View Full Version : Jetliner upper berths

8th May 2007, 15:08
People have claimed that sleeping berths vanished with propliners because jetliners were too fast to need them. However, see Panagra DC-8:

So, here you are. A jetliner with upper sleeping berths!

How do the Panagra upper berths look like when in use? And how do they feel like?

Do any other airlines have upper berths on DC-8 or 707 services?

9th May 2007, 12:05
I hadn't heard of these before.

And the more I look at the picture ..... firstly the length of the berth looks too short to be usable. And secondly, if you extend the geometry and imagine the two berths down in the horizontal position there doesn't seem to be the space left between them to put the ladder up for access (bearing in mind that pax are not as agile as freighter crews going up a rope ladder! ).

Lastly, what would happen if the aircraft got into turbulence ? An aircraft is not like a train (where this concept was standard) and will adopt significant bank angles that pax have to be restrained against.

9th May 2007, 12:19
"An aircraft is not like a train and will adopt significant bank angles that pax have to be restrained against."

I was always taught to fly an aircraft in balance. Has all this changed then?

WHBM Just being pedantic. I know exactly what you mean having experienced CAT myself.

9th May 2007, 15:48
Look at the original Douglas Sleeper Transport for comparison:

Cannot see a ladder. And DST does not fly above weather!

12th May 2007, 19:11
Philippine AL B747-200's had 14 beds upstairs when intro'd in 1979,
so 14 of the 24 FCL pax slept thru' the Karachi stopovers Europe-Manila,
(and Manila-USA). Really was the only way to fly back then. 'ZG