Farnborough Jobsworth

[Flintstone]

I know these threads run in R&N but as this is particular to those who use Farnborough I thought I'd post it here.

One of the 'security':hmm: staff at Farnborough is on a mission to get himself promoted and to demonstrate how good he is has chosen to ambush anyone and everyone he sees airside not wearing a high viz.

No matter if you hop out of your aircraft to pull the chocks or as I witnessed yesterday step onto the concrete to greet passengers this zealot will race up to you in his little car with the 'I Am Important' light on top and demand to know your identity for the purpose of "....recording your name and registering this as a warning...":rolleyes: Purleeeese. The crew concerned were simply stunned as he berated them in front of passengers.

If the self important little twerp is reading this I have news for him. Your plan to get transferred into the terminal has backfired and your colleagues find it all highly amusing. I was told yesterday "He'll get in here (the terminal) when Hell freezes over".

Now, get back in your Noddy car and bugger off.

[redsnail]

I haven't been to Farnborough for ages.
Now I can't wait. :E

[Tinstaafl]

Wonder how annoyed the twit would be if you completely ignored him as if he were non-existant? Or berated him for transgressing a 'safety zone' your company has declared around their aircraft and he must remove himself from it forthwith until an escort can be arranged. For his own safety, of course... :E

Or just told the w@nker to piss off.

[Dried ears]

Probably been said before, in which case I reiterate, but my old instructor (69 years young, seen it all, done it all) had a similar dressing down from security at a northern airport in front of me and one other student. He asked the security guard what the hell was so important about a high vis jacket that he should come storming over and make such a point here and now and so publicly. The reply was of course that it was for health and safety and so that he could be seen and not run over.

"Well I was over the other side of the airport from you and not wearing my high vis and you f*****g saw me.", said the instructor, embarked the aircraft and closed the door. We, the two students, said nothing. But grinned as loudly as possible.

[Flintstone]

Or berated him for transgressing a 'safety zone'

Yowie wawa!!

That's spooky because a security zone is exactly what I intended to spring on him should he head my way.

[merlinxx]

Suggest you post a requirement in FAB TAG Handling Ops that you have an authorized person only cordon sanitaire around your companies equipment. Thus only those persons so audited and cleared by your company can approach and/or come within the so stated zone. Some time way back in the Carroll's days, we had this in place at FAB. Worth a try without bugging folks, make it an official company security requirement, ask the handling folks you get on with first, good wind up...............

[TurboJ]

I expect every airfield has one !

[CL300]

TurboJ I expect every airfield has one !

On the Island surely, in Europe may be not...;Like the HiVIZ....;)

[Flintstone]

True. The Second World has always tended to lag behind somewhat:)

[south coast]

The Second World is also rather generous with regards a few of the those scoundrels across the water.

We are a blessed nation, they know it, and deep down, we know it....We are the greatest nation on Earth.

And did those feeeeeeeet, in ancient times, walk upon Englands mountains green....

[Flintstone]

Stands to attention. Salutes;)

[LRdriver II]

Yea, They are on some sort of Health'n'Safety blitz... I got "intercepted" by the jobsworths yesterday walking the 50ft from hanger door to my aircraft. Annoyed me no end and really was close to blasting Miss Jobsworth for driving the car so close to the airplane in a hazardous manner.

So if anybody from TAG is reading this, please make this crap stop and lets get back to operating with common sense.

[727 exec]

...any truth in the rumour that some of the long established fellows (boys and girls) from the Black Hangar and Carrolls days are heading for the exit??? Just wouldn't be the same:{:{:{

[Pilotech]

Just that happed to me.

I swear I was less than 2 feet from the aircraft getting bags out of the nose when he 'pounced'.

Lazy sod didn't even get out of his car with the 'important' light flashing away and just yelled out of the window.

Apparantly they were having a 2 week safety clampdown.

If he did it again, I wouldn't be able to ensure his safety!!

[Tequilaboy]

... A little over zealous however it did not stop me spitting out a mouthful of coffee when i saw some woman burst out of the hangar and leg it 50 metres directly across the apron the other day in full business garb without high vis and flag down a car dropping off some passengers. She must have been a lunatic but it is events like that whch probably sparked the clamp down and not checks and chocks to be fair.

[refplus20]

Seems that there is much unhappiness in the old guard at TAG. Methinks the idea of an ex Hotel Manager running an FBO is just too much for these folks. Do these new managers have any idea of what makes a good FBO work? :ugh::ugh:

[merlinxx]

Yup tis not a happy place I understand since Len R left the scene, it'll be a great shame to see this happen, I truly hope it doesn't. Non aviation oriented folks will not serve our industry as those who are will/do. Residents seem to be unhappy over stuff as well.

[pilotbear]

I just wonder why we seem to believe that we can be selective over which rules we follow and which we deem ok to ignore. Is this how we operate our aircraft?
If we have an attitude with them over this they might decide to have security screening for crew like the major internationals do, then we would have something to moan about.:ugh:
Every one is King of their own hill, humour him. He has his job to do as do you ....how hard is that:ok:

[His dudeness]

"I just wonder why we seem to believe that we can be selective over which rules we follow and which we deem ok to ignore"

pilotbear, whilst I agree with what you wanna say, there are rules and there are rules. JUST because some brainwashed idiot (or whoever) decided to have us wear highviz vests, I don´t see the point of being rude and obsessive whilst enforcing this particular rule.

Apparently the guys sees you, so what is the point of the highviz?

Doing a short stop, just unload a pax or two and their bags, I´m too bloody busy to deal with things like that. Got something to do with safety - I don´t need the same blood pressure than my hydraulic system just because that guy is on a mission.

There is a difference to walk across the apron, maybe crossing taxiways and driveways and being just around the aircraft, unloading luggage. Even if the rule says: wear it always.

[refplus20]

There is a difference to walk across the apron, maybe crossing taxiways and driveways and being just around the aircraft, unloading luggage. Even if the rule says: wear it always.
Ah the rule says wear it always, but the new French Hotel management running the aviation show does want Hi Viz worn in the terminal building. :ugh:
What is going on at FAB?
Merde :eek:

[wawel]

I can think of a long established company in the North of England that a Hotel Manager was brought in to run. At present the company is haemorrhaging staff and aircraft no doubt congratulating itself on getting rid of the aviation expertise that was there in the first place.

[chevvron]

Bear in mind the wearing of Hivis jackets is a CAA requirement for ALL airfields not just Farnborough.

[TheOtherSide]

Haemorrhaging staff is a bit of an exaggeration IMHO. The new peeps took that place over two years ago and staff only just leaving! I would just call that turnover.

[Tinstaafl]

Chevvron, I'm not sure about hi-viz being a CAA *requirement* - particularly for *all* airfields. What is your source for this information?

[EI-CGO]

No Aviation Expertise, or No Business Expertise ?

Hmmm, what about all these 'Aviation Expertise' people who get promoted up to run things and it all ends in tears simply because they havent got the ability or skills required to manage a business.

Just because they are from a different background it doesnt mean to say they cannot manage a company and turn around a profit, in the states the industry appears delighted that someone from Kodak with a kanck of turning business's around has been brought in to help run Delta. OK this is at a different level, but its all a bit protectionalist to me.

Tis' ages since I was based at Farnborough and it was always a good place to op from, but I am sure there are those who had a nice easy life, not so now with the sheer volume of business to be grabbed there, a global company like TAG make decisions based on sometimes a bigger picture that those at the coal face do not see. I am sure they made the right decision.

I know I would choose a Business Specialist capable of running any operation rather than someone who simply just had 'Aviation Experience, think there a few folks who may wish to remember that this is 2007, not some old boys club in the fifties !

[wawel]

It would certainly help "The Other Side" if the current "peeps" paid people on time. Some real business expertise there I must say. Perhaps those who have'nt resigned are off sick with stress or nervous exhaustion. By all accounts its enough to drive most to the bottle or parts east.

[Daifly]

The new signs EVERYWHERE at Farnborough:

"Are you wearing hi vis!"

Surely that should be "Are you wearing hi viz?"

Is it not a question rather than an exclamation?

Standards.........!

:sad:

[PA7]

Jobsworth was observed and 'picked up' by ATC for leaving his vehicle on the apron without his high viz on:= what goes around comes around

[Flintstone]

Jobsworth was observed and 'picked up' by ATC for leaving his vehicle on the apron without his high viz on what goes around comes around


:}Bwwwwwaaahahahaha!!!


Payback.

[lancaster52]

This is an extract from a memo circulated at FNB.

"As TAG Farnborough Airport is a unique operation and does not have the normal congestion from ground equipment commonly found at other UK airports we appreciate that there may be occasions when the wearing of high visibility clothing for aircrew might not always be practical; for example when greeting customers at the aircraft steps or when operating in the immediate vicinity of the aircraft. In these situations we would strongly encourage you to wear high visibility clothing but will accept your professional judgment on this matter. However, for all other occasion, i.e walking to and from aircraft and general day to day activities, all personnel without exception are required to wear high visibility clothing whilst airside.".

Does this mean that common-sense is not yet dead.
I suggest we all respond by showing that we are worthy of the trust which this demonstrates. Maybe we might even start a trend and even ATC might trust us one day.

[Flintstone]

ATC might trust us one day.

*picks up phone and dials '666'

"Hello? Is that Hell? Has it frozen over down there? No? Ok."

:E

[LRdriver II]

I fully understand if we are trying to wander across the ramp, but when going from the hangar floor the 50 yards across to your aircraft parked infront of the hangar, I prefer to use common sense. Ie, I will not be wearing said vest and not take any kack from some rentacop security nut doing somebody elses dirty work (besides, I didnt like their agressive driving up to my airplane either..)

Long live common sense!!

[tommoutrie]

I'd like to know because everyone seems to think its a global requirement and I think its just a load of chinese whispers. Some tosser thought of it ages ago and now everyone has got used to it. Is there any evidence that it improves safety? High visibility jackets and ATIS info thats recorded a bit too fast to actually understand the twiddly bit at the end about taxiways being closed and there being a big bloody hole in the apron - those are the two things that are currently getting my goat..

[LTNman]

It’s not that rosy at LTN:ok:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8574/luton95at9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[refplus20]

I was passing through Heathrow this week as SLF and the number of staff, in the terminal, wearing Hi Viz Jackets was just amazing. Why? What the hell reason is there to wear one of these 'fashion items' in a crowded passenger terminal.
Just seen an item on the Beeb about driving tests and there is the examiner sitting in the patient's car wearing a Hi Viz Jacket. Surely the candidate is well aware of the examiner sitting next to them and doesn't need a Hi Viz jacket to remind them.
We've gone Hi Viz crazy in this country!! :ugh::ugh::(:(

[Flintstone]

Could someone tell me what the idea is of having a hi viz on the parcel shelf of your car?

Why do people do this?

[xsbank]

Why do some pilots buy stickers for their cars like "My other car is a C150" or vanity plates saying 'I FLY' or 'NITWIT?'

[pickingupice]

Please define high vis?
where is the law on this?
Hi viz maybe notam'd
but pray tell me what is high viz.
not opinions gents, facts, with ref numbers and pg numbers