to bulk e mailing?


Rgds


Cloudbasher:confused:

[flying masai]

I wish I was keeping receiving those.

[JoeCo]

No Kidding!!! Maybe I could pass on my email address to you and you could mysteriously have NJME start sending me job offers?? :D ;) However, I did heard that they might/would be doing interviews in France in October, but I did not know that they accepted direct entery left seat 125 Captains. I thought everyone had to start in the right seat and work their way over to the left regardless of the a/c type?? Any insight anyone?

Thanks,

Joe

[JoeCo]

Hey Cloudbasher,

I don't know what the hell you did, but I'm not complaining that's for sure!!! Just got an invite to the interview session in Paris at the end part of October!! via email no less ;) Really wasn't expecting that.

I know I might be flamed by others for saying this, but I'm quite excited about this opportunity. This might be my big break to get into the Corportae side of the industry!! A side I've craved to be in but only ever been able to see from the opposite side of the fence. Ok, maybe some don't think that NetJets is the end all and be all, but for me, where I am in my career, this is a BIG boost!! I hope that others can see it from my side and try and smile for me versus flaming me. Thanks

Now for my question, has anyone been thru a NetJets interview recently?? More specifically a NetJets Middle East interview? ANYTHING would be a great help.

Thank you to anyone that can offer me some advice, it'll be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Joe

[4HolerPoler]

Well done JoeCo - you've got a foot in the door. Don't let any bitter comments from those who didn't stay with the program or even get as far as you have deter you.

Keep us posted.

4HP

[jasonjdr]

Well done Joeco! Great to see some positive news on the forums! All the best at your interview. Puts some hope back into my step. Now back to that blanketing of CV's again!! My day will come :cool: !

[Cloudbasher]

Well done Joeco..

Drop me an email to confirm your travel arrangements, I hoping to get across there as well to see what it's all about.


Cloudbasher

[Lavdumperer]

JoeCo,

Congrats on the interview. Three quick questions for you or any Netjets ME pilots out there:

1. What is likely aircraft assignment for starting FOs (i.e., Hawker 800XP, Falcon 2000, etc.)?

2. Where would you likely be based?

3. Where do NJME pilots normally fly - regional flying around the Middle East or to Europe? What have you heard in terms of normal schedule for these pilots?


Good luck!

[JoeCo]

Hello All,

Thanks for the kind words. Fingers crossed and a lot of preparation and hopfully my life will take a drastic change for the better. We'll see what happens.

As for the Q's Lavdumper, this is what I can say as of right now, however I do not have all the facts as of yet.

1. I presume the entry level position is the right seat on a Hawker. That's what they have offered me.

2. No idea. Somewhere close to an international a/p is my understanding.

3. Proposed schedule is 35 on 31 off and the flying I imagine will take me to where ever the client wants to go, but I am expecting to stay mainly in the Mid East region.

http://www.netjets.com/fleet/H08/pdf/Jeddah.pdf


As for travel arrangements Cloudbasher, none yet, I'll have to get back to you.

[DXB]

I work for another company in th M.E, but stay in the same hotel as the NJME they are mainly based in Jeddah and stay in the Sheraton rather comforatble and always have a good laugh with them.They keep busy doing Riyadh,Sudan, Cario,Med flights.
See you guys in JED

[SAMARITANGO]

Hi JoeCo

I too am looking for some information on how to apply for NetJets ME. Any pointers?

You can email me at:

[email protected]

Thanks.

[JoeCo]

Hey Samiratango,

Can't really say that I have much to offer. Made an initial call to their office to see what was happening as far as hiring was concerned with the hope of perhaps speaking with the CP directly. Didn't get thru to the CP however the people I spoke to were quite friendly and helpful. Updated my resume and emailed it off to NJME. Made a follow up call and was able to talk to the CP. Really wasn't expecting much but he was very freindly and open and told me about the interviews at the end of the month and that I would be contacted one way or the other. Left it at that and next thing I know I'm getting an invite to the interview. I must say, I have NEVER had such sucess in calling a company, or speaking to the CP, or appliing for a position, or making a follow-up phone call as I have had with NJME, AND with such a fast reply that I was a surprised. And to be honest, I didn't think they would even consider me, however I guess I was wrong so I am quite happy with the way things have gone so far. That's really all I can say. Try it, it might work as well for you as it did for me??

Cheers,

Joe

P.S. SamTango, check you're P.M.'s

[SAMARITANGO]

Thanks a bunch, JoeCo

Check your PMs, please.

Did you call NETJETS in Ohio?

Sam:) :p

[JoeCo]

Nope, never called Ohio. I don't have the right to fly in the States so I figured I'd just be wasting my time. I think that if you apply online that the completed forms would most likely be submitted to HQ in Ohio and hence the reason I submitted to a division I figured I'd have a chance of flying for. As I understand it, most Mid East countries except any/all ICAO licences where as the NJ and NJE one would need there FAA and JAR licence respectively.

[CRJdude]

Hey DXB, (and anyone else)

Who do u fly for in ME. Any pilot openings there for US FAA ATP certified crew? I am really looking for any suitable job in the region to be close to my family.

Also, can u pull any strings with your NJME friends in getting an interview call? Their HR manager says "resume is on file for future reference" and no offer at all.

Thanks for the info.

[Bumz_Rush]

I have just read on a USA based ppune lookalike that Net Jet Middle East has been closed down, and is now part of Net Jet Europe.......fact or fiction....

[JoeCo]

You have a link to that PPrune look-a-like?? Specifically to the thread about the topic.

[mutt]

Not sure about the shut down part, but following 911 they did relocate all of their crew/families to Lisbon, its quite reasonable that they have done the same again.


Mutt.

[Bumz_Rush]

Check out flightinfo.com, message board, fractionals....not up to speed to hyperlink, but this is the full address:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=14

[falconflier]

Sent a resume end of 2002 responding to corporatepilot.com listing, received and completed application package early this year and got a phone call on my US cell Jan 20th advising of interviews in Paris end of March. Got the "adminstrative" thumbs down email Feb 24th. Anyone get a positive reply ?

[JoeCo]

Hey Faloconflier,

Those dates don't add up!?!? You got turned down before you even showed up?? Never heard of that happening before or did I not understand your post correctly? Can you offer more details, if you don't mind.

OH, by the way (meant to put this in before) if anyone missed it, they're looking for a GIV Instructor Pilot. Listed under National Air Service, but it's the same company. Good Luck to anyone that qualifies because it sure looks like a good package!!!

[falconflier]

No problem, JoeCo. I wasn't exactly clear. After having sent 2 completed updates over a 6 week period of the employment application package that was emailed to me, I received a voicemail on my cell on Jan 20 from a NJME captain saying to wait for yet another application that would be sent to me requiring a picture to be included as an attachment, and TO EXPECT an interview to be held end of March in Paris. I received the rejection email/form letter on Feb 24th. Hope that's a bit more clear.

[daisydaze]

Yes....I received the same "can you come for interview?", followed by the NO due to "administrative" reasons we will put you on hold for future consideration.
Oh - I am not a pilot, but a Flight Attendant......have heard there is a slight problem with work visa's being issued.

Perhaps that is just the rumour but the less then calm political situation does make that a seem fairly understandable.

[Bikerpilot]

Gentlemen,

It's business as usual at NAS / NJME. That means getting paid loadsamoney to sit round the pool and go to the gym and fly approx 20-50 hrs on your 35 on then go home for 31 off to recover. Dream job.

Some Management pilots and senior admin staff were relocated to LIS after 9/11 at the request of EJI Management. They are on EJI contracts, not Saudi NAS contracts.

Interviewing for Flight attendants this week .

DaisyDaze

Just read your post. Yes, correct what you've been told. The Co. is having trouble getting visas for British and Irish F/A's. It's been going on for a few months. They only get a certain quota per year for each nationality.

[falconflier]

Speculation about the some of the pilot rejections was that FAA certificates are no longer acceptable. Can anyone give any further info about that ?

[Bikerpilot]

Falconflier

For NJME you MUST have an FAA ATPL . Some people have been interviewed without one, but all co.asks is you do your FAA written before starting groundschool. Interviews are being held around 23/24 March in Paris for all 3 fleets.

[CRJdude]

Hi

Yep i got the same "Aministrative" email after receiving an invite for the Paris interview. Strange, it seems like only the US pilots got the turn down. Anyone know anything?

CD

[Bikerpilot]

CRJ Dude

To update you all: The interviews were scheduled for last week of March, then postponed,then scheduled again. 90% of those selected for these interviews are US Citizens. Recommend you contact NAS HR dept asap, sat-wed,GMT +3.

Good luck !

[Skaz]

hi guys

could you lot in the corporate yet world tell me which types are flown the most by companies such as Netjets (ME) ?

Seems like the Lear 35/36's are very popular

Also if anybody knows the minimum req the Netjets group look for in FO's as a starting position....:}

thanks a lot

[Will Rogers]

Skaz,

The Lear 35/36 is popular as they are both great airplanes (pretty much the same really). Only problem is that the cabin is a bit on the small side. It is however a great airplane to fly!!! :D

Netjets operate a large number of Hawkers (800 I believe :confused: ) and some other stuff such as Falcons, Gulfstreams and Citations. Absolutely no Bombardier products though (i.e. Learjets, etc.).

One of the most popular biz-jets today has got to be the Challenger 604 (if you have the money to spend :} ). Other then that there is quite a few Citations (500/550/560/560XL) and Falcons (20/50/900EX) around Europe. There are a few Gulfstreams as well but not many registered in Europe.

Chers,

Will

[JoeCo]

Hey Skaz,

Just to make Will's post exact, the Hawkers that NJME flies are the 800XP's. They also have Falcon 2000's and GIV's. How many of each, never got any exact figure as to fleets size.

Hey Will, you brought up a good point about NetJets and the fact that they have ZERO Bombardier products. I had always wonder this. I could speculate that someone pissed someone else off and hence the reason why no Bombardier products ever made the line with NetJets, but do you or anyone else out there know for a fact why exactly that is??

Of course I am fully aware of Bombardiers fractional ownership program, FlexJet, but I thought that NetJets was around long before FlexJet ever was? If that if fact, I would have thought that NJ would have considered the Bombardier line of a/c's??

Cheers,

Joe

[Skaz]

JoeCo hi mate, whats happening? no gen yet....?

Will Rogers thanks for the gen, so for Netjets the Lear is out, which of the rest would be the best option for conversion?

Challenger604.....Gulfstream GIV / V.....Citation

Looks like the Citation is a very popular a/c , GV verrryyy sexy though..sigh:p

Lears popular for EMS ops, the rest for charters ?

[JoeCo]

Looks like BBJ's to be added to the fleet as well. Just saw a posting for crew. .....Must be nice!?!?:rolleyes:

[JoeCo]

Hey Folks,

Wanted to bring this thread back to the top because I was kind of hoping that someone could answer my previous about the lack f Bombardier products within NetJets.

Any takers.

P.S. If Bikerpilot is reading this, sorry mate, can't seem to get a PM through to you. Something to do with the attact a few days back. If you're having troubles sending me one, perhaps you can try me at my [email protected]. (I think that's right?!?!) Cheers

[Aerohack]

JoeCo: Until late 2001 it was Bombardier policy not to sell its business aircraft to frax operators that were competitors for Flexjet. At the NBAA Convention in New Orleans that year Peter Edwards, then Bombardier's EVP for business aircraft sales, announced a change of policy: "In the formative period for Flexjet, there was a certain reluctance (to sell to other fractional operators). It’s a more mature program today. If a Flexjet competitor wanted to buy a new Learjet, Challenger, Continental or a Global Express, we would keep an open mind."

[JoeCo]

Aerohack,

Good post and thanks for the info. I wonder if their change of heart is due to their lack of success with FlexJet?? Well I do not have an inside or direct sources, but from what I hear, FlexJet is not doing so hot. Anyhow, I guess we shall see what happens.

Joe

[falconflier]

Saw it on corporatepilot.com. Hawker, Falcon & types required with 4K TT. A nephew flying for NJA was under the impression that the whole operation was moved to Lisbon under NJE. When I said I didn't think it to be the case, he dissagreed. I know that topic was discussed here several months back. Wondered what the real story was. Thanks.

[mutt]

Nice try Mike, but i think that he meant NetJetsMiddleEast had moved to Lisbon under NetjetsEurope......... Not the US based operation.......

Back to the original question.... "dont know".......


Mutt.

[falconflier]

Anyone have any luck with the online system ? Can't seem to get it to save my inputs. Also, does anyone have any info on upcoming hiring or interviews ? Aviation week reported that they arranged financing for 3 G300s and 2 Hawker XPs at the Dubai show. Thanks.

[JoeCo]

You sure it was NJME that annunced the purchase of G300's?? I thought it was Royal Jet(s) in Abu Dhabi??? But of course, I'll be the first to admit that I could be wrong. Regardless, let me know.

Joe

[mutt]

Dec 09 2003.

Saudi Arabia's National Air Services orders multiple Gulfstream G300 aircraft for use in the Middle East
Gulfstream Aerospace, a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD) and National Air Services (NAS), the largest and fastest growing independent provider of private aviation services in the Middle East, announced today a firm order for three large-cabin, mid-range Gulfstream G300 aircraft.

Full story is here....

[URL=http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/32056.html]


Mutt

[jokela]

Hi everybody!

Does anybody have any personal experience of working for NetJets Middle East? I just got a call from them about an interview. Any information is definately welcome.

[tomcat21]

I got the call this morning. For the HS125. They have interviews set up in Paris 3-8 thru the 10th.

[AIRWAY]

Hello,

Air Luxor corporate jets ( which 49% is netjets i think ) will open a hub in the middle east ( forgot where, but i will try and find out ) and base 3 new aircraft there, this is according to the press release by Air Luxor in Portugal yesterday.

[Xshongololo]

For all those Jeddah chaps with NJME on 35\31.....
and of course anyone else with the knowledge.

If you are on the above roster what situation do you get in regarding getting taxed at your home base.
Iunderstand if you are living in USA you get taxed regardless.
I think if your base is UK you get clobbered by the Taxman if you reside in the UK greater than 180 days in a fiscal year.?
Unlikely to happen with NJME.
Is there anyone who can tell me what its like for countries such as Spain,Portugal,Italy or Cyprus and what the tax rates are like there and the temporal thresholds when one must start paying them.

For example.......if I am based in Portugal and for 6 months of the year am away on duty....will I get taxed and by how much.
If there is a taxman reading this have a good day.
PM me if a response might make the taxwomans eyes water.......

Xshong

[Bumz_Rush]

I have almost given up seeking employment with NJME.

CV's by E mail, Fax and by hand.....

G4, and Hawker, JAA and FAA, 10,500 hrs.....experience in ME.

Never mind.....better luck next time...

[jammers]

Sorry to burst your bubble matey but you, at NET JETS, are considered an untrainable airline BULUGA pilot who will cause more problems than you're worth seeing that you have the experience to look through.
1. Illegal FTL's
2. You will operate to the MEL as a professional.
3. You will recognize the contract they present is not worth the
paper it's written on.
4. You will not fit in to the category of being a 'Yes Man'
Etc. etc. etc.
Sincerely

[mutt]

Jammers,

Are you talking about NJME????

I know of around 10 very experienced airline pilots who have just joined them, knowing some of them quite well, they certainly arent YES men and do know how to read FTL's and MEL's......


Mutt.

[AIRWAY]

Just remembered, Dubai will be the new base for Air Luxor Corporate Jets.

[what_goes_up]

Thought NAS is looking for A320 driver based in RUH?

But maybe that is another ops

Cheers

PS: Anybody able to submit details on NAS homepage? Can insert but not submit!

[Bumz_Rush]

The NJME page refers recruitment back to USA. Unless you know otherwise.

I sent E mail to recruitment in USA, and had a cc back showing that they had sent my request to NJME.

Dubai, now that would be a very interesting selection for basing the operation.

But I still have no feedback from NJME.

Bumz

[mutt]

what_goes_up.

They are looking for RUH A320 crews, but appear to be hiring non-rated people with Saudi passports.


Mutt.

[what_goes_up]

Bad luck then. But thanks for the info anyway mutt!

Got my file posted via e-mail. But no response yet.

Cheers

[Flight_Cru]

RE GB, the 180 days is only pasrt of the cunning plan. The real figure is 90. Check out the IR site, (sorry do not know it). I understand but can not confirm that the Spanish is 180 days. The French system is well discussed in PPrune. AS to the others I know there are several Challengers in Cyprus, perhaps whent hey return from the pub we might get an answer. Unless they only rread Terms Forum.

[bluesafrica]

In Finland its 60 days and you pay tax!
Blues

[JoeCo]

It looks like 319 pilot's is what they are looking for, at least according to the climbto350 page.

[dustrat]

There was a major meeting at NAS yesterday.
Net-Jet situation was mentioned and top management made it clear that a decision will be made in the next days as to know if the operation will be either re-scalled or...shutt-down.

More as soon as I have more!

[bluesafrica]

Any more news about they plans?
Blues:sad:

[dustrat]

So far no news...
But I will update anytime I hear something valuable.

[you all ready]

When an accessment day for NJME is completed, can one expect a reply of any discription??

[you all ready]

They didn't want me.

It was a good day out and a fairly run assessment and I have no complaints.

The dream is dead.

Happy for the guys that made it.

[montys ex teaboy]

I am beginning to wander how long NJME are going to stay put before they run out of KSA.

Bet their crews are not roaming around the sukes in the evenings.

[Bumz_Rush]

word on the street is they are still recruiting......

[chinny]

Hey Bumz-how u doing-can confirm they are;) they just requested my info via a recruiting agency:confused:

[scambuster]

the new headquarters will be here.http://www.thunderbirdsonline.com/site/characterprofiles/index.html

[Holding Short]

They are looking for Captains and Co's in today's flightinternational.com web-page. I Would like to know about their new contract if they have one?

HS:suspect:

[NoJoke]

Are we talking about the guys in Saudi getting the A319?

[mutt]

NoJoke,

This is where it gets confusing, NAS are starting two seperate operations, one VIP A319 and one scheduled service A319. Totally different packages for both.

I believe that its based around 2 and 4 aircraft.

Mutt.

[NoJoke]

Been offered a job on the 319. 6 weeks on 3 weeks off. $6,400. They said they are doing it in conjuction with Saudia.

[V12]

This is NAS-Saudia, but the orig thread was what is happening to NJME; I heard they were considering withdrawal from M.E.

[hawkerboy]

I have been offered a position in Netjets Middle East, I have read some of the old treads in Pprune.
Are there any present NJME pilots that can give me some inside on day to day operations.
-When is the perdiem paid? How?
-How do you get the airlines tickets at the end of your rotation?
Does the company just provide whatever cheapest airfare they can find? Or do you have a say on what airline you prefer to fly back home to Europe or America?
-How is the housing in Jeddah?
Any more scoops would be greatly appreciated.
Let' hear it.
Thanks.

[Flintstone]

I believe that during the pre-interview presentation it is stated that the per diems will be paid in advance at the beginning of each tour.

[grumpypilot]

Hawker boy...
I know people in NJME so I can pretty much guarantee that what I tell you here is accurate.

Per diem is normally paid a day or 2 before you start your 35 day tour.. Paid into bank account of your choice.

Housing in jeddah..no..you will almost certainly be given hotel accommodation.

Tickets are given to you at end of rotation..probably sent to your hotel, or perhaps collect at airport on departure. You will also get your return ticket then.

You travel cattle class to and from home, unless you can convince that airline to give you upgrade.

You don't have a choice of what airline you travel. However, you can request to take a flight "home" to a different destination so long as you agreee to pay any additional cost involved.

Be careful with the 31 days "off"..you may (almost certianly) have to use up your off time to do simulator training on less perdiem than normal.

Be wary of the compnay mobile phone calls. They say you only pay for personal calls but they sometimes say that certain company calls also get charged to you.

Beware of verbal promises...get things in writing before you start.

You may be expected to work first 2 months without a break due to the time it takes them to organise your training.

Continually cover your ass.

Enjoy saudi

[Bumz_Rush]

Grumpy, you have the poop scoop....I am aware of the "downside", however I do like the Hilton Jedda.....

Are they looking for G550 Captains.....

[Ty Webb]

Can anyone tell me what they are paying the 737NG/BBJ Captains?
Cheers.

[crazy_max]

The base salary for the BBJ captains is around 6500 to 8000 USD, depending on experience....

[Ty Webb]

Thanks Crazy-Max, what extras apply beyond the base salary,and what sort of experience are they after?
Cheers Ty Webb.

[Mr Ree]

Hi Crazy Max, a favour please. I have searched the pprune forums for a netjets Middle East contact address (missed the Flight Int. address) and nothing found. I would like to add my lot to the application queue. A 320 & B 737 NG Capt , eyes wide open & keen on the on/off lifestyle.
I realise I'm late for the present intake but want to try for the next batch.
Hope you or one of your colleagues can help. :ok:

[LGW Vulture]

Mr Ree, hope you didn't miss this !! (http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152400) :uhoh:

[crazy_max]

[email protected]

[Mr Ree]

Great stuff max. Many thanks.

[GULFMAN]

I just got called for an interview which includes a written test with Net Jets Middle East. Does anyone have an idea of the type questions they ask for the written test?
:confused:

[Flintstone]

Nothing too tricky. Basic maths, verbal reasoning, spatial awareness.

Answers all multiple guess.

Good luck.

[GULFMAN]

That sounds real cool thanks a zillion Flinstone. :D

[viplass]

Hey Gulfman
written test will be nothing at all to worry about as they are desperate for crew and even struggle to get people to attend interviews from what I hear. Do you really know what you are letting yourself in for????? You will be hard pushed to find any staff there that arent looking elsewhere ( apart from certain nationalities with no standards and incapable of ever saying NO). I believe 3 captains just resigned from Gulfstream in last month...heard (dont know how true) they are having trouble finding pilots type rated for Gulfstream for money/package being offered so they are taking captains from Hawker fleet to Gulfstream then will externally recruit for Hawker.

[flyinggromit]

What are their minimum requirements?
Thanks!

[B200Drvr]

I am looking for a contact that is currently at NJME that can give me info on flying in the Hawker fleet.
PM me if you dont want to post.
Thanks

[Flintstone]

You have mail.

[Woolsack]

I am new to all this so I apologise if I have posted in the wrong place.

Please could somebody give me any up to date information regarding National Air Services (NAS) who are usually known as NetJets ME. I would be grateful to receive any information, good or otherwise....

[Flintstone]

Hi Woolsack.

I got your PM and replied. In the meantime using the 'search' function in this forum should give you all the posts on NJME.

Cheers

Flinty

[Fossy]

Hi

NAS is not NJME. NJME only flies under the AOC of NAS. As you can imagine, it's not so easy to start an own AOC in KSA, therefore NJME pay to use the AOC of NAS

Brgds

[Woolsack]

Thanks to you both for the info. If there is anyone currently working there I would very much appreciate a pm.

[international hog driver]

Anyone else been give a short notice invite for a sim and chat at Farnborough this weekend???

Might see you there

[joehunt]

No


A little bit more than a sim and a chat, which is what NJ require.


I did the above, then NAS got hold of the thing and included a tough (for me) questionnaire about everything, including maths, with IRCC 120 q's in an hour. Got the impression they were looking for rocket scientists. That is all very well if the job was in "paradise" and a $200,000/year, but Jeddah??!! Give me a break.


Unless NAS have woken up, or you are pretty sharp I would brush up if I were you.


No again I didn't get the job.

[prm1]

Got a Phone Call from NJME on Wednesday with an interview invite for Friday and Saturday at FSI.. Had to immediately book a flight all the way from Australia to Heathrow.. Booked into the Marriott with 12 hours leeway..... Better be worth it! :confused: Say they are going to reimburse me for all costs... Hope so! Spent $4000 so far

[international hog driver]

Tuesday for me,
Presentation
Sim
Panel
What i have been told, also it seems that if you already have an FAA ticket its a plus.
I have been told (by my ex CP) that there were interviews held in the US not to far back and there was vey little uptake, maybe this explains the short notice.
I am in the same boat as you, currently on the road and have had to wing it arrive LTN very late friday after my boss releases me.

edit....late news
search NJME on google found that they are due to take 3 G350 this year..
goes most of the way to explaining the rush.

[B200Drvr]

Make that G450s and 4 HS 125 750s

[LGW Vulture]

....plus 2 pre-owned Hawker 800XP's...! ;)

[prm1]

Did the interview. Pretty standard stuff. Few questions on proceedures on Jep Plates. Few what if questions.. What would you change about yourself if you could questions. Sim ride is pretty tough. Two 80 mile sectors in a GIV two crew ops no help from FMS. One ILS each sector entry and hold pilot interpreted.. All went OK for me but a few guys said they really blew it.. Pm me for more info.. Maybe see you in the pit :ok:

[JoeCo]

I know ACASS is sourcing pilots for NJME. See they are advertising for the G4and Hawker fleet, but strange no F2000 pilots needed?

Did you guys/gals get your call directly from NJME/NAS or from ACASS?

From what I heard, 35 on/ 31 off dont get paid on your time out but if you sign on for the year they will pay you the equivilant of 7 months salary.

Monthly wages were ok, but when only get it for 7 months sure does not make the offer very attractive, at least in my opinion. ...and to be in Jeddah for 35 ...better hope the planes are busy!! Furthermore, no guarantee what a/c you're interviewing for or will get if offered the job. That also takes the excitment out of the offer.

Any other offers/promises or is that what the rest of you understood or where offered??

Thanks

[Treetopflyer]

Hi there

Three questions for the ones in the know:

- Do they hire direct-entry captains, or only F/Os initially like NJE?

- Can you confirm they actually pay you during your 31 days off (I thought so)?

- Are they open to hiring crews currently working for other NJ branches (NJA/NJI/NJE)?

Thanx for your time guys... :ok:

TTF

[4144r]

Hi 3top,
For all your questions, the answer is yes.
I declined the offer due to the base (jeddah only!)
Soft landing

[JoeCo]

Hey Defenestrator,

If you are refering to my post, what's with the attitude?? I was only askign a question.

I have done my homework and I have discovered a conflict in the information that I have and I was hoping that someone in the know could clarify for me.

I was only quoting what I was told from the ACASS rep that has contacted me. I have provided the basics of that offer. However what i knew to be the terms & conditions (granted, perhaps old info but still was directly from NAS/NJME) is different then those that I have from ACASS. If you could, please clarify what the actually terms and conditions.

Perhaps while you are at it, maybe you know why it is that ACASS is now involved with the recruiting of the pilots and why they will only pay for 7 months when I knew that NJME paid 12.

If this is too much to ask, then please accept my appologies. Hopefully some will be able to answer with a more acceptable tone.

As for Jeddah, ...it appears as if others feel the same way. However I'm not lettinbg that stop me, I just hope the airplanes are flying lots.

Joe

[ct310r]

ACASS is having trouble filling these vacancies.

35 paid on and 31 unpaid off. $100 pd /day for the 35 days on.

If not typed then its a 2 year committment at the initial contracted compensation. There are no adjustments in the initial contract.

No committment as to what a/c. I read that as you get the Hawker. Gulfstream is mentioned as a teaser.

NJME is NOT part of NetJets. It is NAS licensed to do business as Netjets ME. You can't flow over to the other NJets orgs.

NJME structured under Pt 135 BUT OPERATED under Pt 91 !!!! This should grab your attention.

The more questions I asked the more evasive the ACASS individual was. I walked away from this one.

Make your own decision.

[international hog driver]

I have been offered a position with NJME and will be taking it.

My reasoning is the rotation pure and simple. Less time dealing with the local bs the better (ok ok the pay is 20% better than my current gig)
Their are a lot worse rotations and a lot worse money out there.
Some of you think its not a good deal......

Well there was a wide range of guys from all over the planet, loco 737, 747, Private 320 drivers and the rest of us corporate tin pushers.

They let you base at almost any major gateway in the world, the $$$$ are tax free and given that you will be doing plenty of flying your time in JED will go past pretty quick.

If the package was not that attractive then why, have so many experienced heavy and light corporate drivers been showing up?

See http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=274018

I hope Skip's deal is the real thing.

See you in the sandpit!

[ct310r]

NJME
ACASS is having trouble filling these vacancies.

35 paid on and 31 unpaid off. $100 pd /day for the 35 days on.

If not typed then its a 2 year committment at the initial contracted compensation. There are no adjustments in the initial contract.

No committment as to what a/c. I read that as you get the Hawker. Gulfstream is mentioned as a teaser.

NJME is NOT part of NetJets. It is NAS licensed to do business as Netjets ME. You can't flow over to the other NJets orgs.

NJME structured under Pt 135 BUT OPERATED under Pt 91 !!!! This should grab your attention.

The more questions I asked the more evasive the ACASS individual was. I walked away from this one.

Make your own decision.


To clarify one more thing about the ACASS offer. You are employed by ACASS under contract to NJME. You are not an employee of NJME but report to ACASS.

Apparently there are people getting hired directly by NJME/NAS with much more lucrative compensation. My information is what was provided by ACASS and is correct.

[ukipilot]

I don't undedrstand why everone is using ACASS, they suck!!!
Not only do you not get paid on your off days, but you do not get the medical plan either or for some the bonus.

I was hired as a G4 captain, I will be going to Jeddah next week. I was hired through Jet Professionals. JP also recruits for NJME in the US, in fact I think that JP started recruiting first back in December. I do get paid every month, even my off months, I also get the bonus of one months salary for each year that i am there, and i get the medical plan and life insurance plan.

Once hired, JP is no longer involved, we are now considered full time NAS employes. Acass pilots are controlled by Acass and are considered part-time pilots.

So if you want the better deal, JP is the way to go

[international hog driver]

My contract is for the Hawker.

Why would you want to work the following:

On/Off(days) Operator

12/10 Comlux
18/12 Jetalliance
17/13 GlobalJet Lux
28/14 CJM

Most of the rest are full time jobs even though the money varies. I would much rather spend my work days in the sunshine than in a hotel in Moscow as a lot of the touring jobs are now.

Its all about lifestyle and what YOU want to do.

The selling point is 35/31 and it is the only way they are going to keep talent if the BS-o-meter keeps climbing in the industry.

[Chippie Chappie]

:hmm: I think Defenestrator owes someone an apology...don't you?

[ukipilot]

JP also has 35/31 as a schedule, just offers a better deal than ACASS as an overall package

[Defenestrator]

Joeco,
Sorry if you feel offended. I (and most) know little of the offer from the employment company. Sounds very ordinary. Most with NAS are employed directly. The conditions of employment are quite good. I know little of the ACAS offfer. I jumped the gun. Again.......sorry 'bout that.

D

[JoeCo]

Well it is quite clear that the ACASS offer is the 'low ball' of the recruitment companies. However, from what I have heard, that is typical of ACASS.

As for JP and NAS/NJME, ....HOW do we get in touch with them!?!? I've applied weeks ago on the JP websitem they acknowledged recieving my details but I have heard nothing. I have also applied multiple time to the HR dept at NAS/NJME but no acknowledgment or anything. Anyone have any advide?

D, yes I think you did jump the gun. Others I spoke to figured you must be ACASS Management. Any truth to that? Regardless, it is quite clear that my post will make others aware of the diferent packages on offer by the various recruitment companies recruiting for the NAS/NJME. Your appology is accepted.

My homework is done, I wil continue to pursue NAS/NJME but not with ACASS. ...Now, who has the info I'm lookign for?

Cheers,

Joe

[Jockstrap]

NJME interview
Hiya

Is ther anybody out there who has recently attended Farnbourough for interview/assessment? Any info appreciated, ie typical questions & sim profile, does it tend to follow the NJE format?

Yeah, This is a duplicate of the post on the ME forum but not to worry it's intentional - not too much jet juice!

[Flintstone]

My standard answer to this question is "use the search function" but I'm in a generous mood this evening :8

There's a technical written exam that a brush up of your ATPL subjects should cover. Basic aerodynamics, swept wing, terminology, performance terminology (TODA/TORA/LDR etc).

Sim seems to be the Embraer 145 these days but in the past that's been subject to sim availability.

Scenario questions along the lines of what would you do if............passenger wants to turn back, baggage won't fit and my personal favourite, the captain arrives at hotel check-out the worse for wear :hmm:

Seriously though, a search will tell you the latest feedback if that's what you really want.

[teresad]

Does anybody know how to apply NJME?trough the NAS web so many problems, not working. Any address and contact name to send it by post?
Many thanks in advance

[lowy4sure]

These guys will **** you until you bleed...................

The guys that interviewed me all left within 6 months of the interview.

The company doesn't honor any contract and you will be lucky to get paid. This is why ACAAS is now hiring crew for the Hawkers........ the main company stopped paying salaries and the crew left. FA jioning were told 1 on 1 off. On erival the salry was reduce $500 an dthey were on 3 months before being ALLOWED to leave the country................ If you can work in Europe, try Net Jets tere. In Saudi there are no human rights nor legal system to un do any change in the contract they throw at you.

They have over 200 dministration staff collecting pay checks and only 30 would ever show up to work......................

It is a grab a rating and run exercise but it will be painful

[B200Drvr]

Lowy4sure, Do you actually work for NJME ?? It is very easy to make any company look bad by talking bringing up a few negatives, bet it wouldn't look so bad if you added all the positive aspects. As for Saudi, sorry it does not live up to you standards, but it is their country, and they can govern it how ever they please. Take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the splinter out of someone else's !!
On second thoughts, reading through all your posts it is clear you will make comment on anything whether you know what you are talking about or not !!

[president]

int hog driver,

The roster at Global Jet Luxembourg is 15/13 and not 17/13. check http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/factfile.php?id=3gs2hq86w4xmwsjmc6zkqa34h36hzz7r5pe60b2k5nvs 3303zpc for more details.

[jeyjey]

Hi folks,
I've heard NJME/NAS is recruiting / looking for Pilots? Does anyone have a contact address or email adress? The registration process for applying on the NAS website doesn't work in my case. Anyone have informations? I really appreciate your help...cheers Jens

[bearon]

Been invited to interview @ DFW in January. Can anyone tell me what they are paying the G-IV Captains?
Any other words of wisdom?

Have done the NJME search.

Thanks,

[gtale77]

They are paying a Buck 15 per year for G-IV Captain. 96 for HS-125 Captain.

The G-IV Captain Position is a tease. Most people will be chosen for the Hawker. One or two for the Falcon

[AbuK]

NJME ain't that bad. Living in a beach resort on the red sea and barely flying cos te a/c are tech. Hmm, can think of worse.
Anyway rumour is base is about to move....

[ukipilot]

Have not heard that rumor about us moving from Jeddah, it seems that we are pretty much established in our office building there, even moving part of maint. over there, but I have heard a rumor about us moving farther away from NAS and blending in with the rest of NetJets. Would love to see us blended in with NJE.

[tntmk]

anyone know the FO mins to apply for NAS (NJME) or what would be competitive ? I saw somewhere else 1500TT with IATP. Thanks

[B200Drvr]

2000 tt me thinks is the ballpark

[international hog driver]

According to the COM that I have its 1500TT for the Hawker, 2000 and 3000 for the F2K & GIV respectively. However I believe that these are flexible depending existing time on type.

[joehunt]

Why on God's earth would anyone want to jion a s*** outfit like that? There are plenty of jobs everywhere else, so if you can only get in with that lot, then you are in trouble, career wise.

[tntmk]

are they taking folks without jet time? I'll be about 1600 with an ATP not too long from now but no jet time... do you guys still like it out there? What's the current pay for FO positions?

[inner]

Does anybody know the current entry requirements for the F/O??

Or give at least an email adress so i can ask?

tx

[pasky]

I have an interview with NJME and was wondering if anyone had information on the interview process....such as questions, test and sim profile. Thanks

[Iver]

What aircraft are NJME hiring into recently? What aircraft can you reasonably expect for low-time (but meet qualifications) vs. high-time candidates?

Also, how often do you fly your aircraft type to Europe vs. staying in Middle East area?

[insert_name]

im bringing this one back,

are there any NJME drivers interested in a PM???

thanks

i_n

[wichita560]

I would like updated information on the current life at NJME.

Anybody working there available for PM Thanks

[iahtexan747400]

I would like some info too....Please

[Gisa.Rj]

HI!!

Im new here at pprune and I was wondering if somebody could help me. I am trying to get into NAS/NJME, but is so hard. Has anyone emails or address where I could send my CV???
Cheers :ok:

Hi!!

Im looking for same kind of information, did you found anything???

[17004]

Do you think that they might be hiring in the next year?

[CitationsRock4me]

Not until the NAS stuff gets straightened out.

[Fletner007]

Hello, things are going up, go to climb350, on all types there are hiring, good luck.
Cheers.