Nosewheel collapse at Birmingham (EGBB)

[Fried_Chicken]

Whilst being pushed off stand tonight at Birmingham, the Jetstream 41 operating EZE56B (Brum - Inverness) suffered a nosewheel collapse blocking the central cul-de-sac. No (major) injuries reported I understand.

I'm lead to believe the tug & tow bar were still attached at the time of the collapse

FC

[AltFlaps]

Yup,

Saw it obstructing the Whiskey taxi way as taxied out ...
Tug and bar still attached. All very serene with bags being unloaded from the hold (whose ass was in the air).

Anybody know the cause ?
Does the Jetstream nose gear retract in a forward motion or rearward ?
Lets hope it wasn't tug vs brakes

[tallaonehotel]

The 41 NLG retracts in a fwd motion, I'm glad no one was seriously injured.
No cause as yet, Looks like G-MAJZ was the offending airframe.

[FlyboyUK]

Was taxying in when this happened. The crew mentioned to ATC that the ground crew were having difficulty removing the tow bar. Then a call was heard saying that they had broken the noseleg and requested emergency services.

Similiar thing happened with a BRAL J41 in Dublin several years ago when an over zealous ground crew broke the down lock on the nose gear.

[old,not bold]

Re last post...

Never learn from our listakes, do we.

Safety Management System, anyone?

[BAe146s make me cry]

This is 2007. You simply have to 'appear' to be following SOP's
to keep the UKCAA happy:mad:

BAe146 and tickbox qualifications/targets etc???:{:{

[spannerless]

Yes, lesson's are learned but often forgotten or worse blissfully ignorant however things to consider when towing!

1.Know which way the undercarrige folds!

So you know in which direction you will end up overriding the shear pin in he towing arm and not use the undercarrige as a shear pin:E

2.The correct towing arm (See answer below as some look identical but are for different A/C)

3. The correct shear pin

4. Wind or at least side wind's have a major factor (Yes I seen a wessex wheel and strut torn off, wasn't me:})

5. Slopes where the A/C is parked

6. Fuel loads with certain A/C types.

happy towing chaps!

:E

[The Bartender]

...and not to mention:

- Hook up the towbar, and then the tug...
- Disconnect the tug, and then the towbar...

- ...and make sure the pedals don't get slippery when wet...
Even a little 12-ton, nearly dead, 20 year old, tug will rip the nosegear off a 19 ton Dash 8, if given the oportunity....
It makes the same sound as stepping on an empty beer-can... ...only much louder...

Glad it wasn't me.. Three months in the hangar...:rolleyes:

[holyflurkingschmitt]

Rumour in the grape vine is it was a hand brake v tug incident :( ouch

[surely not]

Shock horror Holyfs, wouldn't that mean that it was a mistake by the flight deck and not the grubby ground crew!!!

Lessons not learned etc.......... pay peanuts get monkeys :}

[we_never_change]

I understand ATC cancelled the push back clearance so the crew applied the brake only for the ground crew to continue pushing

WNC

[The Bartender]

Hehe.. That'll do it... :D

[BaggageBob]

G-MAJP Powered back onto the grass at Dundee this morning.
Sank about 6 inches.
Rescued some hours later with the help of the Scotairways tug and some spades.

[Dogma]

Is this airline Eastern Airways? The subject of that TV programme? Seems they have more incidents than the rest put together.

What was the result of the Wick investigation - sounded very doggy.

[Wellington Bomber]

Baggagebob

When Eastern do powerbacks, I am sure that they are guided by groundstaff, what the hell was he doing then guiding them on the grass?

[Hotel Uniform Yankee]

Dogma,

I assume you are referring to the J32 which landed wheels up last year and then flew to ABZ. I have not heard anything about the report on this yet, has it been published?

[BaggageBob]

Wellington Bomber

He was jumping up and down in an attempt to get him to stop! as his formal signals were being ignored.

He even went as far as calling the tower (radio attached to headset) and asking the tower to tell the aircraft to stop!

All in vain it would seem.

What more can one do ?

[captchaos]

we_never_change......why was the nosegear forward of the aircraft and not underneath it then? I know....because that didn't happen! I was on the flight deck at the time and that is just not true, tug driver tried to pull the a/c forward without speaking to the flight deck first nor calling for brake release is the heavily edited version.

[mad_jock]

G-BUVC's accident report.

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/publications/formal_reports/3_2008_g_buvc/g_buvc_report_sections.cfm